President James Byrnes 1945-1953 or a Dixiecrat in the White House.

President Harry S Truman did alot to advance the cause of Civil Rights in the United States through supporting a Civil Rights bill and of course his famous executive order to desegregate the US military.However Truman was nearly never president. FDR's first choice as VP to replace VP Henry Wallace in 1944 was South Carolina senator James Byrnes . Truman was ultimately selected over Byrnes because Democrats thought his opposition to labor and civil rights would hurt them. But what if FDR had stuck to his guns? Byrnes became Secretary of State in January 1945 but he would have become president in April 1945 if FDR had supported him. How would American history have looked under a President Byrnes from at least 1945-1949? One thing is almost certain-no civil rights bill or desegregation of the US military. As South Carolina governor in the 1950's he staunchly opposed integration. Along with other Southern "Dixiecrats",like Strom Thurmond,he bolted and became Republican when it became clear the Democrats would stand for civil rights. What of the election of 1948? While there would be no Dixiecrat rebellion,the Progressives under Wallace would likely still split. Would Dewey win? Also how would Byrnes have handled some of the famous foreign policy issues at the time? How do the future roles of the Democrats and Republicans pan out? Below I have posted some info in regard to Byrnes and the Dixiecrats.






James Byrnes (1882-1972)
James Byrnes, U.S. senator and secretary of state, was born on May 2, 1879, in Charleston, South Carolina, a few weeks after his father's death. When he reached fourteen, Byrnes dropped out of school to help his dressmaker mother, Elizabeth McSweeney Brynes, support the family by working as a messenger in a local law office. After studying shorthand and lying about his age, he worked as a court reporter. Two of the judges for whom he worked took special interest in Byrnes and helped tutor him in literature, the law, and history. In 1903, after passing the South Carolina bar, he moved to Aiken where he opened his practice and continued to work as a court reporter.

Jimmy Byrnes, as he was known to his constituents, quickly climbed the political ladder. After serving two years as a local prosecutor, he represented the Second District in the House of Representatives from 1911 to 1924 and worked with FDR, then assistant secretary of the navy, to help secure additional funding for naval forces. Although Byrnes eventually won election to the Senate in 1930, he had to run twice to secure the seat – after having been defeated by Coleman Blease, who exploited Byrnes's Catholicism and distaste for the Ku Klux Klan.

While in the Senate, Byrnes supported the fiscal conservatism promoted by Bernard Baruch and became known around the Senate cloak room as "the New Deal's legislative ball carrier." However, as FDR moved to the left and addressed civil rights and labor issues, Byrnes' support for the New Deal waned while his affection for FDR did not. In 1941, FDR appointed him to the United States Supreme Court, which he left in 1942 to accept FDR's request that he direct the Office of Economic Stabilization. The following year, FDR appointed Byrnes head of the Office of War Mobilization and Reconversion, a superagency charged to "initiate policies, plan programs, and coordinate all federal agencies in the production, procurement, and distribution of all war materials – military and civilian."(1) In short, FDR let "assistant president" Byrnes manage the home front while FDR managed the war.

Byrnes wanted the vice-presidential nomination in 1944 and FDR supported him; however, Byrnes' antilabor and civil rights positions convinced party leaders that he would hurt the ticket. Byrnes then hoped that FDR would appoint him secretary of state, which he refused to do; however, FDR did ask his friend to accompany him to Yalta. Byrnes finally became secretary of state when Truman reorganized the Roosevelt cabinet in 1945. Although he supported the immediate use of the atomic bomb against the Japanese, Byrnes refused to use the bomb as a weapon against the Soviets and to mend postwar differences with the USSR, leading Truman and critics in Congress to question his leadership. Byrnes resigned January 1947 when Truman refused to defend his stewardship.

The South Carolinian grew increasingly critical of Truman's Fair Deal policies and campaigned for governor on a platform critical of federal interference in state and local affairs. As a strong opponent of racial integration and governor of South Carolina from 1951-55, Byrnes opposed school integration and encouraged massive resistance. He broke with the Democrats in 1960, supporting Nixon in 1960 and Goldwater in 1964. He died on April 9, 1972, in Columbia.




Who were the Dixiecrats ?

From 1932 until 1944, the Democratic Party was held together by the political leadership and personal charisma of President Franklin Delano Roosevelt. Urban machines, labor unions, intellectual liberals and Southern reactionaries, despite their differences, were all Democrats. With the death of FDR, the party divided into its natural components, and a fractured organization faced the presidential election of 1948.
At its national convention, the party passed a strong (for the times) civil rights plank, a position fully endorsed by the party's presidential nominee, Harry S. Truman of Missouri, who had served as Roosevelt's vice president since their election in 1944.

Enraged at this positive stance on civil rights, many white Southern delegates literally walked out of the convention. There were several consequences. This was one of the first national conventions to be televised, and viewers at home could actually see the angry withdrawal from their party of white segregationists. Also, the camera continued to show their empty chairs, dramatically revealing to blacks and white liberals that these Democrats were motivated firstly by racism.

