Alternate Fuhrers
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Seriously, I think that none of the above would be that competent or charismatic as tyrants. If you wanted a cruelly efficient, powerful Nazi Germany emerging in the long term then Richard Heydrich is the only option. If you want a token-Fascist Germany rather than a Nazi Germany, Alfred Hugenburg, leader of the German National People's Party is a good alternate fuehrer.
Seriously, I think that none of the above would be that competent or charismatic as tyrants. If you wanted a cruelly efficient, powerful Nazi Germany emerging in the long term then Richard Heydrich is the only option. If you want a token-Fascist Germany rather than a Nazi Germany, Alfred Hugenburg, leader of the German National People's Party is a good alternate fuehrer.
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Grey Wolf
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Hugenburg !
I'd been trying to remember his name and ended up having to call him H~ all the time !
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Grey Wolf
POTUS P.Diffin said:Yes, I think I would be an excellent American f... Hey!
Seriously, I think that none of the above would be that competent or charismatic as tyrants. If you wanted a cruelly efficient, powerful Nazi Germany emerging in the long term then Richard Heydrich is the only option. If you want a token-Fascist Germany rather than a Nazi Germany, Alfred Hugenburg, leader of the German National People's Party is a good alternate fuehrer.
I'd been trying to remember his name and ended up having to call him H~ all the time !
Thanks
Grey Wolf
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POTUS P.Diffin said:
Hmmm, sure
He doesn't have to be CALLED Fuhrer just be able to weild the power of an authoritarian ruler. I doubt even Hugenburg would have called himself Fuhrer. You have possible timelines for a coalition of nationalists and conservatives to bring back the monarchy, in the form of a regency for the Kaiser. If you have an ultra right regime, even the Nazis under a weaker leader (eg Hess) then perhaps one of the so-called Nazi Princes could actually become Fuhrer with the Nazi leadership underneath him - August Wilhelm comes to mind, or maybe Oskar
It seems on the surface rather unlikely, but its no less unlikely than OTL
Grey Wolf
What about one of the strassers...gregor was it? He placed a lot of emphasis on the "socialist" in "National Socialist", advocating something a lot more like mussolini did. That would be interesting- a more politically dynamic 'revolutionary' Nazisim, sort of like what the SA wanted. On that note, what about Roehm as fuhrer?
How about Max Bauer?
What if Max Bauer hadn't participated in the Kapp Putsch, getting himself exiled from Germany?
How about Max Bauer? A noted military expert (artillery) who also
excercised a great degree of political influence, Bauer was an extreme
right-wing conservative and a confirmed anti-Semitic. With his belief
in total war, Bauer worked to develop German storm-trooper tactics
towards the close of the First World War. In the wake of the armistice
and the German revolution Bauer remained resolutely opposed to the
Weimar Republic and participated in the Kapp Putsch of 1920.
Maybe, had Bauer (which is a fairly common name, isn't it?) not
participated in the Kapp Putsch, he would have stood a better chance a
decade later with the National Socialist German Worker's Party behind
him...
What if Max Bauer hadn't participated in the Kapp Putsch, getting himself exiled from Germany?
How about Max Bauer? A noted military expert (artillery) who also
excercised a great degree of political influence, Bauer was an extreme
right-wing conservative and a confirmed anti-Semitic. With his belief
in total war, Bauer worked to develop German storm-trooper tactics
towards the close of the First World War. In the wake of the armistice
and the German revolution Bauer remained resolutely opposed to the
Weimar Republic and participated in the Kapp Putsch of 1920.
Maybe, had Bauer (which is a fairly common name, isn't it?) not
participated in the Kapp Putsch, he would have stood a better chance a
decade later with the National Socialist German Worker's Party behind
him...
Diamond: Sometimes he's referred to as Richard Heydrich, other times Reinhard Heydrich. At least that’s what he’s referred to according to what I've seen in books, web searches*, etc.
*Example: If you run a search on Google, most of the sites refer to Heydrich (leader of the Gestapo) as Richard.
*Example: If you run a search on Google, most of the sites refer to Heydrich (leader of the Gestapo) as Richard.
Assuming you are talking about the real Nazi party of OTL and not just any old nationalist/fascist Versailles revisionists, it would have died out without Hitler. I tend to be follower of the "great man" doctrine of history, and there were probably few people in the Germany of 1919-1933 who had the right mix of intelligence, drive, anger, charisma, aesthetic vision, and controlled (at least a first) insanity to develop and dominate such a radical movement as pure Nazism. Goering and Himmler would have failed miseably at leadership, Goebbels was probably too sane, and Hess...well who knows. A Hitler-less Nazisim would probably have lost itself in a coalition of populist right-wing parties and causes...and a lot fewer people would have died at the hands of Germany in the period 1939-1945, even if there was a WW2.
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Let me just warn you that this kind of necromancy is not looked kindly upon here, Blair.
Indeed. If you had made a significant post explaining what YOU thought might happen with Ludendorf, that would have been acceptable in some eyes (like mine). Just "What about Ludendorf" is considered quite unhelpful.