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Design your own warship!
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That's right. Pick a period in history & design your own warship. Make it whatever, from a WWII German missile cruiser, to a modern battle cruiser or even battle ship. Furthermore, add a short history if you wish.
Only one rule: Limit the weapons & technology of your warship to that of the period in of your choice. No Tomahawk missiles for the battleships of WW1! Here's my example: Australia Class Battle Cruiser Dates: 2002 onwards Names: BCG 11 Australia; BCG 12 Terra Australis Displacement: Deadweight 4500t; Nominal weight 18 000t standard Dimensions: Length 200m; beam 31.20m; draught 4.50m Propulsion: Main Engines - Four resiliently mounted Ruston 20RK380 each rated at 18000kW at 100% MCR at 25 deg C ambient temperature. Water Jets - Four Lips 250E waterjets configured for steering and reverse. 35knts + Armament: AAW: Four Mk41 Mod 0 vertical launch systems (244) for SM-2 MR missiles. Four Mk 15 Phalanx CIWS. ASW: Two SH60 helicopter; six 324 mm torpedo tubes Mk 32 (2x3). ASuW: 16 Harpoon missiles (4x4); Tomahawk missiles from Mk41 VLS; two 5in (127mm) 45 D-P guns (2x1). Sensors: Surveillance: Four SPY-1D, SPS-67. Fire-Control: Three SPG-62, SPQ-9A. Sonars: SQS-53C History: Ordered in the aftermath of September 11 2001 and the commencement on the war of terror, this class of two missile guided battle cruisers are still to enter service. They are completely unique insofar as they are of a catamaran designed hull. Tests on HMAS Jervis Bay, also a catamaran, gained positive results. The Royal Australian Navy thus accepted this unorthodox approach for a design to be viewed as revolutionary for naval vessels as HMS Dreadnought was 100 years ago. |
I can't see why the helicopter operations is placed so far back and so close to the waterline, unless HMAS Jervis Bay is like that. I would suggest combining the two masts into one to reduce radar reflection and move the forward Phalanx gun to some position above the bridge area since you will increase the firing arcs. An aerial view of the warship would help. You mention it carrying four Phalanx guns but only show two gun mounts, where are the other two? Where are the 5in guns mounted?
I would consider moving helicopter operations immediately aft of the bridge into an extended superstructure. Shift the VLS aft to compensate. You may be able to operate VTOL aircraft. The sides of the hull are still a little too slab-like and probably still reflect a large radar signal. For another proposal, you could leave helicopter operations where they are. However, the more I look at it the superstructure is just too large for a modern warship. You could probably make it easily half the size and increase the deckspace for the 5in guns. |
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One 5in gun is on the bow. The other is just after the last VLS silo (sorry if the scale is a bit off). There are two Phalanx units just behind the bridge between the masts. The other two are on top of the helo hanger further aft of the 5in gun. There are two masts for a couple of reasons, but I wanted to be able to fly battle flags (& flag signals) akin to HMS Victory at Trafalagar - silly I know, but it is a battleship... The large flat superstructure midships houses the VLS silos. Hence the large weapons load. Yes the helo site probably should be raised a few metres to ensure safer landings in rough seas, but I was, as said, merely doing a quick example. |
USS Connetticut
USS Connecticut, Commissioned 1906
Displacement: 23000 tons Dimensions: 590 x 86 x 27’ Machinery: Vertical triple expansion, 18 knots, Range of 6000 nautical miles at 10 knots Armor: Main belt 11”, upper belt 3”, Turret face 12”, Conning Tower 12”, deck 5” over vitals Armament: 8 14”/45’s in four twin turrets, 20 3” guns, 2 21” submerged torpedo tubes The ship looks like a stretched "Vermont" class from OTL, with 2 superimposed main turrets replacing the four 8" gun turrets. Design note: Unlike contemporary battleships, Connecticut and her successors—and the Manila Bay and hers, had a main armament elevation of 30 degrees. The class was gradually upgraded over the years, the survivors being scrapped, converted to other uses, or sold in the 1930’s. In the years after the Spanish-American War, the United States navy was growing, but was always bound to be hopelessly far behind Britian's. A series of minor disputes with Britian were resolved peacefully, but the huge Royal Navy was giving the USN a sence of unease. In 1897, the USN started work on the secret (and now infamous) "12 inch Mark 7," which actually was a 14"/45 calliber gun. In 1902, 3 battleships of 16000 tons and two armored cruisers of 13000 tons were originally authorized. (one more than historical due to a minor incident creating a bit more concern for the US Pacific posessions.) One change was quietly slipped into the bill--a few "yes" votes on some