The JFK assassination and butterflies

raharris1973

Gone Fishin'
JFK's assasination seems like a pretty historically delicate event, perpetrated by a lone nut at the right place and time. Is it inappropriate to posit JFK's assassination would be unchanged in any scenario with a PoD more than a couple weeks before Dallas, simply because of butterflies?

For instance, any significant alterations in US-Soviet relations, Cuban issues or Indochina, as well as all sorts of domestic issues taking place from 1961 to 1963 are likely to knock Kennedy and Oswald's personal schedules off track enough so that the former would not have been assassinated.

If you accept this premise, and I'm open to hearing counter-arguments, it actually makes having a President Lyndon Johnson a real challenge. It also means that in scenarios where you pick an alternate veep for JFK - I've seen Scoop Jackson and Al Gore the Elder mentioned - you are more plausibly going to end up with a Kennedy lives timeline instead of a "stand in for Jonson" timeline.

Also, it makes it very difficult to construct a "how would the Great Society done without Vietnam" scenario, because changes preventing escalation of the Vietnam war in the the 40s, 50 or 60s are going to conspire against the Johnson succession occurring, if they haven't already derailed a Kennedy administration in the first place.

the few years after Kennedy's assassination seem pretty poor in terms of plausible what-ifs because so many policy expectations had been set, in at least vague terms, for Vietnam, civil rights and other domestic reforms. To make major what-ifs happen in that timeframe would require most PoDs to occur outside the US.

Thoughts?
 

Xen

Banned
Just have the secret service ride along with Kennedy on the open top vehicle, a couple of them get killed but the President lives.

-or-

Kennedy isnt wearing a harness to keep him propped up. When the first shot hits Kennedy falls over and is no longer in harms way. Ironically he wore the harness to keep him from hurting, it kept him from slumping over after the first shot and allowed the assassin to get a second shot, a fatal shot.

Now a fair warning you are going to have people say Kennedy was so drugged up he wouldnt have been effective. However on the History Channel special on him I watched a few days ago, he was apparently taken off of the medication they are referring to or given smaller doses. His health was returning and he had more energy in the summer of 1963 than he did in years. Of course his cholestreol (sp?) was very high, another 10 years and he probably would have died with a massive heart attack.
 

raharris1973

Gone Fishin'
Having him live is the easy part

Certainly so, there are multiple available PoDs to prevent the JFK
assassination. My point was it would be hard to STILL have it happen
in a scenario with a PoD where any world events change before JFK's
motorcade ride was scheduled.
 
Well there's always the Red Dwarf ATL...

Where he's impeached for adultery and a mafia controlled president replaces him. With organised crime basically running the country, the US is wrapped up in internal problems allowing the Soviet Union to be come ever stronger.

Kennedy then gets sent back in time and becomes the gunman on the grassy knoll, killing himself for the sake of his country and his reputation as a liberal icon.
 

Xen

Banned
Flocculencio said:
Where he's impeached for adultery and a mafia controlled president replaces him. With organised crime basically running the country, the US is wrapped up in internal problems allowing the Soviet Union to be come ever stronger.

Adultery is not an impeachable offense, not in the 1960s anyway. It would have likely been a huge scandal had JFK had lived though, probably somewhere around the size of Clinton and Lewinksy scandal.

Though the concept of JFK shooting himself is a strange one.
 
Presenting yourself as good family man while sharing your latest bimbo with members of the Giancana crime family? Don't think that would have gone over too well. And as for his 'medication' from Dr Feelgood, talk about a landmine waiting to be stepped on. Now, in 1968 that last might have enhanced his popularity! :D
 
Hey, all you have to do is have the illuminati decide not to kill JFK, and order badge man not to fire! ;)

(sorry, I just had to)
 
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