The Southerners moved to Birmingham, Alabama, where they organized themselves into a rump faction, the States Rights Democratic Party, and nominated Gov. Strom Thurmond of South Carolina for president and Gov. Fielding Wright of Mississippi for Vice President. "States rights" is a familiar euphemism for pro-slavery or pro-racist segregation. This Southern party was immediately labeled Dixiecrats, and campaigned vigorously for the continuation of legalized racial segregation.

As the Democratic right wing broke off to become Dixiecrats, so the left wing broke off to create the Progressive Party. It nominated Secretary of Agriculture Henry Wallace for president and Governor Glen Taylor of Idaho as vice president.

With both the right and left wings gone, President Truman was left with a shaky center and little hope for winning the election. This was accentuated by the fact that former New York Governor Thomas E. Dewey was the Republican candidate. Dewey was a popular, racket-busting district attorney, and all the polls showed him taking the election easily, and some of his potential appointees even bought houses in Washington.

In fact, the feisty, straight-talking Truman won. But the victory of moderation did not mask the disturbingly wide appeal of Strom Thurmond's and the Dixiecrats' slogan, "Segregation forever!" The Dixiecrats carried four states: Alabama, Louisiana, Mississippi, and South Carolina. Nationally, they won 1,169,032 popular votes and 39 electoral votes, not insignificant numbers.

The longer-term consequences were important. The election showed that African Americans, who had voted for Roosevelt, were loyal to the party as well, and suggested they would continue to vote Democratic. The Dixiecrats, however, realized they had no future in the Democratic Party and began to become Republicans.

The South started to transform itself from a one-party region, conservative at home and liberal nationally. This process was deliberately encouraged by President Richard Nixon and his notorious Southern Strategy. This meant making the Republicans more conservative, including more racist. The result is that the South has become again as a one-party region, this time Republican, and seriously conservative both locally and nationally. American politics has been dramatically changed, probably forever.

The Dixiecrats lost in 1948, but they have been winning ever since: their basic position of race has been taken by a major, even the majority, party.
 
one question: do the dixiecrats/conservative GOP southerners outnumber the combined minority/liberal white voters all that much? While the south does vote Republican a lot, haven't several of the states gone Democrat in the past few national elections?
I'm not sure army desegregation would have been delayed all that much. One of the big reasons it happened was that in the opening days of the Korean war, American units were shattered. The commanders on the scene threw men into ad-hoc units regardless of race, found it worked ok, and moved towards segregation. Assuming the same thing happens here, would Byrnes be able to block it for long?
I'm not sure just what you're going for on this POD (although it's an interesting one). What do you think would happen? A delayed integration and civil rights movement (I doubt it could have been totally stopped.. it was gonna happen sometime)?
 
As usual, the only description of the GOP here seems to be racist (the large number of Southern Democrats WHO REMAINED IN THE PARTY and still opposed Civil Rights in the 60s seems to get ignored), and any other explanation for the loss of support in the south (the Democratic tendency to nominate those from the party's left wing - Clinton as a notable exception, the perceived unreliability - true or not - of the party on national security issues, the position of the Dems vis a vis gun control and abortion relative to that of much of the south, etc.) is simply dismissed because it doesn't serve the racialist obsessions...

There is little question that many in the GOP (not all by any means, but many) disgraced themselves with their opposition to Civil Rights in the 1960s, and the price for that is still being paid when one looks at the monolithic voting behavior of most blacks in the US (south and otherwise), but to suggest that this was the only factor in the change in Southern voting patterns (and David, most southern states, even under Clinton - a southerner - tend to go Republican, though Clinton did do better than Gore) is either willful blindness or simple stupidity. The huge number of northerners settling in the south (until 4 years ago, I lived in DC, and before that New York State, now I am a Texan, more or less...) must have immediately become bigots upon their arrival (if you believe that the north was or is any more hospitable to blacks, I suggest you spend some time in Boston, much of Chicago, or for that matter most parts of New England...), else how could the most rapidly growing part of the nation (in large part by a very high net influx of refugees from the rest of the country) remain so consistently bigoted?...

Regarding Byrnes, he was a fairly minor cog in FDR's machine, an apparatchik who wasn't likely to politically survive the demise of his patron, who found him useful as an enforcer. Truman's opinion of him (extremely low) was well known to those around him, and the fact that no real attempt was made to keep him in the party indicates just how little standing he held.
 
----but to suggest that this was the only factor in the change in Southern voting patterns (and David, most southern states, even under Clinton - a southerner - tend to go Republican, though Clinton did do better than Gore) is either willful blindness or simple stupidity-----

Its not being suggested that this was the only reason but the main or primary one. I'm not sure what motivates the persistent denial of that fact-enlighten us?




