Wierd map

Tetsu · Sep 11, 2004

Whenever I get writers block on a TL, I make wierd maps. This one, I think, is one of my stranger ones. This is the world around 1950. Can anyone think of a good TL to go along with this map?

Jer8m8 · Sep 11, 2004

Hmmm...maybe China democratic earlier, say after opium wars, a parliament is established...Russia still wind war against them, but at greater cost. An orthodox revolution takes place before Marx, and strengthens the country internally. WW1 greatly weakens west, allowing communism to spring up. Monarchs of the old empires kept, and somehow no Hitler. No decolonization at this point.

Ace Venom · Sep 12, 2004

By the looks of things, the Allies lost WWI. The post-war depression saw the rise of communist rule in France and the USA. Germany would have tried to keep the reds out of France since they helped crush the Bolsheviks in Russia. As a result, an Orthodox theocracy resulted in Russia. Norway and Sweden were united sometime after the war.

Germany looks like it set up satellite states in Poland and the Baltic States. Finland was granted independence, but fell into the British orbit and kept from being absorbed by German interests.

The Benelux looks like it got hit by the full might of the original Schlieffen Plan. Luxembourg was absorbed by Germany. Germany also set up an independent Walloon kingdom. The Netherlands, Flanders and Wallonia are German satellite states.

Italy goes fascist on schedule. Hardly any changes there.

Austria-Hungary seems to have broken up. Italy grabbed its territorial claims on Tyrol and Istria. Austria seems to be a satellite of Germany. Czechoslovakia and Hungary are outside the German orbit, but have friendly relations with Berlin.

Serbia, due to the breakup of Austria-Hungary, seized its territorial claims on Bosnia, Croatia, Slovenia and Montenegro.

All I feel like coming up with at this point.

carlton_bach · Sep 12, 2004

Heh, Marx was right! He predicted that the Socialist revolution would begin in the most industrially advanced countries while its enemies would be in ther most backwards ones. Obviously, Britain is a fluke, but Engels always said Englad was hard to call

Jer8m8 · Sep 12, 2004

Ace Venom said:
By the looks of things, the Allies lost WWI.

Donsidering the breakup of the Ottomans and Austria-Hungary, I think the allies had a narrow victory after a long war.

Grey Wolf · Sep 12, 2004

Jer8m8 said:
Donsidering the breakup of the Ottomans and Austria-Hungary, I think the allies had a narrow victory after a long war.

A negotiated peace of some sort, perhaps after a French collapse, hence no retro-cession of Alsace-Lorraine, but explaining how Germany has lost S W Afrika to the Union of South Africa

btw when did Bolivia lose its Pacific coast in OTL ?

Grey Wolf

Grey Wolf · Sep 12, 2004

Answering my own question, as usual

The landlocked South American nation lost 180 miles on the Pacific Ocean that Chile seized in the 1879-83 War of the Pacific.

Grey Wolf

Gladi · Sep 12, 2004

tetsu-katana said:

Ugh, this is really weird.
1) Hungary looks to me post-Triannonish, from what I see we have Ruthenia, Serbs Vojvodina and it looks like Romania have Transylvania (as wel as Besarabia?).
2) Turkey is monarchistic withou loss of Ionia and Cyprus belongs to it- maybe because Greece is unpopulated wastelend???
3) South America- well Grey wolf already said Bolivia, Equador seeems to be bigger too.
4) South Africans (or are they Oranje this dimension) ate Namibia, which is big bigger but result is only suprising because of colonialism.
5)India is still together- but why does it have part of Myanmar?
6)speaking of Myanmar, rest of it is merged with Laos, Thailand and continental part of Malaysia.
7 without Malaysia Borneo is one state(colony)
8) Japs have Sachalin.
9) Tibet indpendant, but Uighir are in.
10) German Reich
11) As said Scandinavia.

weird, weird, weird

Tetsu · Sep 12, 2004

I messed up on Greece. Both Greece and Iceland are supposed to be 'limited democracies'.

swamphen · Sep 12, 2004

Is Bhutan purple or red?

Tetsu · Sep 12, 2004

Purple. Bhutan's a monarchy.

Grey Wolf · Sep 12, 2004

Well I can understand Burma (Myanmar) being part of India as it was, during the later Raj.

Some of these limited democracies could be home rule nations - would make sense for Iceland and Ireland, for example

Grey Wolf

Doctor What · Sep 12, 2004

Hmmm...how did the Soviets become a theocracy? And what kind--there's different kinds--there's caesaro-papism, in which power is shared between a secular ruler (an emperor) and a religious leader (a pope). There's the kind where it's exercised directly by the clergy (as in Iran) or indirectly (such as via the divine right of kings).

Gedca · Sep 13, 2004

Doctor What said:
Hmmm...how did the Soviets become a theocracy? And what kind--there's different kinds--there's caesaro-papism, in which power is shared between a secular ruler (an emperor) and a religious leader (a pope). There's the kind where it's exercised directly by the clergy (as in Iran) or indirectly (such as via the divine right of kings).

Perhaps a religous uprising against the Soviets suceeds.

Grey Wolf · Sep 13, 2004

Gedca said:
Perhaps a religous uprising against the Soviets suceeds.

Hmm, well looking at the map I would say that the Reds actually failed, and instead some sort of religiously-motivated dictator got into power instead

Grey Wolf

WngMasterD · Sep 13, 2004

WOuld the US allow Libreria to turn communist?

Condottiero · Sep 13, 2004

WngMasterD said:
WOuld the US allow Libreria to turn communist?

The US seem to be communist too...

fortyseven · Sep 13, 2004

There's the kind where it's exercised directly by the clergy (as in Iran) or indirectly (such as via the divine right of kings).

There's also a theocratic monarchy. Like the Pharoahs.

Tetsu · Sep 13, 2004

Russia is ruled directly by the clergy. Certain "limited democracies" are actually Dominions of the British Empire. (And by the way, about Bolivia's Pacific coast, the POD is not that far back. The South American fascists may have just gotten it back...)

Grey Wolf · Sep 13, 2004

tetsu-katana said:
Russia is ruled directly by the clergy. Certain "limited democracies" are actually Dominions of the British Empire. (And by the way, about Bolivia's Pacific coast, the POD is not that far back. The South American fascists may have just gotten it back...)

Well, thats certainly true - I got the information from a 2004 site about the current crisis in Bolivia and how the political body there still wants its coastline back

If Bolivia fights Chile, one would expect Argentina to do so too, probably over Tierra del Fuego

Grey Wolf