pork barrel projects let it therough. This change would change the world's fleets. The revised authorization allowed the General Board to build “3 battleships of 16,000 tons and 2 armored cruisers of 13000 tons. Should the General Board determine that this is not the most effective use of the allocated displacement, the board may authorize the construction of more or fewer ships, provided that the displacement shall not exceed 74000 tons.” The expectation was for the cruisers to be smaller, allowing for slightly bigger battleships. Instead, the cruisers were completely eliminated, and the three Connecticut's were built--in great secrecy. The first comissioned a week after HMS Dreadnought--and vastly outgunned her. That is my favorite A/H warship creation, and plays a major part in the timeline I posted, "The American Battleship Revolution" |
Imperial Cruiser
Dates: 1845 onwards Names: ICC Lepanto, Trafalgar, Salamis, etc Displacement: 5000T under normal load Dimensions: Length 80m; beam 16m; draught 8m Propulsion: Engines - 2X1MW DC screw; 500 T ballast batteries; 6X20m masts Armament: 1XLongTom, 4XShortStern, 16XPump, 64XGatling This was the first Californian Empire world cruiser series, capable of circumnavigating the world under sail while also equiped for short chase under battery power. The homopolar electric motors for the twin screws made them the fastest ships on the seas for at least an hour, and by far the most maneuverable. The provision of the boiling water jets made it capable of resisting barnacle drag. The low (5 to 1) length to beam ratio made it resistant to hogging during storms. The short masts (proportionately) made it resistant to overturning in sudden gusts. The steel hull made it essentially shell proof for existing cannonball armament, and fireproof as well. The two low pressure desalination units, eight 4 M3 capacity refrigerators, and two electric ranges for cooking, plus the powered cargo winches, anchor hoists, bilge pumps, and ballast pumps, made it the most comfortable berth on the water and gave the class their famous endurance. As a sailing ship it had very nearly unlimited range and because of the political situation facing California it needed it. In terms of armament the series was much more variable. The basic layout of the weapons were virtually always the same, but the weapons were continuously upgraded on almost a yearly basis. The powered turret mounted centerline LongTom was always the largest and highest muzzle velocity cannon the University of California at Carquinez could produce, the others were in rough proportion. Pumps were used for setting ships afire in fleet engagements and explained the remarkable reluctance of enemy ships to attempt close in actions aimed at the rigging. Gatling guns were used for boarding actions when the westbound ships carried slaves and the Captain did not wish to simply sink them, as per the usual eastbound slave ship procedure. It was the dominant ship whether used for shore bombardment at Charleston, interdiction off New Orleans, or just slaver chasing in the Bight of Benin. The class was copied by all other naval powers almost instantly. |
Imperial Japanese Navy
Shokai Class Torpedo Cruiser (1932) Ships in class: Shokai, Mifune, Usagi, Kii, Amagi Displacement: 32,500 (design) 38,000 (full load) length: 720 feet, beam: 98 Machinery: mixed diesel/steam powerplants providing 33 kts 14" belt, 7" sloping decks Main armament: 50x24' torpedo tubes in armored turret mounts with reloads, 12x4 inch dual purpose guns in armored connong towers fore and aft In 1927 the Imperial Navy laid down a unique class of warship designed to take advantage in Japanese improvements in oxygen torpedo design. Essentally gunless battlecruisers, these well-armored 32,500 ton vessels were intended to operate as the flagships of cruiser and destroyer formations, particularly in night and poor weather actions. They exhibited a profile unlike any other contemporary warship, being oddly reminscent of mid-late 19th century casemate monitors with armored broadside torpedo mounts and slope-sided minimal superstructures. Each turret mount was provided a elevator hoist to magazines below the armored deck and sufficient torpedos were held to permit a full set of reloads for each mount to be carried - although spare torpedos could be provided any mounts in action. The low upperworks were marred only by circular armored tower masts containing the small dual purpose guns and a trunked funnel admidships. |
HMAS KOKODA
Hmmm, can't really be bothered designing exact specs for a warship right now, DMA, but what about, based on your suggestion a few mths back re a replacement for HMAS MELBOURNE, the RAN acquiring and developing a TARAWA-class assault carrier- the HMAS KOKODA ? The flagship of the RAN...
What about also sleath technology boats similar to the 1 in TOMORROW NEVER DIES (IIRC) ? |
Want to actually have a crack at this? I suggest you look here to get advice, aquire Springsharp, etc.
