An Alternative History of the United States

1776 CE: For a variety of complex reasons, the southern colonies decide to opt out of revolting. Despite this, George Washington still fights on the American side. He commands an attack into Canada, which ends up succeeding, capturing Quebec and Montreal.
1777 CE: A British attempt at a sea borne attack on New England fails horribly. The Americans allow the British to land, then wait for them to camp for the night. They then creep up and kill the sentries, quietly sneaking into the British camp. The British soldiers wake to see muskets pointed in their faces. It is a complete debacle for the British. More than 16,000 soldiers are marched off as POWs, and Britain’s enemies (France, Spain, the Netherlands) enter the war on the American side.
1778 CE: Two British attempts to invade the middle colonies from the south fail. The first fails when the British, frightened after what happened at Long Island, cannot get any sleep. Come morning, they are groggy and uncoordinated, and cannot fight. They are routed by a much smaller American force. The next one fails when the British, frightened after what has happened at the Battle of the Potomac, drink too much tea and coffee, and not only do not sleep, but get themselves really screwed up. Come morning, they are so jittery, many cannot hold their weapons, let alone load or fire them. Because they are in such a condition, when their officers begin barking orders at them, the hyper-aroused British soldiers explode. The well rested Americans attack this force as well. It is another bloody rout for the British.
1779 CE: Peace talks begin between Britain and the United States. Large numbers of Patriots flee from the British held south into the American held north.
1780 CE: The Treaty of Paris is signed. The United States is granted part of Virginia, the Middle Colonies, the New England colonies, and all of Upper and Lower Canada, including the Maritime Provinces. In the west, it is given all the land east of the Mississippi river that isn’t part of the new Dominion of Carolina, as the British controlled South, corresponding roughly to Virginia, North and South Carolina, Georgia, Alabama, and Mississippi.
1781-1786 CE: Nothing very much happens during this period. It becomes clear that the Articles of Confederation are woefully inadequate, however.
1787 CE: The Constitutional Convention is held in Philadelphia. It agrees on a constitution and a Bill of Rights.
1788 CE: Since the Revolutionary War was significantly shorter and more successful for the Americans, the debt, which is much less, has been completely paid off by this time.
1789 CE: An eventful year. George Washington becomes the first President, the US Capital officially becomes New York, as work on a new governmental complex begins. The Constitution and the Bill of Rights are made official, and several governmental agencies are formed. In Europe, the French Revolution occurs, sweeping King Louis out of office.
1790 CE: A group known as the Society of Friends petitions Congress for the abolition of slavery. Since there are practically no slave owners in the United States, and since slavery has practically no role in the United States’ economy, Congress moves to abolish slavery in the Union. At this point, there are ten states (Massachusetts, New York, Rhode Island, Connecticut, Pennsylvania, Maryland, Delaware, New Hampshire, Virginia, New Jersey) and seven territories (Ontario Territory, Quebec Territory, Newfoundland Territory, Maine Territory, Vermont Territory, Northwest Territory) in the Union.
1791 CE: Ontario, Quebec, and Newfoundland gain statehood. Ontario covers all of the former British province of Upper Canada, Quebec covers all of Lower Canada, and Newfoundland is a large chunk on the Atlantic coast of Lower Canada. Maine and the territory south of the St. Lawrence become part of Massachusetts.
1792 CE: The United States Postal Service is established, the United States Mint is established, Kentucky is admitted as a state, and construction on the Executive Mansion, otherwise known as the White House, is begun in New York. Elsewhere in the world, the French monarchy is abolished and France begins a war with the Habsburgs of Austria. France’s situation turns around after the Battle of Valmy, and it begins to hold its own in many areas.
1793 CE: In Europe, France goes to war with Britain, Spain, and the Netherlands, and in France, the Reign of Terror begins. In North America, the cotton gin is invented in the United States by Eli Whitney. The invention soon spreads south before Whitney can get a patent, not that it matters. Most cotton production is in the Dominion of Carolina, anyway. In the United States, the Industrial Revolution dawns with the establishment of a cotton mill in New Jersey.
1794 CE: In Europe, the Reign of Terror ends when Maximilien Robespierre is guillotined in front of a cheering crowd. The United States suppresses Shay’s Rebellion and wins at Fallen Timbers, starting a steady westwards expansion that will not let up for more than a hundred years.
1795 CE: The Eleventh Amendment is passed. In Europe, Napoleon Bonaparte begins his rise to power. More cotton mills are established in the United States.
1796 CE: Tennessee is admitted as a state in the United States. Cleveland gets its name. John Adams wins an election. The wars in France continue. In China, a new emperor ascends to the throne…
1797 CE: The United States successfully fights a war against the Barbary corsairs in North Africa. John Adams becomes President. France acquires Venice and continues to rise.
1798 CE: The Aliens and Sedition Act is defeated. Napoleon conquers Egypt after winning the Battle of the Nile after Lord Nelson is killed in a freak accident. At this point, there are lots of textile mills in the US, and many people are moving to the new factory towns.
1799 CE: Napoleon manages to take control of Palestine and secures Egypt. The American System of mass manufacturing is invented and is applied to armaments production, and later, to machinery.
1800 CE: Napoleon invades Italy. John Adams moves into the White House in New York.
1801 CE: Great Britain and Ireland merge. Thomas Jefferson becomes President and John Adams Vice President after a tie. Jacquard loom developed.
1802 CE: West Point established. Napoleon becomes Consul for Life.
1803 CE: The United States purchases the Louisiana Territory from France. The United States acquires 2,144,476 square kilometers of land for $15,000,000, at $6.99 a square kilometer. (Note that the United States is using the metric system at this point.) Ohio is admitted as a state.
1804 CE: Twelfth Amendment defeated. United States practices direct election of the President. First locomotive built in England. Louis and Clark begin their expedition. Napoleon Bonaparte becomes Emperor of All the French.
1805 CE: Michigan Territory created. United States attacks Tripoli, wins. France begins attempted invasion of Great Britain. France overwhelms British fleet, lands force of 350,000 French soldiers in Southern England. British manage to survive as nation, but are forced to concede French dominance of the European mainland. Britain sells an area corresponding to the OTL state of Louisiana to the United States for $2,000,000.
1806 CE: English acquire Cape Colony. France annexes most of Europe, begins war against Ottoman Empire. At this point, the United States has expanded into the Canadian Prairies, as no one has really claimed them except for the natives, who are pushed aside easily enough.

