Favorite timelines

What are some of your favorite AH timelines? What do you like about them? Do you find them especially interesting, especially plausible, or very well-thought out?

A few of mine from outside this discussion board ...

- "Tripartite Alliance Earth" - From the "Alternate History Travel Guides" - a world where the US severely restricted immigration during most of the 19th and 20th centuries, and had slower economic growth. Meanwhile, South American countries, especially Brazil, received more immigrants and became major economic powers in the 20th century. In the 1960s and 70s, the US fell increasingly under the control of fiercely nationalist, dictatorial leaders, who instituted a police state and turned to an aggressive foreign policy. Rising opposition at home and war abroad culminated in a nuclear war in 1982 that left much of North America and Asia devastated. For more than 10 years, civil war was fought in what was left of the USA before the surviving elements of the nationalist dictatorship were finally defeated.

- "Monarchy World", by Tony Jones - A world where a forward-thinking Manchu Emperor started adopting European technology in the early 18th century, making China a serious competitor with European powers by the later 18th century. By the late 20th century, the world is dominated by the British, Russian, and Chinese Empires, all of which are constitutional monarchies, but are also very conservative and militaristic. Military technology and space travel are more advanced than OTL, but many non-military technologies are less advanced.

- "Modified" Draka Timeline, by Pete Karsanow (I think that's how it's spelled) - A more realistic variation on S. M. Stirling's well-known Draka timeline, in which the Draka successfully revolt against Britain in the mid-19th century when the British Empire ends slavery. The Draka go on to seize northern and western Africa from the British, who controlled it previously, and then most of the Ottoman Empire. In the Eurasian War, they are able to seize parts of the Russia, the Balkans, and Central Asia, but Europe is dominated by Germany (which alternately fought and allied with the Draka). The British fight against the Draka, but then make peace so that they can confront Japan. The US remains neutral, while the greatest loser is Russia, which is partitioned between the Draka, Germany, and Japan.

- "Atomic Alliance" by Ian Montgomery - The newly independent US sees more internal violence than OTL, and Hamilton and the ultra-Federalists rise to power and crush the opposition. Under their influence, a much stronger central government is set up with a President elected for life. The US develops a larger standing military, and goes on imperial adventures much earlier, seizing most of Mexico and Japan in the 1840s - 1860s. Slavery is gradually ended with no fighting in the later 19th century, but blacks and Mexicans form a largely despised underclass used for the the lowest-paid labor while immigration from outside the US is sharply restricted. In WWI, the US allies with Russia and Germany against Britain, France, Austria-Hungary, Italy, the Ottoman Empire, and others. The US-Russia-Germany alliance is defeated, Japan is freed from US control, and all 3 defeated countries get more liberal governments. Ultranationalists take power in both the US and Russia during the 1930s, and at the same time China is united under a strong authoritarian regime. The new Triple Alliance of China, Russia, and the USA all make massive military buildups, but Britain, France, and the British Commonwealth start a joint program in the late 30s that develops an atomic bomb by 1943. When Russia invades the Ukraine and Germany and China invades Japan in spite of warning about the new bomb, the Anglo-French alliance nukes a couple of cities in each country. The US was about to invade Canada again, but called it off when they saw what happened to Russia and China. Although thwarted, the nationalist regimes are still in power in all 3 countries, and a long Cold War follows as the Triple Alliance countries get their own nuclear weapons.
 
The worlds in the GURPS AE books, except Gernsback and maybe Ezcalli, which I find too ASBish for my taste.
 

Diamond

Banned
I like Ian's Unification and Atomic Alliance TLs.

I'm not sure where I saw it (Alternate History Travel Guides, maybe?), but I loved the USSA timeline with a communist takeover in the US in the 30s resulting from a long, nightmarish US occupation of Mexico during and after WWI. There's a second ACW; the losers, led by MacArthur, flee to Alaska where he installs himself as President of the US-in-Exile For Life.

Then there was a TL titled, 'Out of One, Many' (don't remember the author), where after the ARW, the US split into many competing and warring nations. He never finished it though; IIRC, it only went through 1900 or so.

I really enjoyed Grey Wolf's AFOE too... wish he'd finish it...