Done this before: anyone in DME may be familar with some of these ships One of my favoured designs (including major modernisations) Quote:
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If only the Defence White Paper 2000 listened to me they would... :D BTW - nice ship. HMS Repulse mod? |
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I spent a considrable time mucking around with it, it started as modified Tiger class then swapped 8 13.5" for 6 15" and a moderatly extended hull ultimatly getting something similar to HMS Repulse. However note that all vessels were laid down prior to WW1 so technically they pre-date HMS Repulse... |
well hears my 3 ship tpyes
HMAS Commonwealth, UK/ AUST Cruiser laid down 1937
Displacement: 20,056 t light; 21,206 t standard; 24,581 t normal; 27,183 t full load Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught 795.73 ft / 777.00 ft x 89.00 ft x 29.00 ft (normal load) 242.54 m / 236.83 m x 27.13 m x 8.84 m Armament: 12 - 8.00" / 203 mm guns (3x4 guns), 256.00lbs / 116.12kg shells, 1937 Model Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes) on centreline ends, majority forward, 1 raised mount - superfiring 12 - 4.50" / 114 mm guns (6x2 guns), 45.56lbs / 20.67kg shells, 1937 Model Dual purpose guns in turrets (on barbettes) on side, evenly spread 55 - 1.58" / 40.1 mm guns in single mounts, 1.97lbs / 0.89kg shells, 1937 Model Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts on side, evenly spread 55 - 0.80" / 20.3 mm guns in single mounts, 0.26lbs / 0.12kg shells, 1937 Model Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts on side, evenly spread Weight of broadside 3,741 lbs / 1,697 kg Shells per gun, main battery: 300 12 - 21.0" / 533.4 mm above water torpedoes Armour: - Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg) Main: 8.00" / 203 mm 505.05 ft / 153.94 m 11.32 ft / 3.45 m Ends: Unarmoured Main Belt covers 100 % of normal length - Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max) Main: 8.00" / 203 mm 8.00" / 203 mm 8.00" / 203 mm 2nd: 4.00" / 102 mm 4.00" / 102 mm 4.00" / 102 mm 3rd: 2.00" / 51 mm - - 4th: 2.00" / 51 mm - - - Armour deck: 4.00" / 102 mm, Conning tower: 8.00" / 203 mm Machinery: Oil fired boilers, steam turbines, Geared drive, 4 shafts, 147,572 shp / 110,089 Kw = 33.01 kts Range 16,500nm at 15.00 kts (Bunkerage = 6,076 tons) Complement: 981 - 1,276 Cost: £9.095 million / $36.380 million Distribution of weights at normal displacement: Armament: 468 tons, 1.9 % Armour: 6,393 tons, 26.0 % - Belts: 1,918 tons, 7.8 % - Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0.0 % - Armament: 1,280 tons, 5.2 % - Armour Deck: 3,049 tons, 12.4 % - Conning Tower: 146 tons, 0.6 % Machinery: 4,090 tons, 16.6 % Hull, fittings & equipment: 8,905 tons, 36.2 % Fuel, ammunition & stores: 4,525 tons, 18.4 % Miscellaneous weights: 200 tons, 0.8 % Overall survivability and seakeeping ability: Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship): 33,531 lbs / 15,209 Kg = 131.0 x 8.0 " / 203 mm shells or 3.6 torpedoes Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.03 Metacentric height 4.5 ft / 1.4 m Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 94 % - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.32 Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1.21 Hull form characteristics: Hull has a flush deck Block coefficient: 0.429 Sharpness coefficient: 0.32 'Natural speed' for length: 27.87 kts Power going to wave formation at top speed: 50 % Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 78 Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 30.00 degrees Stern angle (Positive = stern overhangs aft): 3.00 degrees Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length): - Stem: 30.66 ft / 9.35 m - Forecastle (20 %): 19.51 ft / 5.95 m - Mid (50 %): 19.51 ft / 5.95 m - Quarterdeck (15 %): 19.51 ft / 5.95 m - Stern: 19.51 ft / 5.95 m - Average freeboard: 20.40 ft / 6.22 m Ship space, strength and comments: Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 71.9 % - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 137.4 % Waterplane Area: 41,201 Square feet or 3,828 Square metres Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 133 % Structure weight / hull surface area: 142 lbs/sq ft or 691 Kg/sq metre Hull strength (Relative): - Cross-sectional: 0.99 - Longitudinal: 1.12 - Overall: 1.00 Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is excellent Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily KGV, AUS/UK Battleship laid down 1936 Displacement: 80,790 t light; 90,467 t standard; 