On the map, blue is the United States, red is the British, yellow is Spanish. There is no French territory because, as I have said, they sold it to the United States.

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:confused: :confused: :eek: France lands 350,000 troops into England?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! What the?! I'm not going to comment on that...otherwise, I do like the beginning of the timeline. Also, your Napoleonic War is very implausable. I don't see France just conquering Europe and then starting to move on the Ottoman EMpire.
 
Do you know how many ships it would take to land 350,000 troops onto English soil? Thousands. I'm sorry but I don't think the invasion of southern England is really going to work that easily. Or at all, for that matter.
 
I had feeling thats where you got the info. Wikipedia isn't written by professional writers, but I'll take their word for it. Even if it was planned, I don't believe they could ever pull that off. But hey, whatever. It's a pretty good timeline. Will you continue it?
 
1790 CE: A group known as the Society of Friends petitions Congress for the abolition of slavery. Since there are practically no slave owners in the United States, and since slavery has practically no role in the United States’ economy,

Except for NYC being the largest Slave holding City in the US, Except for the Large Tobacco Platations in Marysland & Delaware [Route One south of DC was called Tobacco Road, Well into the Twenty century], Except for the Large Number of Serfs in New York State.



1787 CE: The Constitutional Convention is held in Philadelphia. It agrees on a constitution and a Bill of Rights.
1795 CE: The Eleventh Amendment is passed.

Eight Years and already eleven Admentments. ?Wonder what they Are? as the Bill of Rites is a article of the Consitution,?



1804 CE: Twelfth Amendment defeated. United States practices direct election of the President.

If you are Refering to OTL's Twelfth Amendment. It had nothing to do with direct Election, It simply allowed the President, & VP to belong to the Same Party , instead of the VP being the Runner up in the Electoral Congress.

and construction on the Executive Mansion, otherwise known as the White House,

The term White House Comes from the White Wash used to cover the Burn signs following the destrustion of DC in the War of 1812.

1803 CE: The United States purchases the Louisiana Territory from France.
1805 CE: Britain sells an area corresponding to the OTL state of Louisiana to the United States for $2,000,000.

?How did GB get procession of South Louisina Territory?, and if they Conquered it ?Why would they turn around and sell it.?