In GURPS AE, I enjoyed just about all of them; many weren't strictly plausible by the stringent standards of this board's members, :) but they were very imaginative and fun to read. Not to mention being a great source of inspiration on choosing a POD, and how to lay out your own TL.

I think the prize for most exhaustively-well-thought-out TL has to go to Sobel's FWOAN. If you didn't know better (and know history better), you'd swear you were reading an actual textbook.
 
Tripartite Alliance Earth über alles, obviously.
I've even tried to involve Randy here, but I think he's too busy with other projects. A pity, we need one like him.

And then, MINE monster timeline which is slowly crawling to completion (not before Easter in the best case, I'm working on Italy's history and that's a headache, given it's one of the most divergent subsystems/countries in the whole TL).
By the way, in my TL's 1579, after the First War of Independence aginst Spain, my Italy is so composed:
- Savoy (Savoy, Turin, Aosta, Nice, parts of central Piedmont) under Duke Emanuele Filiberto (anti-Spanish);
- The Republic of Genoa (allied to Spain), enlarged with Asti, Casale and Alessandria (low Piedmont, parts of Langhe and Monferrato)
-The Dukedom of Milan under the Del Seprio family (direct descendants of the counts of Seprio), anti-Spanish, with eastern Piedmont (Vercelli, Novara), Milano, Como, Lodi, Pavia
- Venice (formerly anti-Spanish, then passed to neutrality), with all of Veneto and eastern Lombardy (Bergamo, Brescia)
- The Principate of Ladinia (a vast Alpine stretch from Sankt Gall to Gorizia, closely related by dinastic marriages with the HRE)
- The Farnese Dukedom of Piacenza (Spanish stronghold) with Piacenza, Parma, Cremona and the Oltrepò Pavese
- The Canossa Principate (anti-Spanish, under the direct descendants of Attone of Canossa) with central Emilia (Mantua, Reggio Emilia) and all of Tuscany
- The Este Dukedom (Ferrara and Modena, closely related dinastically to the Canossa for centuries)
- The Papal States (formally neutral but strictly occupied by Spain), with Romagna (Bologna, Ravenna), northern Marche (Pesaro, Ancona), Umbria (Perugia), Lazio (Rome, Viterbo)
- The Dukedom of Urbino, a statelet under the Della Rovere dynasty, powerless and almost completely surrounded by the Papal States
- The Principate of Abruzzo under the Sforza family, with southern Marche (Macerata, Fermo, Ascoli) and northern and inner Abruzzo (Teramo, Pescara, L'Aquila, Avezzano)
- Direct Spanish possessions: the Kingdom of Naples with all the continental Italian South and southern Abruzzo plus Sardinia and Sicily
 
Let's see...

On Google SWIH (dunno how it's spelled)

1) Empty America, by David Hoff

2) Decades of Darkness

3) 2002 USA ISOT 1941

4) One where Korean keeps it's turtle ships and sack Japan (something involving dragons in the title...)

On the Web...

1) Eastern African Republic, by David Hoff [on his website]

2) Mosaic Earth (yeah.....well....)

3) That TL where Constans gains the throne in the Byzantium Civil War and nearly everyone in that region has steam propelled engines {on the old board- can't remember the name}

[i would add the one that is currently running in the writer's forum but i'm part of it so, a bias of opinion would occur.]
 

Faeelin

Banned
I don't like decades of darkness, with its slave america from pennsylvania to the falklands and its wilhelmine germany after a successful 1849, but that's me.

I liked spinola in turkey and east meets west.
 
"3) That TL where Constans gains the throne in the Byzantium Civil War and nearly everyone in that region has steam propelled engines {on the old board- can't remember the name}"

"A Light in the East," primarily by Rafi Issagholian. He's turning it into a novel. Any updates, Rafi?
 
Ian's Atomic League

The Irish Empire, which basically has a Romanised Ireland replacing Britain as the world's foremost imperial power.

Mosaic Earth.

Grey Wolf's Tsar Michael the Great (though it'd be even better if Britain, Russia and Sweden won in the end ;) )

There are probably a few others but I'm away from my own computer at the moment so I can't check what I've got saved and what I haven't.
 
Picking a favourite TL is like asking Jacob to choose his favourite son... could be done, but it risks upsetting everyone else. That said, here are my picks:

"For Want of a Nail" has to get the award for most detailed, well-thought out timeline.

