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marcus_aurelius February 2nd, 2012 08:33 AM

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Originally Posted by JudgeKing (Post 5556988)
In hindsight, Taiwan buying the USS Coral Sea would be a rather dumb idea. In regards to the destroyers, how about halving the number of Farragut and Brooke-class ships bought to five Farragut-class destroyers and three Brooke-class frigates?

I'd say four Spru-cans and four Farraguts at most. If we're throwing the Brookes in we'll have to butterfly the Kang Dings away - which wouldn't be hard, IMVHO, revealing the true extent of the Lafayette Scandal could do it. ;)

Marc A

JudgeKing February 5th, 2012 05:18 AM

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I'd say four Spru-cans and four Farraguts at most. If we're throwing the Brookes in we'll have to butterfly the Kang Dings away - which wouldn't be hard, IMVHO, revealing the true extent of the Lafayette Scandal could do it. ;)

Marc A
That should be perfect. Also, the remaining Farraguts get bought by Mexico, how does that sound?

Given that TheMann retconned Canada buying the Clemenceau, Colbert, and later the Des Moines, I'd like to propose solutions to dealing with the retcons.

The Clemenceau and Colbert:
In 2002, France offered to sell the aircraft carrier Clemenceau and the cruiser Colbert to Canada for a rather reasonable price. For several months, arguments raged on and off about whether or not to purchase them. In the end, it was decided not to purchase them. Even though Canada turned down the purchase, they did find a willing buyer for the two ships in the Brazilian government who had previously bought the Foch back in September of 2000. Brazil was a bit hesitant at first, but Canada's offer to help upgrade and reduce the manpower requirements was what clinched the deal for Brazil. The Clemenceau and Colbert would be launched as NAeL Rio de Janiero (A13) and NAeL Republic (C13) February 8, 2006. After several months of sea trials, both ships would be commissioned on September 7, 2006.

The USS Des Moines (CA-134)
In October of 2003, the American government sent messages to the Canadian government in regards to giving them the USS Des Moines. Like with the Clemenceau and Colbert, several months were spent arguing about it and eventually the offer was declined. Canada did however offer to overhaul the Des Moines and bring it back into US service for them given their experience with overhauling decommissioned warships. The Des Moines' refit would take around 40 months to complete and would launch on April 14, 2006. It would be commissioned on November 16, 2006 as part of the USS Enterprise battle group.

Here is the rebuilt USS Des Moines (CA-134). As you can see, it's a hybrid between the HMCS Alaska and HMCS Magnificent rebuilds as well as having the sensor suite of the rebuilt Iowa-class battleships. If their are any changes you think are necessary, please feel free to make them.

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Originally Posted by Rebuilt USS Des Moines (CA-134)
Type: Heavy Cruiser
Builders: Bethlehem Steel Company, Quincy, Massachusetts, USA
Rebuilders:
- Ontario Marine, Whitby, Ontario
- Hamilton Shipbuilding and Drydock, Hamilton, Ontario

Displacement: 22,650 tons (full load)
Length: 716 ft 6 in (218.39 m)
Beam: 76 ft 6 in (23.32 m)
Draft: 27 ft 6 in (8.38 m)

Propulsion: 3 General Electric LM6000NV gas turbines, 12 Western Electric AC electrical generators, 4-8000 horsepower electric motors
Power: 163,830 shp (122 Megawatts)
Top Speed: 35 knots (64.82 km/h)
Range: 12,500 nautical miles (23,150 km) at 15 knots
Complement: 126 officers, 679 men

Radar
AN/SPY-1F phased electronically scanned radar
AN/SPS-49(V)8 air search radar
AN/SPS-67(V)3 surface search radar
AN/SPS-73(V)12 surface search radar
AN/SPQ-9B fire control radar (2)
AN/SPG-62 missile fire control radar (4)
GCFS 37/25 manual fire control directors (4)
AN/SLQ-32(V)4 electronic warfare system
AN/SLQ-25B Nixie torpedo decoy system

Armament:
6 8"/62-caliber naval guns
8 5"/62-caliber naval guns
1 Mk 41 Vertical Launch System, 64 launch cells (fits SM-2, SM-2ER, Tomahawk, ESSM and VL-ASROC missiles)
2 Mark 26 Missile Launchers
4 Mark 141 Missile Launchers (fires RGM-84 Harpoon SSMs)
4 Mark 143 Missile Launchers (fires 16 BGM-109 Tomahawk cruise missiles)
2 Mk 112 Rolling Airframe Missile Launchers (42 missile cells, plus reloads)
4 35mm Naval Defender CIWS


marcus_aurelius February 7th, 2012 07:41 AM

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Originally Posted by JudgeKing (Post 5604249)
That should be perfect. Also, the remaining Farraguts get bought by Mexico, how does that sound?

Them, or Poland, Turkey, and... I dunno, Iran? They are the good guys ITTL, after all. :D

On second thought, IIRC TheMann mentioned at least one PLAN carrier, which Taiwan will need to get some better anti-air ships some time in the 10s. Improved Burkes? Modified Hobarts? Calgarys? :)

Marc A

P.S. JudgeKing, sometimes I feel we're necroing this TL... :p

JudgeKing February 7th, 2012 11:29 AM

marcus, we're not necroing this thread. We're keeping this thread alive so that TheMann will hopefully get back to it.

By the way, here's a list of deccommissioned US warships that were scrapped or sunk as targets.

*6 Brooke-class guided missile frigates
*(Which we decided will got to Taiwan)

*10 Farragut-class destroyers
*(Decided that 4 go to Taiwan and 6 to Mexico)

*9 Leahy-class guided missile cruisers

*9 Belknap-class guided missile cruisers

*14 Charles F. Adams-class guided missile destroyers

*15 Knox-class ASW frigates

*30 Spruance-class ASW destroyers
*(4 will go to Taiwan)

marcus_aurelius February 8th, 2012 05:53 AM

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Originally Posted by JudgeKing (Post 5613803)
marcus, we're not necroing this thread. We're keeping this thread alive so that TheMann will hopefully get back to it.

By the way, here's a list of deccommissioned US warships that were scrapped or sunk as targets.

*6 Brooke-class guided missile frigates
*(Which we decided will got to Taiwan)

*10 Farragut-class destroyers
*(Decided that 4 go to Taiwan and 6 to Mexico)

*9 Leahy-class guided missile cruisers

*9 Belknap-class guided missile cruisers

*14 Charles F. Adams-class guided missile destroyers

*15 Knox-class ASW frigates

*30 Spruance-class ASW destroyers
*(4 will go to Taiwan)

Like I said earlier, I think Iran can get some of those, as a sign of thawing Iranian-American relations. Brazil can use some ships for their new carrier, too. :)

With a more powerful China, ROKN, JMSDF, and RAN could probably use more advanced ships. Selling what you've listed above might/might not be a good idea. Hmmm......

