Michael E Johnson
Banned
From: David Walker (dowalke2@ncsu.edu)
Subject: Odd AH map.
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Newsgroups: soc.history.what-if
Date: 2003-12-24 03:00:04 PST
I picked up a fantasy novel recently, "Shadow of the Lion". which has a
rather interesting map for 1537. I was wondering if we might be able to
come up with a series of PODs that might yet create this world. Some parts
may be impossible to do
Scotland, Ireland, Wales, Cornwall, and Brittany are united in the 'League
of Armagh'
Norway and Sweden are united as 'Norseland'
Iceland is nominally part of Norseland, but is defacto independent, and
maintains contact with Vinland, which still exists on the coast of OTL
Maine. (Vinland trade with the Iroquois is mentioned)
England, less the parts mentioned above, and Western France except Brittany
are 'Aquitane', with the Seine and Rhone as the approximate borders.
The Iberian pennensula is united as Spain
Northern Italy is the same conglomerate of City-states as OTL's 1400s, but
this extends throughout italy. (No kingdom of the two Sicilies, for
instance)
The Holy Roman Empire stretches from the Seine and Rhone to the lower
Vistula, and Denmark to Trieste. It is also genuinely united, with the
Hohenstauffens as Emperor, not the Hapsburgs.
Hungary stretches from the Adriatic to the Don, with the Danube as its
southern border about where Roman Dacia started.
The Grand Duchy of Poland and Lithuania runs from the Vistula past the
Dneiper, including Vilna, Warsaw, and Kiev, and reaches from Gdansk/Danzig
to the Crimea.
Where the modern Baltic States are (Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania), is
territory still controlled by the Teutonic Knights.
Muscovy controls the rest of northern Russia and Finland, while Mongol
Khanates control southern Russia
The Balkans are not described on the map, but probably belong to the
Ottomans.
Opinions on if this is a viable map circa 1500-1550?
I see a few possible PODs: The english win the 100 years war, but Brittany,
Wales and Cornwall break off, with all the Celtic-related groups formind a
confederation. How this succeeds, I don't know
The Popes lose their control to the Emperors (there is no 'Papal states' on
the map), and the Hohenstauffens keep control, alowing a *very* powerul
united Empire.
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Also what does the rest of the world look like at this time? In 1900? 2004?-MEJ
Subject: Odd AH map.
View this article only
Newsgroups: soc.history.what-if
Date: 2003-12-24 03:00:04 PST
I picked up a fantasy novel recently, "Shadow of the Lion". which has a
rather interesting map for 1537. I was wondering if we might be able to
come up with a series of PODs that might yet create this world. Some parts
may be impossible to do
Scotland, Ireland, Wales, Cornwall, and Brittany are united in the 'League
of Armagh'
Norway and Sweden are united as 'Norseland'
Iceland is nominally part of Norseland, but is defacto independent, and
maintains contact with Vinland, which still exists on the coast of OTL
Maine. (Vinland trade with the Iroquois is mentioned)
England, less the parts mentioned above, and Western France except Brittany
are 'Aquitane', with the Seine and Rhone as the approximate borders.
The Iberian pennensula is united as Spain
Northern Italy is the same conglomerate of City-states as OTL's 1400s, but
this extends throughout italy. (No kingdom of the two Sicilies, for
instance)
The Holy Roman Empire stretches from the Seine and Rhone to the lower
Vistula, and Denmark to Trieste. It is also genuinely united, with the
Hohenstauffens as Emperor, not the Hapsburgs.
Hungary stretches from the Adriatic to the Don, with the Danube as its
southern border about where Roman Dacia started.
The Grand Duchy of Poland and Lithuania runs from the Vistula past the
Dneiper, including Vilna, Warsaw, and Kiev, and reaches from Gdansk/Danzig
to the Crimea.
Where the modern Baltic States are (Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania), is
territory still controlled by the Teutonic Knights.
Muscovy controls the rest of northern Russia and Finland, while Mongol
Khanates control southern Russia
The Balkans are not described on the map, but probably belong to the
Ottomans.
Opinions on if this is a viable map circa 1500-1550?
I see a few possible PODs: The english win the 100 years war, but Brittany,
Wales and Cornwall break off, with all the Celtic-related groups formind a
confederation. How this succeeds, I don't know
The Popes lose their control to the Emperors (there is no 'Papal states' on
the map), and the Hohenstauffens keep control, alowing a *very* powerul
united Empire.
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Also what does the rest of the world look like at this time? In 1900? 2004?-MEJ