"For All Time" for sheer dystopic pleasure.

"Empty America" for just the most entertaining POD and aftermath (Vikings riding mammoths is just such a nifty concept).

"Prince of Peace" for the most intriguing take on the Crusader era, which is just one of my favourite historical periods.
 

Grey Wolf

Donor
Diamond said:
I really enjoyed Grey Wolf's AFOE too... wish he'd finish it...

Oh, I will finish it. Its gonna take longer than I initially planned when I countenanced resumption, and I will probably do it by posting it at AHF and ironing out the problems by a consensus discussion. I should probably be able to start reposting it by April - the idea would be for discussion with the membership there, then to archive all the discussions afterwards into a password protected forum.

Landshark said:
Grey Wolf's Tsar Michael the Great (though it'd be even better if Britain, Russia and Sweden won in the end ;) )

At least you didn't say if I ever finished it :) Regarding the end, changing it would remove the pathos, and deny me one of my favourite pieces of writing (the prologue). btw do you HAVE any of these story posts from 2001 ? I seem to be missing some (see AHF for details) and attempts to recreate some from notebooks are only partially successful as I cannot remember what to fill in the blanks with !

Best Regards
Grey Wolf
 
Grey Wolf said:
At least you didn't say if I ever finished it :) Regarding the end, changing it would remove the pathos, and deny me one of my favourite pieces of writing (the prologue). btw do you HAVE any of these story posts from 2001 ? I seem to be missing some (see AHF for details) and attempts to recreate some from notebooks are only partially successful as I cannot remember what to fill in the blanks with !

Best Regards
Grey Wolf

Erm... well saying that it wasn't actually finished would have been, er well, stating the obvious around here.

Moving quickly on.

I do have some of TMtG on file somewhere but I'm not sure what. Someone at Warships1 emailed me a big chunk of stuff back in 2001 but I'm not sure if it only covers the prologue/technical stuff, the history of the Russo/Japanese War, the history of the automobile and aviation industries and someone's very unpleasant visit to France just after the socialist revolution. The only story piece I'm sure I have is the air attack on the German fleet. I'll try and see what else I got though.
 

Faeelin

Banned
Kaiser Wilhelm III said:
"Prince of Peace" for the most intriguing take on the Crusader era, which is just one of my favourite historical periods.

Ah, wait til you see what happens after 1220. Thanks for the compliment though.

When I said I disliked Decades of Darkness, I meant because I simply don't like dystopias and view the USA as draka.

My view will change if the 3rd superpower you won't mention is based on the British remants in India and Australia and Africa.
 
Faeelin said:
Ah, wait til you see what happens after 1220. Thanks for the compliment though.

When I said I disliked Decades of Darkness, I meant because I simply don't like dystopias and view the USA as draka.

My view will change if the 3rd superpower you won't mention is based on the British remants in India and Australia and Africa.

The Canadian-New England juggurnaut will stride accross the world like a titan! ;)

Personally, I think that the third superpower is either Russia or Australia. We've seen a lot of historical sources coming out of both countries, implying that they're healthy enough economically to support respected academic institutions.
 
Faeelin said:
Ah, wait til you see what happens after 1220. Thanks for the compliment though.

When I said I disliked Decades of Darkness, I meant because I simply don't like dystopias and view the USA as draka.

My view will change if the 3rd superpower you won't mention is based on the British remants in India and Australia and Africa.

Ah, well, a large part of the original inspiration for this TL came from a challenge on shwi to come up with plausible *Draka... which more or less involves the USA, since it's the only country which has the potential. So yeah, there is a certain similarity between the DoD USA and the Draka, but only insofar as they are both expansionistic and slaveholding. Beyond that, there are signficant differences.

That said, DoD is most definitely not a "worst of all words" dystopia. Some parts of the world will be worse off, definitely, but some parts will be better than in OTL, too. And I'm of the view that slaveholding societies like that depicted in DoD USA (hmm, should I call this Dodusa from now on?) are inherently unstable in the long-term. They may survive and even thrive in the short-term, but over the course of, say, a century and a half (up until 2000, in other words), they would need to reform to survive. Particularly if they are competing against "free" countries.

As to the third superpower... that will be revealed soon, I promise.

Cheers,
Kaiser Wilhelm III
 
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