Marc A

TheMann February 8th, 2012 06:43 AM

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Originally Posted by JudgeKing (Post 5613803)
marcus, we're not necroing this thread. We're keeping this thread alive so that TheMann will hopefully get back to it.

Truthfully, I have no idea where to go from here with it, and In Defense of Humanity, the upcoming Transport America Version 3.0 and Chipperback's 2012 Racing Season are keeping me busy. If you guys have any ideas where to go, I'm all ears to keep the legend alive. :)

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Originally Posted by JudgeKing (Post 5613803)
*6 Brooke-class guided missile frigates
*(Which we decided will got to Taiwan)

The Brookes are quite old, and while upgrades kept them useable, these vessels will be over 40 years old in 2010, and frigates tend to not be as tough as cruisers. I can see these lasting longer in USN service, though, if they are comprehensively overhauled in the 1990s, with the 5"/38 being tossed and replaced with either a 76mm unit like the Perrys or a 5"/54 like the Ticonderoga or Burke classes. By the end of the 2000s, they would be suitable for transfer. Taiwan wouldn't take them - too old. I am thinking that Iran, Turkey, Greece, India, South Africa or Thailand might be countries which might take these.

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Originally Posted by JudgeKing (Post 5613803)
*10 Farragut-class destroyers
*(Decided that 4 go to Taiwan and 6 to Mexico)

Very old and very worn by the 1990s, missing helicopter hangars and with antiquated electronics and weapons systems. I'd say these ships are gonna be headed for museums or the scrapyard.

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Originally Posted by JudgeKing (Post 5613803)
*9 Leahy-class guided missile cruisers

See above. These were quite worn by the 1990s, and each one had 30 years service by the time they were decommissioned, and had rather big crew sizes as well. Same fate as the Farragut class DDGs, I think.

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Originally Posted by JudgeKing (Post 5613803)
*9 Belknap-class guided missile cruisers

These could have longer careers, though they are like the Brookes, needing extensive rebuilds before they would be suitable for longer service. Replace the Mk 10 forward launcher with a Mark 41 VLS, do the requisite electronics upgrades (SPG-62 fire control radar, new electronics for missile control) and make the vessel able to operate the latest helicopters, and you could keep these operation for a while yet.

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Originally Posted by JudgeKing (Post 5613803)
*14 Charles F. Adams-class guided missile destroyers

Same problem as the Farraguts - old, quite worn and without helicopter decks or the ability to be heavily upgraded.

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Originally Posted by JudgeKing (Post 5613803)
*15 Knox-class ASW frigates

I'm surprised the United States didn't try to move every one of the Knox class vessels. These could also be easily enough improved, though they would need new diesel generators to the requisite electrical power. Ditch the Sea Sparrow at the back and move it to midships with the smaller Mark 29 launchers, use the back for a bigger helicopter pad and fit the diesel generators back there, under the pad. Phalanx CIWS on each side, behind the bridge and next to the mainmast, moving the SLQ-32 units up to a higher position above and behind the CIWS guns.

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Originally Posted by JudgeKing (Post 5613803)
*30 Spruance-class ASW destroyers
*(4 will go to Taiwan)

I can see these being popular as sale units, too - Brazil, Greece, Iran, Egypt and maybe India, South Africa and Thailand, as well as the ROC, of course.

I am also thinking that as Iran moves back into the Western sphere for real (after the 2008 war and a couple years), the USN might just build them their Kidds, with a bunch of improvements, of course. They were ordered and built, but ITTL they wound up in the RCN. These new-build Kidd class vessels might also be an option for the ROCN, though they will undoubtedly want something with the AEGIS combat system.

TheMann February 8th, 2012 06:46 AM

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Originally Posted by marcus_aurelius (Post 5618215)
Like I said earlier, I think Iran can get some of those, as a sign of thawing Iranian-American relations. Brazil can use some ships for their new carrier, too. :)

With a more powerful China, ROKN, JMSDF, and RAN could probably use more advanced ships. Selling what you've listed above might/might not be a good idea. Hmmm......

Marc A

The JMSDF and ROKN have such shipbuilding industries that they will want to build their own vessels if at all possible. Australia has also moved in that direction, and Australia's experiences with the Newport-class ships they bought was not positive - that's why they didn't buy the Kidd class vessels IOTL, as they were offered them for peanuts. If the USN is gonna move the vessels, they would have to be upgraded and refurbished rather substantially first, and for a cheap price.

JudgeKing February 8th, 2012 06:58 AM

What about detailing the supercat replacement program of the 2040s?

marcus_aurelius February 10th, 2012 06:57 AM

Random thought
 
IOTL the US-Britain Special Relationship is one of the strongest alliances in the world. ITTL I imagine Canada could be added to that, creating what would be known officially as the Special Relationship (that part remain unchanged), unofficially the Three Musketeers, and off-the-record, the Great Ménage à Trois. :D

Marc A

JudgeKing February 11th, 2012 02:31 PM

Hey TheMann, what's the name of the third Invincible-class light carrier?

Ming777 February 12th, 2012 02:06 AM

I'm guessing HMS Indomitable.

JudgeKing February 12th, 2012 03:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Ming 777 (Post 5635841)
I'm guessing HMS Indomitable.

That sounds like a good name. Given that it launched in 1981, let's say it was renamed in 1984 after Thatcher announced plans to rebuild and reactivate the Audacious-class HMS Ark Royal.

marcus_aurelius February 13th, 2012 04:52 AM

I wonder how the Royal Navy benefited from this TL... :)

Marc A

JudgeKing February 13th, 2012 05:13 AM

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Originally Posted by marcus_aurelius (Post 5642030)
I wonder how the Royal Navy benefited from this TL... :)

