fhaessig said:Who is the french autocrat?
Le Penn is noone known OTL ( it's quite a distinct name from Le Pen ).
Landshark said:Airey Neave and how can half past eight be "this time of night"?
Yellmic Wigwawa said:Is the "Wayne" in the USA Wayne Rooney?
POTUS P.Diffin said:fhaessig: France is under Jean-Marie Le Pen Le Pen, leader of the neo-Fascist Front National since 1972 in OTL. Italy and a host of other nations are ruled by Bettino Craxi, leader of OTL’s Italian Socialist Party from 1983 to 1987. Based on that, the POD must be a 20th century one.
Grey Wolf said:The problem of early twentieth century fascists in France and Spain (and I guess elsewhere too, really) was that they were monarchists. The Orleans family was closely related to one, Carlist supporters made up a large degree of the backbone of the other.
Potentially you could look for a union of the French and Spanish thrones - one branch of the Bourbons claims both thrones.
Grey Wolf
Justin Pickard said:The unification of France and Spain would indicate a recent war between the two. Spain on the side of the Germans in WW1/2?
Ottoman Empire as traditional monarchy - to survive at all would have needed.
So, POD in early twentieth century.
Spanish civil war suceeds.
Russian Revolution doesn't.
Germany wins WW1.
And then MAJOR BUTTERFLY EFFECT??
Justin Pickard said:The existance of OTL politicians would indicate a later POD (20th C?).
China as a multi-party democracy is just weird. China under the control of the British empire at some point?
The Russian Theocracy says no Russian Revolution.
Communist India and Italy - again weird!
Marx (or equivalent) would therefore have had to exist, but not to have had such an impact in Russia. Lenin sticks with Law?
The unification of France and Spain would indicate a recent war between the two. Spain on the side of the Germans in WW1/2?
Ottoman Empire as traditional monarchy - to survive at all would have needed.
So, POD in early twentieth century.
Spanish civil war suceeds.
Russian Revolution doesn't.
Germany wins WW1.
And then MAJOR BUTTERFLY EFFECT??
fhaessig said:German win in WWI is contradicted by the map, as Alsace/Moselle is french.
As for unification of Spain and France because of WWI/II, that's ASB territory. Even Monaco was not incorporated to France after siding with the Nazi in WWII.
Also Common french/Spanish Monarchy requires a Louis XIV PoD.