97,821 t normal; 103,314 t full load Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught 1,129.78 ft / 1,100.00 ft x 150.00 ft x 50.00 ft (normal load) 344.36 m / 335.28 m x 45.72 m x 15.24 m Armament: 15 - 15.00" / 381 mm guns (3x5 guns), 1,687.50lbs / 765.44kg shells, 1936 Model Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes) on centreline ends, majority forward, 1 raised mount - superfiring 20 - 5.25" / 133 mm guns (10x2 guns), 72.35lbs / 32.82kg shells, 1936 Model Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes) on side, all amidships 200 - 1.58" / 40.1 mm guns (100x2 guns), 1.97lbs / 0.89kg shells, 1936 Model Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts on side, evenly spread 200 - 0.80" / 20.3 mm guns (50x4 guns), 0.26lbs / 0.12kg shells, 1936 Model Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts on side, evenly spread Weight of broadside 27,205 lbs / 12,340 kg Shells per gun, main battery: 500 Armour: - Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg) Main: 15.0" / 381 mm 715.00 ft / 217.93 m 15.46 ft / 4.71 m Ends: Unarmoured Main Belt covers 100 % of normal length - Torpedo Bulkhead: 5.00" / 127 mm 715.00 ft / 217.93 m 48.22 ft / 14.70 m - Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max) Main: 16.0" / 406 mm 17.0" / 432 mm 18.0" / 457 mm 2nd: 6.00" / 152 mm 7.00" / 178 mm 8.00" / 203 mm 3rd: 2.00" / 51 mm - - 4th: 2.00" / 51 mm - - - Armour deck: 6.00" / 152 mm, Conning tower: 25.00" / 635 mm Machinery: Oil fired boilers, steam turbines, Geared drive, 6 shafts, 329,801 shp / 246,032 Kw = 33.50 kts Range 15,000nm at 15.00 kts (Bunkerage = 13,237 tons) Complement: 2,765 - 3,595 Cost: £36.802 million / $147.209 million Distribution of weights at normal displacement: Armament: 3,401 tons, 3.5 % Armour: 32,689 tons, 33.4 % - Belts: 7,047 tons, 7.2 % - Torpedo bulkhead: 6,378 tons, 6.5 % - Armament: 7,330 tons, 7.5 % - Armour Deck: 10,782 tons, 11.0 % - Conning Tower: 1,152 tons, 1.2 % Machinery: 9,254 tons, 9.5 % Hull, fittings & equipment: 35,447 tons, 36.2 % Fuel, ammunition & stores: 17,031 tons, 17.4 % Miscellaneous weights: 0 tons, 0.0 % Overall survivability and seakeeping ability: Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship): 111,208 lbs / 50,443 Kg = 65.9 x 15.0 " / 381 mm shells or 22.7 torpedoes Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.05 Metacentric height 10.0 ft / 3.1 m Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 94 % - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.37 Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1.32 Hull form characteristics: Hull has a flush deck Block coefficient: 0.415 Sharpness coefficient: 0.33 'Natural speed' for length: 33.17 kts Power going to wave formation at top speed: 45 % Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 71 Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 30.00 degrees Stern angle (Positive = stern overhangs aft): 10.00 degrees Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length): - Stem: 44.48 ft / 13.56 m - Forecastle (20 %): 23.22 ft / 7.08 m - Mid (50 %): 23.22 ft / 7.08 m - Quarterdeck (15 %): 23.22 ft / 7.08 m - Stern: 23.22 ft / 7.08 m - Average freeboard: 24.92 ft / 7.59 m Ship space, strength and comments: Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 74.3 % - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 155.3 % Waterplane Area: 97,133 Square feet or 9,024 Square metres Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 125 % Structure weight / hull surface area: 253 lbs/sq ft or 1,235 Kg/sq metre Hull strength (Relative): - Cross-sectional: 0.97 - Longitudinal: 1.20 - Overall: 1.00 Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is excellent Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily Victory, UK Battleship laid down 1941 Displacement: 217,901 t light; 245,896 t standard; 258,686 t normal; 267,882 t full load Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught 1,228.16 ft / 1,200.00 ft x 250.00 ft x 60.00 ft (normal load) 374.34 m / 365.76 m x 76.20 m x 18.29 m Armament: 16 - 20.00" / 508 mm guns (4x4 guns), 4,000.00lbs / 1,814.37kg shells, 1941 Model Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes) on centreline ends, evenly spread, 2 raised mounts - superfiring 40 - 9.20" / 234 mm guns (20x2 guns), 389.34lbs / 176.60kg shells, 1941 Model Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes) on side, all amidships 250 - 1.58" / 40.1 mm guns in single mounts, 1.97lbs / 0.89kg shells, 1941 Model Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts on side, evenly spread 150 - 0.80" / 20.3 mm guns in single mounts, 0.26lbs / 0.12kg shells, 1941 Model Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts on side, evenly spread Weight of broadside 80,105 lbs / 36,335 kg Shells per gun, main battery: 500 Armour: - Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg) Main: 26.0" / 660 mm 780.00 ft / 237.74 m 18.97 ft / 5.78 m Ends: Unarmoured Main Belt covers 100 % of normal length - Torpedo Bulkhead: 10.0" / 254 mm 780.00 ft / 237.74 m 48.27 ft / 14.71 m - Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max) Main: 25.0" / 635 mm 22.0" / 559 mm 18.0" / 457 mm 2nd: 9.20" / 234 mm 9.00" / 229 mm 7.00" / 178 mm 3rd: 2.00" / 51 mm - - 4th: 2.00" / 51 mm - - - Armour deck: 13.80" / 351 mm, Conning tower: 25.00" / 635 mm Machinery: Oil fired boilers, steam turbines, Geared drive, 9 shafts, 599,398 shp / 447,151 Kw = 33.01 kts Range 15,000nm at 15.00 kts (Bunkerage = 23,021 tons) Complement: 5,734 - 7,455 Cost: £112.851 million / $451.402 million Distribution of weights at normal displacement: Armament: 10,013 tons, 3.9 % Armour: 103,061 tons, 39.8 % - Belts: 17,191 tons, 6.6 % - Torpedo bulkhead: 13,931 tons, 5.4 % - Armament: 20,516 tons, 7.9 % - Armour Deck: 49,213 tons, 19.0 % - Conning Tower: 2,211 tons, 0.9 % Machinery: 15,840 tons, 6.1 % Hull, fittings & equipment: 88,787 tons, 34.3 % Fuel, ammunition & stores: 40,785 tons, 15.8 % Miscellaneous weights: 200 tons, 0.1 % Overall survivability and seakeeping ability: Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship): 377,981 lbs / 171,450 Kg = 94.5 x 20.0 " / 508 mm shells or 141.4 torpedoes Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.09 Metacentric height 23.3 ft / 7.1 m Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 100 % - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.27 Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1.30 Hull form characteristics: Hull has a flush deck Block coefficient: 0.503 Sharpness coefficient: 0.42 'Natural speed' for length: 34.64 kts Power going to wave formation at top speed: 51 % Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 78 Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 30.00 degrees Stern angle (Positive = stern overhangs aft): 5.00 degrees Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length): - Stem: 45.11 ft / 13.75 m - Forecastle (20 %): 35.25 ft / 10.74 m - Mid (50 %): 35.25 ft / 10.74 m - Quarterdeck (15 %): 35.25 ft / 10.74 m - Stern: 24.25 ft / 7.39 m - Average freeboard: 35.21 ft / 10.73 m Ship space, strength and comments: Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 62.5 % - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 225.7 % Waterplane Area: 192,765 Square feet or 17,908 Square metres Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 120 % Structure weight / hull surface area: 361 lbs/sq ft or 1,764 Kg/sq metre Hull strength (Relative): - Cross-sectional: 0.96 - Longitudinal: 1.56 - Overall: 1.00 Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is excellent Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily |
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I came across this a long time ago. It is someone else's effort but it is so good I felt this thread would a be suitable place for it to be appreciated.
http://home.sc.rr.com/dwspage/MISC/Q...oria/queen.htm |
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Too much is done to perpetuate the myth of thin armour on the British battlcruisers, let alone that the British had inadequate anti-flash methods in their magazines. It was rapid fire doctrine and its cause and effect that was the problem. |
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On the Warships Project Index site there is a section on 'own design' warships. There have been some interesting ships. The problem has been that there has never been an AH for them.
One sci-fi site dealing with the 'rifts' has a lot of ship designs from the future. Another site, WesWorld is a combination of both ship design and alternative history. |
i WANT TO KNOW HOW YOU DRAW SOMETHING THAT GOOD
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Who? Me, Cockroach or someone else? |
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Wow, some of these designs are very detailed. Stuff like SHP, how many shell hits it will take to sink her, or how many torps will put her under can't be WAGs. There must be some sort of procedure you folks are using, a checklist or design sheet or something.
Well, where is it and how can I get one? :) Bill |
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