Marc A

As of 2003:
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Great Britain: Ark Royal's rebuild was done several years after Eagle's was. Ark Royal is still in service in 2003, but its on borrowed time. Britain's replacements are the Queen Elizabeth class aircraft carriers, which here are closer to the Nimitz-class aircraft carrier than the Queen Elizabeths of OTL - angled-deck, no ski jump, three elevators and four catapults, and gas turbine engines. The RN was the second foreign customer for the F/A-18 (Canada the first, Australia the third), though the strike assets of Ark Royal are based around the naval variant of the Panavia Tornado ADV, which Canada also operates. The Eurofighter here has a naval variant, with wider landing gear, slightly enlarged wing surfaces and a tail hook. No guesses as to why that variant was built. Britain never bothered with the F-14, Ark Royal isn't big enough and the QE2 class will have other aircraft. Like the RAN, the RN has the Hawkeye, Greyhound and Sea King, as well as the S-3 Viking and Westland Super Lynx. The first of the QE2 class will enter service in 2004. Britain's multiple problems with European Defense Procurement led to them ditching the European frigate design program earlier. The first three Type 45 destroyers are either built or under construction. The RAF also has a small number of Hornets, though these are being replaced by the Eurofighter.
And the military forces of the UK in 2030.
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That is true across the board. The 2030 RN includes two full-blown, angled-deck, gas turbine-powered aircraft carriers, an amphibious assault vessel, three LPDs, nine destroyers (all Type 45), 25 frigates (16 Type 26, 9 Type 23), nine nuclear attack subs (all Astute class), six AIP submarines (upgraded variants of the Upholders - the first four of that class served the RN until 2013, when they were transferred to the South African Navy) and a variety of minesweepers, patrol vessels and 35 vessels of the Royal Fleet Auxillary, as well as the four upgraded Vanguard-class missile submarines. Somewhat bigger than OTL, but not that much so.

You are correct that the Commonwealth core nations (UK, Canada, Australia, NZ, South Africa) do co-operate a lot. Between them, they can call up five full-sized aircraft carriers and over 100 destroyers and frigates, as well as a lot of amphibious assets. The RAF, RCAF and RAAF all have strategic airlift capability, and Britain and Canada have strategic bombers, which have in recent years come to be popular things, usually because the big aircraft can deliver a lot of ordinance, proved by operations in Afghanistan, India, East Timor, Zimbabwe and Korea. The RAF's strategic bombers are based off the American B-1, but as with the Canadian CB-1R, the RAF's Lancer B.1 uses a lot of locally-produced electronics and equipment. The B.1 replaced the Avro Vulcan B.3A in late 2025, allowing the Vulcan to be retired after nearly 70 years of service. RN aircraft carriers use Typhoon RN.3 and Tornado RN.5 fighters and strike aircraft and Viking ASW.1 anti-submarine aircraft, along with the ubiquitous Hawkeyes and Greyhounds, and Lynx Wildcat and Merlin helicopters.

The RAF is also somewhat bigger. The RAF's fleet uses the Eurofighter Typhoon for fighter roles, the Panavia Tornado GR.7 for strike duties, along with some Harriers, and a handful of Bombardier Crossbows for strike duties, usually in maritime strike roles. The RAF still uses heavily-upgraded variants of the E-3 for AWACS, though they, like most of the Commonwealth nations, use a variant of Airbus A330 as a refueling tanker, though the RAF still uses its Lockheed Tristars as well. For transport planes, the RAF relies on a fleet of Airbus A400Ms, delivered to the RAF between 1998 and 2001, and six C-17 Globemaster IIIs, delivered in 2006 and 2007. Three Bombardier CC-194V Ambassadors are also part of the RAF, operating usually as Royal Flights or transport for Britain's Prime Minister.

The British Army is about OTL size, though they have more gear. Britain's regular army ITTL is about 125,000 members, a time and a half the size of the Canadian Army, and they regularly compete against each other. Canada's products are fairly common among the British Armed Forces - Crossbow strike fighters and the Ambassador VIP aircraft serve the RAF, and Scorpion attack tiltrotors are used by both the Royal Marines and the British Army, and the RAF's Raytheon Sentinel is based on the airframe of the Bombardier Global Express, and was so successful at its role that Canada, Israel, Brazil, Japan and Australia bought them as well. The British are also buying the Tyranus R2/R2+ APC, having helped develop it, and they are developing a new tank to replace the Challenger 2, which will have a 152mm main gun and a APU in place of battery packs, which will likely replace the Leopard 2A6CA in Canadian service as well.

JudgeKing February 22nd, 2012 08:41 PM

Behold the Royal Australian Navy. Correct this as needed.

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Australia-class (Modified Essex class) Aircraft Carrier (1) - 1989
HMAS Australia (R22) - retired due to battle damage, became a museum ship

Australia-class Aircraft Carrier (1) - 2013
HMAS Australia (R23) - built to replace the Essex-class HMAS Australia.

Balikpapan-class Heavy Landing Craft (8) - 1973
HMAS Balikpapan (L-126)
HMAS Brunei (L-127)
HMAS Labuan (L-128)
HMAS Tarakan (L-129)
HMAS Wewak (L-130)
HMAS Salamaua (L-131)
HMAS Buna (L-132)
HMAS Betano (L-133)

Tobruk-class (Modified Round Table class) Heavy Landing Ship (1) - 1981
HMAS Tobruk (L-50)

Kanimbla-class (Newport class) Amphibious Assault Ship (2) - 1994
HMAS Kanimbla (L-51)
HMAS Manoora (L-52)

Bay-class Dock Landing Ship (1) - 2011
HMAS Choules (L100)

Canberra-class Landing Helicopter Dock (2) - 2015
HMAS Canberra (LHD-01)
HMAS Adelaide (LHD-02)

Perth-class Destroyer (3) - 1965
HMAS Perth (D-38) - retired
HMAS Hobart (D-39) - retired
HMAS Brisbane (D-40) - retired

Spruance-class Destroyer (6) -[Note 1]
HMAS New South Wales (DDGH-41)
HMAS Queensland (DDGH-42)
HMAS South Australia (DDGH-43)
HMAS Tasmania (DDGH-44)
HMAS Victoria (DDGH-45)
HMAS Western Australia (DDGH-46)

Hobart-class Guided Missile Destroyer (4) - 2007 [Note 2]
HMAS Hobart (DDGH-47) - damaged/destroyed in Indian missile attack during 2008 Indian Ocean War.
HMAS Brisbane (DDGH-48)
HMAS Sydney (DDGH-49)

Adelaide-class Guided Missile Frigate (6) - 1983
HMAS Adelaide (FFG-01) - retired
HMAS Canberra (FFG-02) - retired
HMAS Sydney (FFG-03) - seriously damaged in missile attack in during 2008 Indian Ocean War, scuttled
HMAS Darwin (FFG-04)
HMAS Melbourne (FFG-05)
HMAS Newcastle (FFG-06)

