Outward-looking USA (No Napoleonic Wars)

Grey Wolf

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Outward-looking USA (No Napoleonic Wars)

Basic POD
No Napoleonic Wars
Louisiana remains French
Central, South America and Florida remain Spanish

Caribbean
- Spanish, British, French, Dutch, Danish, Swedish

Haiti ? Not sure

POD maybe Marengo 1796
- Napoleon, Desaix etc are dead
European powers defeat France
French Restoration

Now, at this time the USA is bounded by the Mississippi in the West
This still leaves plenty to do
Lots of Indians in that area
Lots of areas awaiting settlement

By early-mid 19th century there are a couple of choices
- war with France or Britain or Spain
- look outward

What would it take to get this USA heavily involved in Africa ?

Grey Wolf
 
Liberia, instead of becoming an independent nation, is made into a Territory of the United States, thus giving the US a foothold into Africa, and later the claim to be expanded?
 
A thought just occured to me.

The US bans the slave trade. Now, if we have territories in Africa, could we still theoretically capture natives, enslave them, and then ship them back to the US, and still follow the letter of the law? After all, buying and selling slaves in the US was legal, so it would be no different than selling a Virginian slave to someone in North Carolina.
 

Straha

Banned
DominusNovus said:
A thought just occured to me.

The US bans the slave trade. Now, if we have territories in Africa, could we still theoretically capture natives, enslave them, and then ship them back to the US, and still follow the letter of the law? After all, buying and selling slaves in the US was legal, so it would be no different than selling a Virginian slave to someone in North Carolina.
ugh now that leads to dystopic possiblities.
 

Faeelin

Banned
Grey Wolf said:
Outward-looking USA (No Napoleonic Wars)

No Napoleonic Wars
Louisiana remains French

What you obviously meant, of course, is that it remains Spanish. Although I don't see why; I'd certainly bet on the US in a war with Spain, of all people, in 1805. Hell, the Spanish administrators in the 1790's were betting on the US.

Central, South America and Florida remain Spanish

Err, why?

POD maybe Marengo 1796
- Napoleon, Desaix etc are dead
European powers defeat France
French Restoration

I don't see what happened to massena, Hoche, etc. They weren't all at Marengo.

Now, at this time the USA is bounded by the Mississippi in the West
This still leaves plenty to do
Lots of Indians in that area

Supplied by the damn royalist Spanish. And British. Ooh, Andrew Jackson leading a Prussian america against the royalists? (We've seen it before, but it's still cool).

By early-mid 19th century there are a couple of choices
- war with France or Britain or Spain
- look outward

Isn't war with european powers implicitly involving looking outward?
 
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