Straha
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Actually, there is a strong argument to be made that African-Americans are a separate nation. They go to separate churches, watch different T.V. shows, live in segregated areas (though less than before), largely intermarry within their own group, speak with a different accent (some say language), go to different universities, listen (to some extent) to different music, and have done these things consistently for hundreds of years. Most nations in the world aren't that old. Although in some ways (integration, borrowing from black music by white youth culture) the distinct nature of African-Americans has lessened in the past 30 years, in others (kwanzaa, TV shows) it has increased. On balance, I think they have successfully maintained a seperate culture. In fact, it may be that black Americans are more distinct from non-black Americans than English-Canadians are. Of course, the seperate nationhood of English-Canadians is debatable (down troll, down). I was certainly not suggesting a successful back-to-Africa movement. African-Americans are a new world people, just as Quebecois or Argentinians are. Back-to-Africa failed in OTL, just as Back-to-Israel has largely failed for American Jews. People don't generally emigrate from the new world (Can anyone think of a successful movement?). Instead, I was suggesting an ATL with a successful separate black homeland on American soil. It's a very tough realistic (non-ASB) ATL to do. I've never seen one on this group.
Just reading over the new Turtledove, and got me thinking about African
Republics in America. I have seen a couple TLs with the
African-Americans either setting up or trying to set up some sort of
African Republics. Examples; The Revolution in the new Turtledove. One
TL on the list, can't remember all, but something like the Civil War
turned into a Vietnam sort thing. The Freed Slaves were used to put
down the Southern Rebels, and later on they Revolted. Another is the
CAS TL, in which the South make a African Homeland in America.
So, what would be the best bet for a UARA? Here are some ideas I have:
1. South wins the Civil War, then makes a homeland for all those freed slaves to live in so they don't bother the whites.
2. Civil War happens much like OTL, but the Radical Republicans make it so the Blacks are permanatly in power. Later on, because most of the Black stay in the South, Civil Rights are not that wide spread. In responce, the South lives the Union again, this time with Black leaders.
3. South wins the Civil War, treats the Blacks terrible, leading them to revolt and set up their own country.
4. USA never is formed. Smaller Southern States and more prone to Slave Revolts, leading to a scattering of African Republics throughout the South.
5. Civil War is completly avoided, and gradual Empacipation is used. The Freed Slaves are given land out west, where they ally with the Indians. In the wars that follow, the alliance of Blacks and Indians forms their own nations.
6. The Civil Rights movement goes violent, leading to a massive attempt by southern governors to put down the blacks. A Civil War within the south is fought, ending with an independent South under African-American rule.
7. The CSA wins the civil war and holds on to slavery until the ealry 20th century. During the great depression the confederacy is taken over in a black " Communist(think a compromise between cuban and swedish socialism)" revolution.
These are just some ideas I have thrown out. Not sure about them. Just
would like to get some responce on this.
Just reading over the new Turtledove, and got me thinking about African
Republics in America. I have seen a couple TLs with the
African-Americans either setting up or trying to set up some sort of
African Republics. Examples; The Revolution in the new Turtledove. One
TL on the list, can't remember all, but something like the Civil War
turned into a Vietnam sort thing. The Freed Slaves were used to put
down the Southern Rebels, and later on they Revolted. Another is the
CAS TL, in which the South make a African Homeland in America.
So, what would be the best bet for a UARA? Here are some ideas I have:
1. South wins the Civil War, then makes a homeland for all those freed slaves to live in so they don't bother the whites.
2. Civil War happens much like OTL, but the Radical Republicans make it so the Blacks are permanatly in power. Later on, because most of the Black stay in the South, Civil Rights are not that wide spread. In responce, the South lives the Union again, this time with Black leaders.
3. South wins the Civil War, treats the Blacks terrible, leading them to revolt and set up their own country.
4. USA never is formed. Smaller Southern States and more prone to Slave Revolts, leading to a scattering of African Republics throughout the South.
5. Civil War is completly avoided, and gradual Empacipation is used. The Freed Slaves are given land out west, where they ally with the Indians. In the wars that follow, the alliance of Blacks and Indians forms their own nations.
6. The Civil Rights movement goes violent, leading to a massive attempt by southern governors to put down the blacks. A Civil War within the south is fought, ending with an independent South under African-American rule.
7. The CSA wins the civil war and holds on to slavery until the ealry 20th century. During the great depression the confederacy is taken over in a black " Communist(think a compromise between cuban and swedish socialism)" revolution.
These are just some ideas I have thrown out. Not sure about them. Just
would like to get some responce on this.