Anzac-class Frigate (8) - 1996 [Note 3]
HMAS Anzac (FFH-150) - destroyed in Indian missile attack, 2008
HMAS Arunta (FFH-151)
HMAS Warramunga (FFH-152)
HMAS Stuart (FFH-153)
HMAS Parramatta (FFH-154)
HMAS Ballerat (FFH-155)
HMAS Toowoomba (FFH-156)
HMAS Perth (FFH-157)
HMAS Sydney (FFH-158) - built to replace ship lost in 2008 Indian Ocean War
HMAS Adelaide (FFH-159) - see above
HMAS Canberra (FFH-160) - see above
HMAS Broken Hill (FFH-161) - see above

Calgary-class Guided Missile Frigate (6)
HMAS (Insert Name) (FFG-07)
HMAS (Insert Name) (FFG-08)
HMAS (Insert Name) (FFG-09)
HMAS (Insert Name) (FFG-10)
HMAS (Insert Name) (FFG-11)
HMAS (Insert Name) (FFG-12)

Collins-class Hunter Killer Submarine (8) - 1996 [Note 4]
HMAS Collins (SSG-73)
HMAS Farncomb (SSG-74)
HMAS Waller (SSG-75)
HMAS Dechaineux (SSG-76)
HMAS Sheean (SSG-77)
HMAS Rankin (SSG-78)
HMAS Sinclair (SSG-79)
HMAS Harrington (SSG-80)

Success-class (Durance class) Auxiliary Vessel (3) - 1986 [Note 5]
HMAS Success (OR-304)
HMAS Victory (OR-305)
HMAS Challenge (OR-306)

Sirius-class Fleet Tanker (1) - 2006
HMAS Sirius (O-266)

Paluma-class Survey Vessel (4) - 1989
HMAS Paluma (A-01)
HMAS Mermaid (A-02)
HMAS Shepparton (A-03)
HMAS Benalla (A-04)

Leeuwin-class Survey Vessel (2) - 2000
HMAS Leeuwin (A-245)
HMAS Melville (A-246)

Huon-class Mine hunter (6) - 1999
HMAS Huon (M-82)
HMAS Hawkesbury (M-83)
HMAS Norman (M-84)
HMAS Gascoyne (M-85)
HMAS Diamantine (M-86)
HMAS Yarra (M-87)

Armidale-class Patrol Boat (14) - 2005
HMAS Armidale (ACPB-83)
HMAS Larrakia (ACPB-84)
HMAS Bathurst (ACPB-85)
HMAS Albany (ACPB-86)
HMAS Pirie (ACPB-87)
HMAS Maitland (ACPB-88)
HMAS Ararat ACPB-89)
HMAS Broome (ACPB-90)
HMAS Bundaberg (ACPB-91)
HMAS Wollongong (ACPB-92)
HMAS Childers (ACPB-93)
HMAS Launceston (ACPB-94)
HMAS Maryborough (ACPB-95)
HMAS Glenelg (ACPB-96)
*Note-1: The Spruance-class destroyers were license built in Australia according to post 91.

*Note-2: According to the 2008 (Part 1) post, the Hobart was ~1 year old.

*Note-3: According to the 2008 (Part 2) post, Australia built four new Anzac-class frigates to replace the ships lost during the war.

*Note-4: Also on post 91, you mentioned that Australia had built two more Collins-class submarines.

*Note-5: On post 91, you stated that Australia had three Durance-class vessels.

TheMann February 23rd, 2012 01:50 AM

1) You have two HMAS Perths, though I suspect the destroyer Perth would have been long retired by the time the frigate Perth is commissioned

2) I only have the Sirius in In Defense of Humanity because the RFA Stromness, which later became USNS Sirius, was one of the ships that reported to the Gathering Order in the Doomsday TL.

3) The first HMAS Australia was retired as a result of the damage it took in the 2008 Indian Ocean war, which is why its replacement was built.

JudgeKing February 23rd, 2012 01:02 PM

I made some modifications to the list and made notes of the changes.

Ming777 February 23rd, 2012 05:22 PM

There is one thing missing. TheMann stated that the RAN had ordered 6 Calgary Class Guided Missile Frigates Here:

http://www.alternatehistory.com/disc...postcount=3148

JudgeKing February 23rd, 2012 05:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Ming777 (Post 5686261)
There is one thing missing. TheMann stated that the RAN had ordered 6 Calgary Class Guided Missile Frigates Here:

http://www.alternatehistory.com/disc...postcount=3148

There, I've corrected that. By the way, what did you think of my solution for dealing with the Clemenceau, Colbert, and Des Moines retcons?

marcus_aurelius February 23rd, 2012 07:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Ming777 (Post 5686261)
There is one thing missing. TheMann stated that the RAN had ordered 6 Calgary Class Guided Missile Frigates Here:

http://www.alternatehistory.com/disc...postcount=3148

How about (in no particular order):

HMAS Ajax
HMAS Argonaut
HMAS Agamemnon
HMAS Achilles
HMAS Aurora
HMAS Andromeda (?)

Marc A

JudgeKing March 12th, 2012 05:01 PM

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Originally Posted by TheMann (Post 5683991)
2) I only have the Sirius in In Defense of Humanity because the RFA Stromness, which later became USNS Sirius, was one of the ships that reported to the Gathering Order in the Doomsday TL.

You do realize that I was referring to this HMAS Sirius right? Also, should I assume that the Mitsubishi F-10 Vision (that you mentioned on post 743) is a 5th generation fighter?

TheMann March 12th, 2012 07:50 PM

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Originally Posted by JudgeKing (Post 5763843)
You do realize that I was referring to this HMAS Sirius right?

I did later realize that, yes.

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Originally Posted by JudgeKing (Post 5763843)
Also, should I assume that the Mitsubishi F-10 Vision (that you mentioned on post 743) is a 5th generation fighter?

That is correct as well. The F-10 is a mid-sized (about F/A-18-sized) fighter, single seat and twin engines, with its IHI engines provide almost ridiculous engine power (with afterburners, the F-10 has a thrust-weight ratio of over 1.5) and the F-10 uses fly-by-optics, using fiberoptic cables to replace wires in the flying systems.

JudgeKing March 23rd, 2012 01:24 PM

Hey TheMann, can we get some statistics for Canada in 2012?

By the way, here are some specs I made for the HMCS Eagle. It could probably use some more work though.