---(if you believe that the north was or is any more hospitable to blacks, I suggest you spend some time in Boston, much of Chicago, or for that matter most parts of New England...)---

All in all the North was definitley more hospitable to blacks at this time-that was due mainly to no widespread legal Jim Crow system more than it was to positive white attitudes-but they were better in the North as well. As to the influx of whites into the South-are you suggesting that it has completely overtaken the old white population? There is a vote for the Democrats in every Southern states as well-its not 100% black. I dont have the stats right now but its almost certain that the vast majority of white support Democrats get in the South currently is from the more recent white immigrants
 
From: Rich Rostrom (rrostrom.21stcentury@rcn.com)
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congyoglas@aol.combossgent (President Chester A. Arthur) wrote:

>(No, Roosevelt-Byrnes would not lose to Dewey. We've been over this)
>
>Byrnes would almost certainly lose to Dewey. Yes, he would carry the states
>Thurmond carried in OTL and might do slightly better among ethnic voters in the
>North...

You are aware that Byrnes was a _lapsed_ Catholic? The city bosses who
opposed Byrnes for VP in '44 thought he would offend Catholic voters,
not attract them.

>but that wouldn't be enough to counterbalance the probably large-scale
>shift of black voters back to the Republican Party.

Would Byrnes even get the nomination in 1948?

The Republican resurgence of 1946 would be just as big; that would
leave Byrnes trying to govern with a Republican Congress.

His domestic policy situation would be weird. While on the one hand
he was a virulent segregationist, on the other he had been an
enthusiastic New Dealer. As a Southerner, he was probably not a big
fan of organized labor. As "assistant President", he'd gotten used
to running the economy by decree, something that the Republicans
would certainly put a stop to.

My WAG about the domestic side of President Byrnes: he tries to
assert and continue the wartime level of Federal direction of the
economy, seeing it as a continuation of the New Deal. (Perhaps not
explictly, but as an old New Dealer, he sees it as the natural way
to go.) This puts him into conflict with business, and also labor
a bit.

By 1948 he's become known for vaguely populist rantings against
Big Business and the Republicans in Congress, who have repealed
most of the wartime economic authority.

He's also offended liberal Democrats by his yahoo attitudes on
race. This leads to primary challenges by... who? The big names
of 1952, Kefauver and Stevenson, are still offstage (Stevenson
was elected governor of Illinois, and Kefauver elected to the
Senate from Tennessee, in 1948).

It isn't going to be a first term Senator or Governor, nor a Deep
South Democrat (that's why Byrnes is going).

Possibilities:

Senators: Scott Lucas (IL), Alben Barkley (KY), Millard Tydings (MD),
Harry Truman (MO), James Murray (MT), Dennis Chavez (NM), Carl Hatch
(NM), Robert Wagner (NY), Elmer Thomas (OK), Theodore Green (RI),
Ken McKellar (TN), Tom Stewart (TN), Elbert Thomas (UT), Harry Byrd
(VA), Harley Kilgore (WV), Joe O'Mahoney (WY).

Governors: Herbert Maw (UT).

Boy, that's thin. Maybe Eisenhower is persuaded to run as a Democrat
in 1948.
 
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I'd guess -Byrnes tough in foreign policy,similar to
Truman.Domestically-renominated in 1948 but lost votes to both Dewey
and Wallace. Heavily defeated. President Dewey more efficient than
Truman,ends Korea after Reds driven back over border. Reelected 1952.
1956- Warren v. Stevenson;Eisenhower never in politics except as
Defence Secretary. Warren narrow winner,reelected 1960. 1964 -Kennedy
beat Goldwater. 1968-Kennedy assassinated; President Johnson for 7
months. Nixon beat Humphrey in election,reelected 1972. 1976-Bobby
Kennedy elected. 1980-Reagan. Same since.
 

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Banned
Still an interesting topic-any new ideas?

You've been gone for a while MEJ, welcome back!

I have been working on something along this line where FDR nominated Byrnes for Veep in 1944, and of course Byrnes takes over as Prez win FDR dies, but he only gets one term losing out to Dewey in 1948.

Byrnes had several policies in my tl, that delayed the Civil Rights movement but he could not stop it. Several Civil Rights leaders lost their lives in the movement, some earlier than OTL Jessie Jackson for instance was killed in 1975, Martin Luther King however made it a few years more dying in 1971. Their deaths actually did more to help Civil Rights legislation under President Joseph Kennedy Jr than it did hurt it.

But it is still a work in progress, the Dixiecrats do breakaway from the Democrats following Kennedy's reelection in 1976 and form a third party. It is mostly a southern party, and makes up the core of the conservatives of America and is the party of choice for the Christian Right. The Republicans are the more moderate/libertarian party and the Democrats turn more socialist but thanks to the powerful Christian Left in the US, the Democrats are the more popular of the three parties with the Dixiecrats losing momentum as the older generation dies out.
 
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