Map - Florida was a British procession, in 1776, ?How did Spain get it Back if the Southern states didn't join the Rebellion.? It is also very unlikely that Virginia would split It included WV and Kentuckcy, YourBlue 'W Virginia' should be Red, as well as Kentuckcy, Which means Carolina has no reason to give up it's western Claims, paint Tennesee Red Also.
 
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1776 CE: For a variety of complex reasons, the southern colonies decide to opt out of revolting.

Like what? Virginia was more revolutionary than, say, New York. And without the south, why use a southern General?

1777 CE: A British attempt at a sea borne attack on New England fails horribly. The Americans allow the British to land, then wait for them to camp for the night. They then creep up and kill the sentries, quietly sneaking into the British camp. The British soldiers wake to see muskets pointed in their faces. It is a complete debacle for the British. More than 16,000 soldiers are marched off as POWs, and Britain’s enemies (France, Spain, the Netherlands) enter the war on the American side.

What's happened to the Continentals, to make them into 18th century commandoes?

1780 CE: The Treaty of Paris is signed. The United States is granted part of Virginia, the Middle Colonies, the New England colonies, and all of Upper and Lower Canada, including the Maritime Provinces. In the west, it is given all the land east of the Mississippi river that isn’t part of the new Dominion of Carolina, as the British controlled South, corresponding roughly to Virginia, North and South Carolina, Georgia, Alabama, and Mississippi.

What happens at the Grand Banks Fishery, and on the Mississsippi?


1798 CE: The Aliens and Sedition Act is defeated. Napoleon conquers Egypt after winning the Battle of the Nile after Lord Nelson is killed in a freak accident. At this point, there are lots of textile mills in the US, and many people are moving to the new factory towns.

Why is it defeated, and why, without the south, does the XYZ affair flare up into open warfare.

1802 CE: West Point established. Napoleon becomes Consul for Life.
1803 CE: The United States purchases the Louisiana Territory from France. The United States acquires 2,144,476 square kilometers of land for $15,000,000, at $6.99 a square kilometer. (Note that the United States is using the metric system at this point.) Ohio is admitted as a state.

Why the hell would the US adopt a revolutionary system designed by the French? How does the presidsent enforce this?

1805 CE: Michigan Territory created. United States attacks Tripoli, wins. France begins attempted invasion of Great Britain. France overwhelms British fleet, lands force of 350,000 French soldiers in Southern England. British manage to survive as nation, but are forced to concede French dominance of the European mainland. Britain sells an area corresponding to the OTL state of Louisiana to the United States for $2,000,000.

Hmm. I'm not in the camp that holds that Nelson was a demigod on Earth, capable of sinking French ships by passing wind in their direction, but what caused this? And why isn't Britain losing its mercantile empire?

1806 CE: English acquire Cape Colony. France annexes most of Europe, begins war against Ottoman Empire. At this point, the United States has expanded into the Canadian Prairies, as no one has really claimed them except for the natives, who are pushed aside easily enough.

Why the prairies, and why so soon?

On the map, blue is the United States, red is the British, yellow is Spanish. There is no French territory because, as I have said, they sold it to the United States.

Ah, but are you familiar with the Ogre's plans after he defeated Britain?
 
IIRC Nova Scotia was the First Colony to pass a Declaration of Indepenence in 1774,* This was Followed by Several Virginia Counties Passing their own Declarations in early 1775 [ speed of Communications]

*massive British occupation stopped it from going anywhere.
 
A Few issues others have not mentioned.

You said Virginia was split. A sensible split would be between north and south Virgina, not east and West.

Slavery would probably be peacably outlawed from the United States in this TL, but for god's sake, not so early! More like the 1820's-1830's.

Your map is all messed up. Excluding Florida and several carribean isles actually being british, there are more issues. The U.S would not have expanded that far west yet. They might claim the land, but it would not be territories yet, especially considering there was far nicer territory in the west not filled up yet.

In general, you need to look at state borders more. With these butterflies, there is no way the states would remain totally the same. I think it was mostly out of laziness, but especially the british south would look different, with probably more 'indian territory'. Most of the west should just be unorganized territory.

The British south does NOTHING in your TL. Why aren't the brits clamoring for more land? Why don't they expand into Tennesee. If nothing else, the British are going to have deep tensions betwen the planters and the Native American Tribes, since the Brits tried to close the fronteir and be generally more pro native American. I wouldn't be surprised if the south breaks away in the 1820's, with a rump cherokee-creek confederacy in the interior south that is loyal to the British.
 