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HMCS Eagle (CV-23)

Rebuilt: May 24, 1973
Rebuilders: Saint John Shipbuilding
Launch: August 26, 1975
Commissioned: January 18, 1976

Crew: 1,520

Dimensions
*Length: 835.8 feet (254.75 meters)
*Beam: 171 feet (52.12 meters)
*Draught: 36 feet (10.97 meters)

Displacement: 55,000 tons

Power Plant: 4 shaft geared steam turbines, 8 Boilers (174,800 shp)
Maximum Speed: 33.4 Knots (39.24 Mile/Hour) (63.15 Kilometers/Hour)

Sensor Suite
*AN/SPS-48E 3D Air Search Radar
*AN/SPS-49 2D Air Search Radar
*AN/SPQ-9 Target Acquisition Radar
*AN/SPN-46 Air Traffic Control Radar
*AN/SLQ-32 electronic warfare system

Armament
*2 x 8-cell Mark 25 Missile Launchers
*4 x 20mm Phalanx CIWS Block IB

Air Wing
*20 x CF-187A Corsair II (attack fighter)
*18 x CF-188A Hornet (multirole fighter)
*2 x CE-2C Hawkeye (airborne radar)
*4 x CP-121 Tracker (carrier based maritime patrol)
*2 x CH-124 Sea King (ASW helicopter)

Features
*3 steam catapults (salvaged from retired Essex-class carriers)
*12 degree angled flight deck
*Anechoic tiles
*Computerized propulsion controls
*Modernized electronics and radars
*Much improved HVAC systems

marcus_aurelius April 23rd, 2012 07:01 PM

Bit of a late bump, but is Avro Canada resurrected ITTL?

Marc A

FgenLuke April 23rd, 2012 07:23 PM

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Originally Posted by marcus_aurelius (Post 5954259)
Bit of a late bump, but is Avro Canada resurrected ITTL?

Marc A

Errrr... I dont think so.

There was talk of it, but it was laughed off. The Crossbow was created instead.

Ming777 April 23rd, 2012 07:44 PM

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Originally Posted by FgenLuke (Post 5954349)
Errrr... I dont think so.

There was talk of it, but it was laughed off. The Crossbow was created instead.

Avro Canada as a company might be around, but definitely not the Arrow.

marcus_aurelius April 23rd, 2012 08:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Ming777 (Post 5954421)
Avro Canada as a company might be around, but definitely not the Arrow.

Yeah, the company is what I meant. Sadly the Arrow will only live in our memories... and TTL's AH.com, of course. :(:p

Marc A

JudgeKing April 26th, 2012 05:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by marcus_aurelius (Post 5954259)
Bit of a late bump, but is Avro Canada resurrected ITTL?

Marc A

Quote:

Originally Posted by FgenLuke (Post 5954349)
Errrr... I dont think so.

There was talk of it, but it was laughed off. The Crossbow was created instead.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ming777 (Post 5954421)
Avro Canada as a company might be around, but definitely not the Arrow.

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Originally Posted by marcus_aurelius (Post 5954686)
Yeah, the company is what I meant. Sadly the Arrow will only live in our memories... and TTL's AH.com, of course. :(:p

Marc A

Even though Avro Canada doesn't exist anymore, it's spiritual successor is North American Avro Aerospace which worked with Bombardier in the design of the CF-190 Crossbow.

Astronomo2010 May 5th, 2012 11:57 AM

well i just fininished reding this timeline, its quite amazing, but one thing i found is missing,since NASA And ESA plan that by 2018, 2020 Moon exploration will be on full titl, A Moonbase , exploration of new materials, exploration and ming of asteroids, by 2030 , 2035, Mars mission , to estabelish 1st base, and so on, in this timeline you missed this achivements. Lets see what will happend in the future .

Simreeve May 5th, 2012 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by TheMann (Post 3052051)
I thought about that, but rejected it on the grounds that Argentina's Air Force was woefully unprepared and many other conditions favored the Brits.

New Zealand temporarily took over providing a guardship for Hong Kong, thus freeing up an extra RN frigate for deployment to the conflict. Maybe Canada could temporarily have replaced the friagte that I suspect we had in the Caribbean then, likewise?

JudgeKing May 14th, 2012 02:09 PM

TheMann, can you complete the 2030 RCN Fleet Air Arm? Here's what I managed to get so far.

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Royal Canadian navy Fleet Air Arm 2030
- Bombardier/Grumman CF-184D Supercat multirole air superiority fighter (66)
- Eurofighter GmbH CF-185 Typhoon multirole fighter (72)
- Boeing CE-188G Growler electronic warfare aircraft (12)
- Lockheed Martin CF-16K Viper attack fighter (72)

- Viking Air CC-115NV Viking carrier based transport (12)
- Viking Air CE-115NVE Viking Farsight airborne early warning (16)
- Viking Air CC-132 Dash-7 Trident maritime patrol (18)
- Bombardier CP-207 Argus II maritime patrol (36)

- Bell Textron / Boeing IDS CV-192 Osprey transport / rescue tiltrotor aircraft (40)
- Bombardier CA-200 Scorpion attack tiltrotor aircraft (24)

- Boeing IDS CH-147F Chinook heavy-transport helicopter (24)
- Sikorsky CH-148 Cyclone multirole helicopter (56)
- AugustaWestland CH-149 Comorant search and rescue helicopter (24)
- NH Industries / Bombardier CH-151 Vulcan multirole helicopter (56)
- Eurocopter / RIM CH-165 Iroquois armed reconnaissance helicopter (16)

marcus_aurelius December 10th, 2012 07:49 PM

This is the long-overdue bump for CANUCK AWESOMENESS!

Marc A

Ming777 December 10th, 2012 09:15 PM

The problem is that we've gone so far into the future, it is hard to consider what would happen in this case.

FgenLuke December 10th, 2012 10:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Ming777 (Post 7013042)
The problem is that we've gone so far into the future, it is hard to consider what would happen in this case.

We could just make stuff up. We are far enough in the future.

If well planned nearly anything is possible, as with time anything can change.

marcus_aurelius December 10th, 2012 11:04 PM

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Originally Posted by FgenLuke (Post 7013397)
We could just make stuff up. We are far enough in the future.

If well planned nearly anything is possible, as with time anything can change.

This. Climate change should be getting into gear by now. Would be nice to see the world react to that. And some more space stuff, perhaps? *cough* Moon colony *cough* :p:D

Or, you know, Yellowstone... :eek::cool:

Marc A

JudgeKing February 15th, 2013 03:17 PM

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Luo's arrest also led to a boat used by human traffickers, the Future Transport, being intercepted off Vancouver Island by destroyer HMCS British Columbia and British frigate HMS Bloodhound, which had been on its way to a port visit in Vancouver and assisted British Columbia's interdiction.
TheMann, is the Bloodhound a Type 26 frigate? If it is, can we get a complete unit run for the Type 26 ITTL?

Also, you mentioned that Germany had half a dozen destroyers in its navy? Would this an acceptable unit run?
BMS Mackensen (D188)
BMS Derflinger (D189)
BMS Prinz Eugen (D190)
BMS Graf Spee (D191)
BMS Lützow (D192)
BMS Seydlitz (D193)

JudgeKing February 26th, 2013 01:56 PM

Here's a modified OOB for 2030 Canada. I noticed the original GDP ($2.752 trillion) was too low (OTL Canada is expected to have a GDP of 2.117 trillion in 2017) so I increased the GDP. I've also added an increased number of vessels to the RCN roster.

Canada Statistics
Name: Dominion of Canada
Independence (from Great Britain): July 1, 1867 (Constitution Repatriated September 21, 1982)
Capital: Ottawa
Divisions: Ten Provinces and Four Territories
Government Type: Parliamentary Democracy, a federation under the Commonwealth Crown
Suffrage: 18 years of age, universal
Head of State: King William V (since April 24, 2020, represented by Governor General Mark Lazaridis since July 22, 2027)
Head of Government: Prime Minister Laurel Broten, MP

Population (As of January 1, 2030): 54,171,672
Median Age: 34.5 years (men), 37.9 years (women)
Population Growth Rate (2028): 1.081%
Birth Rate (2028): 11.35 births/1000 population
Death Rate (2028): 7.69 deaths/1000 population
Net Migration Rate (2028): 6.10 migrants/1000 population

Life Expectancy at Birth: 86.75 years
Total Fertility Rate (2027-28): 2.07 children/woman
HIV/AIDS cases (2030): 155,000

Ethnic Groups (2030): British Isles origin 20.4%, French origin 12.1%, other European 20.8%, Amerindian 1.7%, other (mostly Asian, African, Arab) 19.8%, mixed background 25.2%
Languages (2030): English (official) 56.4%, French (official) 20.7%, other 22.9%
Literacy (2030): 99%
Education Expenditures (2030): 6.4% of GDP

GDP (Jan 2030): $3.42 Trillion CAD ($3.502 Trillion USD)
GDP Growth Rate (2029-30): 2.1%
GDP per Capita (Jan 2030): $63,132.63 CAD

GDP composition by sector: 1.6% Agriculture, 31.3% industry, 67.1% services
Labor Force: 40.2 million
Unemployment Rate (Jan 2030): 4.3%
Population below Poverty Line: 6.9%
GINI Index Score: 31.5
Investment (gross fixed, 2030): 29.2% of GDP
Public Debt (% of GDP, 2030): 40.5%

Agricultural Products: Wheat, barley, oilseed, fruits, vegetables; dairy products; forest products; fish; wine and alcoholic beverages; ethanol and fuel alcohol
Industries: transportation equipment, chemicals, processed and unprocessed minerals, food products, steel and aluminum, wood and paper products, fish products, petroleum and natural gas, shipbuilding, consumer electronics, automobiles and motor vehicles, telecommunications equipment and media, aerospace products
Industrial Production Growth Rate (2029): 1.3%

Oil Reserves: 159.5 billion bbl
Natural Gas Reserves: 2.05 trillion cu m

Exports (2029): $860.3 Billion
Export Products: Motor vehicles and parts, industrial machinery, aircraft, telecommunications equipment, vessels and ships; chemicals, plastics, fertilizers; wood pulp, timber, crude petroleum and refined fuels, natural gas, electricity, refined and recycled aluminum; consumer electronics, communications devices and telecommunications technology
Imports (2029): $652.2 Billion
Import Products: machinery and equipment, motor vehicles and parts, chemicals, electricity, durable consumer goods
Primary Trade Partners: United States, China, Great Britain, Japan, Korea, Australia, France, Germany, Mexico, Brazil, South Africa

Canadian Army
Active Duty Personnel: 76,450
Reserve Personnel: 78,600
Special Forces and Airborne Regiment Personnel: 3,100
Active Duty Armor Regiments: 6
Active Duty Infantry Battalions: 18
Active Duty Installations: 19 (Chiliwack, Edmonton, Gagetown, Suffield, Borden, Kingston, Petawawa, Montreal, Valcartier, Kelowna, Iqaluit, West Caicos, Shilo, Meaford, Wainwright, Saint-Jean, Aldershot, Oshawa, Ottawa)

Commander of the Canadian Army: King William V
Governor-General of Canada: Mark Lazaridis
Prime Minister of Canada: Laurel Broten, MP
Defense Minister of Canada: David Mitsotakis, MP
Commanding Officer of the Canadian Army: General Allan Michaels (since November 1, 2028)
Commander of the 1st Canadian Division: Major General Rick Kamesden
Commander of the 2nd Canadian Division: Lieutenant General Christopher Littlechild
Commander of the Canadian SAS: Colonel Mark Wydmore