Chapter 1: The Revolution

There where a variety of reasons for the refusal of the southern colonies, namely, Georgia and the two Carolinas, to refuse to participate in the revolt. The first was rather simple. In early 1775, there was a rash of violence in the region, not full fledged war against the British, but rather, an expression of much pent up resentment between Patriots and Loyalists. The Patriots, being completely outnumbered, fled the South in thousands, heading for the middle colonies of Pennsylvania, Delaware, New Jersey, and New York. As a side effect of this, and contributing to the colonies’ refusal, was the fact that the Founding Fathers of the Revolution grew significantly more antislavery in their rhetoric. The southerners felt threatened and afraid; should these men get their way, their way of life would be swept away, and they would be left beggared and miserable. So, when the time came in July of 1776, the southern colonies did nothing, choosing to remain loyal to the Crown.
The effect of this setback was offset by an American triumph in the north. In late 1775, as violence was beginning to break out and as the southern colonies were sitting there, put and loyal to the Crown, the American attack into Canada, led by General Benedict Arnold, experienced stunning success. On September the 25th, after some preliminary planning, the expedition set out from Fort Western. Arnold had decided to supervise the construction of the transport personally, and when the force set out, it was equipped with river craft, well suited to sail on the river. Although the expedition received a setback when it became clear that the distance was 350 miles, not 180 (the British deliberately published faulty maps for purposes of disinformation) and despite the lack of food supplies, the men, under Arnold’s leadership, managed to endure this setback, making the remaining 170 miles on land. On November the 6th, they reached the St. Lawrence River, ready to attack the city of Quebec. Unfortunately, the city was fortified and the Americans had no cannon. Arnold waited until December the 2nd, when the American general Richard Montgomery arrived with 300 men, and captured British supplies, but there was still the problem of the massive walls. The Americans disregarded this, and decided to take Quebec by storm. They managed to force through a few wooden stockades and make their way into the city. Moving in carefully, they managed to avoid ambush and disaster. By December the 4th, the Americans had managed to secure control of the city of Quebec, ending British control of Canada. As winter came, war season was over. The Americans took the time to secure their hold on North America, preparing for an attack.
Early 1776 was a time of uneasy standoff, punctured by an occasional bloody skirmish. The peace ended on July the Fourth, when 55 representatives from the twelve (Virginia split north-south over the revolt) colonies signed the Declaration of Independence. The British responded with a sea borne attack on New York. It was a complete and utter failure, to the surprise and anger of the British. The Americans waited for the British to make camp on Long Island. While the British were sleeping, a thick fog descended on the island. General Washington’s army rowed over silently, and in the dark of night, launched an attack on the British camp. The British were caught completely by surprise and were slaughtered to a man. This dissuaded the British from attempting any attacks on New England or the Middle Colonies from the sea. Rather, they attempt to invade from the South. This is made difficult by French and Spanish aid to the Americans, not to mention a string of freak accidents and bad luck. The first attempt is frustrated when the British do not get any sleep while they wait in their camp, out of fear of being slaughtered in their sleep. Come morning, most are too tired to fight, and when they are attacked by an American force, most simply fall asleep and are captured. The next attempt fails when the British drink too much tea and coffee, and are too jittery to load, fire, or even hold their muskets. Again, most are either slaughtered or captured. After this, public opinion shifted against the war in Britain. The British finally granted the colonies their independence in 1780, granting them all of Upper and Lower Canada, giving Louisiana to the French, and giving all territory east of the Mississippi and north of the Tennessee River.
 
What of the White Areas? and How do the French in Quebec feel. Finally, it this map th eMap of the US at the time. If so, your Labroador is terribly off. IIRC there was a big dispute as to how much land Labrador was, this wasnt solved till 1949
 
Given that the Russians claimed South to the Gulf of Baja, the Spainish claimed north to the Artic Circle, and Britian Claimed West to the Pacific, Leaving it White is probally best.
 
DuQuense said:
Given that the Russians claimed South to the Gulf of Baja, the Spainish claimed north to the Artic Circle, and Britian Claimed West to the Pacific, Leaving it White is probally best.
What is the situation in Spain, has it been annexed to France? It could affect to all those yellow territory to the south...
 
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