Organization
Active Duty Units
- 1st Canadian Division (Division base at CFB Edmonton)
-- 1st Canadian Armored Brigade Group (CFB Edmonton)
--- 1 CABG Headquarters and Signal Squadron
--- Lord Strathcona's Horse (Royal Canadians)
--- Royal Canadian Dragoons
--- 1st Regiment, Royal Canadian Horse Artillery
--- 1 Combat Engineer Regiment
--- 1st Battalion, Princess Patricia's Canadian Light Infantry
--- 2nd Battalion, Princess Patricia's Canadian Light Infantry
--- 1 Company, 4th Air Defense Regiment, Royal Canadian Artillery
-- 3rd Canadian Mechanized Brigade Group (CFB Shilo)
--- 3 CMBG Headquarters and Signal Squadron
--- 8th Canadian Hussars
--- 1st (Halifax-Dartmouth) Field Regiment, Royal Canadian Artillery
--- 6 Combat Engineer Regiment
--- 1st Battalion, The Canadian Grenadier Guards
--- 2nd Battalion, The Canadian Grenadier Guards
--- 1st Battalion, 48th Highlanders of Canada
--- 3 Company, 4th Air Defense Regiment, Royal Canadian Artillery
-- 6th Canadian Mechanized Brigade Group (CFB Chilliwack)
--- 6 CMBG Headquarters and Signal Squadron
--- The British Columbia Regiment (RCAC)
--- 2nd Field Regiment, Royal Canadian Artillery
--- 3 Combat Engineer Regiment
--- 1st Battalion, Royal Highland Regiment of Canada
--- 1st Battalion, Royal Highland Fusiliers of Canada
--- 1st Battalion, The Calgary Highlanders
--- 3 Company, 5th (British Columbia) Air Defense Regiment, Royal Canadian Artillery
- 2nd Canadian Division (Division Base at CFB Valcartier)
-- 2nd Canadian Mechanized Brigade Group (CFB Borden)
--- 2 CMBG Headquarters and Signal Squadron
--- Ontario Armored Regiment (RCAC)
--- 2nd Regiment, Royal Canadian Horse Artillery
--- 2 Combat Engineer Regiment
--- 1st Battalion, Royal Canadian Regiment
--- 2nd Battalion, Royal Canadian Regiment
--- 3rd Battalion, Royal Canadian Regiment
--- 2 Company, 5th (British Columbia) Air Defense Regiment, Royal Canadian Artillery
-- 4th Canadian Light Infantry Brigade Group (CFB Petawawa)
--- 4 CLIBG Headquarters and Signal Squadron
--- 7th (Toronto) Regiment, Royal Canadian Horse Artillery
--- 7 Combat Engineer Regiment
--- 1st Battalion, Les Voltigeurs de Quebec
--- 2nd Battalion, Les Voltigeurs de Quebec
--- 3rd Battalion, Les Voltigeurs de Quebec
--- 1st Battalion, The Brockville Rifles
--- 2 Company, 4th Air Defense Regiment, Royal Canadian Artillery
-- 5th Canadian Mechanized Brigade Group (CFB Valcartier)
--- 5 CMBG Headquarters and Signal Squadron
--- 12th Armored Regiment of Canada
--- 5th Light Artillery Regiment of Canada
--- 5 Combat Engineer Regiment
--- 1st Battalion, Royal 22nd Regiment
--- 2nd Battalion, Royal 22nd Regiment
--- 3rd Battalion, Royal 22nd Regiment
--- 1 Company, 5th (British Columbia) Air Defense Regiment, Royal Canadian Artillery
- 1st Canadian Airborne Regiment (CFB Edmonton)
-- 1st Battalion
-- 2nd Battalion
-- 3rd Battalion
- 2nd Canadian Parachute Regiment (CFB Petawawa)
-- 1st Battalion
-- 2nd Battalion
-- 3rd Battalion
- 1st Canadian Special Air Service (CFB Smiths Falls)
-- 1st Platoon, Canadian SAS
--- 1 Squadron "Icemen"
--- 2 Squadron "Airmen"
--- 3 Squadron "Metal Monsters"
--- 4 Squadron "Water Warriors"
-- 2nd Platoon, Canadian SAS
--- 1 Squadron "Nightmares"
--- 2 Squadron "Victors"
--- 3 Squadron "Immortals"
--- 4 Squadron "Challengers"
- Nunavut Defense Force (CFB Iqaluit)
-- 1st Battalion (CFB Iqaluit)
-- 2nd Battalion (CFB Resolute)
- Disaster Alert Response Team (CFB Trenton)
-- DART Team Headquarters and Signals Companies
-- 1 Engineer Company
-- 2 Medical Company
-- 3 Security Company
-- 4 Search and Rescue Platoon
-- 5 Logistics Company
- Canadian Rangers (CFB Iqaluit)
-- Canadian Rangers Companies (Companies One through Eighty-Five)
- Canadian Forces Medical Service (CFB Ottawa)
-- 1 Medical Company
-- 2 Medical Company
-- 3 Medical Company
-- 4 Medical Company
-- 5 Medical Company
-- 6 Medical Company
Ready Reserve Units
- 3rd Canadian Division (CFB Kingston)
-- 31 Canadian Brigade Group (London, Ontario)
--- 31 CBG Headquarters and Signal Squadron
--- The Windsor Regiment (RCAC)
--- 4th Battalion, Royal Canadian Regiment
--- 1st Battalion, The Royal Hamilton Light Infantry
--- 1st Battalion, The Lincoln and Welland Regiment
--- 2nd Battalion, The Lincoln and Welland Regiment
--- 1st Battalion, The Essex and Kent Regiment
--- 11th Field Regiment, Royal Canadian Artillery
--- 56th Field Regiment, Royal Canadian Artillery
--- 31 Combat Engineer Regiment
--- 31 Medical Company, CFMS
-- 32 Canadian Brigade Group (Toronto, Ontario)
--- 32 CBG Headquarters and Signal Squadron
--- The Governor General's Horse Guards
--- The Queen's York Rangers
--- 8th Toronto Regiment, Royal Canadian Artillery
--- 32 Combat Engineer Regiment
--- 1st Battalion, The Queen's Own Rifles of Canada
--- 1st Battalion, The Royal Regiment of Canada
--- 1st Battalion, The Grey and Simcoe Foresters
--- 1st Battalion, The Toronto Scottish Regiment
--- 1st Battalion, The Durham Regiment
--- 32 Medical Company, CFMS
-- 33 Canadian Brigade Group (Ottawa, Ontario)
--- 33 CBG Headquarters and Signal Squadron
--- The Southern Ontario Armored Regiment
--- 1st Battalion, Governor General's Foot Guards
--- 1st Battalion, The Princess of Wales' Own Regiment
--- 1st Battalion, The Hastings and Prince Edward Regiment
--- 1st Battalion, Stormont, Dundas and Glengarry Highlanders
--- 1st Battalion, The Cameron Highlanders of Ottawa
--- 1st Battalion, The Algonquin Regiment
--- 2nd Battalion, Irish Regiment of Canada
--- 30th Field Artillery Regiment, Royal Canadian Artillery
--- 49th (Sault Ste. Marie) Field Artillery Regiment, Royal Canadian Artillery
--- 33 Combat Engineer Regiment
--- 33 Medical Company, CFMS
- 4th Canadian Division (CFB Valcartier)
-- 34 Canadian Brigade Group (Montreal, Quebec)
--- 34 CBG Headquarters and Signals Group
--- The Royal Canadian Hussars (Montreal)
--- The Hull Regiment (RCAC)
--- 4th Battalion, Royal 22nd Regiment
--- 6th Battalion, Royal 22nd Regiment
--- 1st Battalion, The 85th Infantry Regiment (Le Régiment de Maisonneuve)
--- 1st Battalion, The Mount Royal Fusiliers
--- 2nd Battalion, The Mount Royal Fusiliers
--- 1st Battalion, The Royal Montreal Regiment
--- 4th Field Artillery Regiment, Royal Canadian Artillery
--- 34 Combat Engineer Regiment
--- 34 Medical Company, CFMS
-- 35 Canadian Brigade Group (Quebec City, Quebec)
--- 35 CBG Headquarters and Signals Group
--- The Sherbrooke Hussars
--- Le Régiment de la Chaudière
--- Le Régiment du Saguenay--- The Sherbrooke Fusiliers
--- The Saint-Laurent Fusiliers
--- 3rd Battalion, Les Voltigeurs de Quebec
--- 6th Field Artillery Regiment, Royal Canadian Artillery
--- 62nd Field Artillery Regiment, Royal Canadian Artillery
--- 35 Combat Engineer Regiment
--- 35 Medical Company, CFMS
- 5th Canadian Division (CFB Halifax)
-- 36 Canadian Brigade Group (Halifax, Nova Scotia)
--- 36 CBG Headquarters and Signals Group
--- The Halifax Rifles (RCAC)
--- The Prince Edward Island Regiment (RCAC)
--- 15th Field Artillery, Royal Canadian Artillery
--- 84th Independent Field Battery, Royal Canadian Artillery
--- 1st Battalion, The Nova Scotia Highlanders
--- 2nd Battalion, The Nova Scotia Highlanders
--- 1st Battalion, The Princess Louise Fusiliers
--- 1st Battalion, The West Nova Scotia Regiment
--- 45 Engineer Squadron
--- 36 Medical Company, CFMS
-- 37 Canadian Brigade Group (Moncton, New Brunswick)
--- 37 CBG Headquarters and Signals Group
--- The Atlantic Armored Regiment
--- 25th Field Artillery, Royal Canadian Artillery
--- 1st Battalion, The Royal New Brunswick Regiment
--- 2nd Battalion, The Royal New Brunswick Regiment
--- 1st Battalion, The Royal Newfoundland Regiment
--- 2nd Battalion, The Royal Newfoundland Regiment
--- 56 Engineer Squadron
--- 37 Medical Company, CFMS
- 6th Canadian Division (CFB Cold Lake)
-- 38 Canadian Brigade Group (Winnipeg, Manitoba)
--- 38 CBG Headquarters and Signals Group
--- The Saskatchewan Dragoons
--- The Fort Garry Horse
--- 1st Battalion, The Royal Regina Rifles
--- 1st Battalion, The North Saskatchewan Rifles
--- 1st Battalion, The Royal Winnipeg Rifles
--- 1st Battalion, The Lake Superior Scottish Regiment
--- 10th Field Artillery Regiment, Royal Canadian Artillery
--- 26th Field Artillery Regiment, Royal Canadian Artillery
--- 116th Independent Field Battery
--- 31 Field Engineer Squadron
--- 38 Medical Company, CFMS
-- 39 Canadian Brigade Group (Vancouver, British Columbia)
--- 39 CBG Headquarters and Signals Group
--- The British Columbia Dragoons
--- 15th Field Regiment, Royal Canadian Artillery
--- 1st Battalion, The Rocky Mountain Rangers
--- 1st Battalion, The Royal Westminister Regiment
--- 1st Battalion, The Seaforth Highlanders of Canada
--- 1st Battalion, The Canadian Scottish Regiment (British Columbia)
--- 39 Field Engineer Squadron
--- 39 Medical Company, CFMS
-- 41 Canadian Brigade Group (Calgary, Alberta)
--- 41 CBG Headquarters and Signals Group
--- The South Alberta Light Horse
--- The King's Own Calgary Regiment (RCAC)
--- 3rd Battalion, Princess Patricia's Canadian Light Infantry
--- 4th Battalion, Princess Patricia's Canadian Light Infantry
--- 2nd Battalion, The Calgary Highlanders
--- 20th Field Regiment, Royal Canadian Artillery
--- 18th Regiment, Royal Canadian Artillery
--- 41 Combat Engineer Regiment
--- 41 Medical Company, CFMS

Vehicles and Equipment
Armored Fighting Vehicles
- Krauss-Maffei Leopard 2A6CA main battle tank (315)
- Iveco-Fiat / Vektris Engineering Centauro 120/45 wheeled tank destroyer (157)
- BAE Systems Bofors CV9040 infantry fighting vehicle (286)
- BAE Systems / Magna Tyranus R2 8-wheel armored personnel carrier (2,547)
- BAE Systems / Magna Tyranus R2+ 10-wheel armored personnel carrier (469)
- General Dynamics LAV III armored personnel carrier (325)
- Magna Defense / BAE Systems M113/MTVLA armored personnel carrier (243)
- BAE Systems AAV-7A1V2 amphibious assault vehicle (65)
- BAE Systems RG-34 Nyala-IV mine-protected vehicle (284)
- BAE Systems / Magna Defense Buffalo A2 mine-protected vehicle (52)
Artillery
- Denel Land Systems / Magna Defense G6-60 self-propelled 155mm artillery (130)
- Magna Defense / BAE Systems M777 Snowblind truck-mounted 155mm artillery (172)
- GIAT Industries LG1 Mark II 105mm towed artillery (65)
Specialist Vehicles
- Rheinmetall / Magna Defense LAV III MMEV short-range air defense / anti-tank vehicle (80)
- Aardvark JSFU Mark 4 mine-clearing vehicle (14)
- Krauss-Maffei / Magna Defense ARV 3M Buffalo armored recovery vehicle (24)
- Krauss-Maffei / Magna Defense ARV Taurus armored recovery vehicle (16)
- Krauss-Maffei / Magna Defense AEV 3 Badger armored engineering vehicle (21)
- Krauss-Maffei / Magna Defense AVLB 3 Beaver armored bridge-laying vehicle (21)
- Oskhosh / GM Defense HETS Battlestar recovery vehicle (90)
- Komatsu Galion 850 Series road grader (22)
- Caterpillar D9 armored bulldozer (30)
- KMK 2025 Series mobile crane (26)
- Caterpillar 325C tracked excavator (44)
- GM Defense / Vektris Engineering WPCU Mark 3 water purification vehicle (55)
- General Dynamics / Research in Motion LAV III TRILS radar location and tracking system (8)
- General Dynamics / Research in Motion LAV III AERIES electronic warfare and jamming vehicle (30)
Transport and Utility Vehicles
- GM Defense MILCOTS Sierra light utility vehicle (5,059)
- Vektris Engineering / Mercedes-Benz W467 G-Wagen light utility vehicle (1,588)
- BAE Systems / Navistar JLTV light tactical vehicle (511)
- Navistar / Magna Defense 7000-MV MLVW medium logistics vehicle (2,712)
- Bombardier HLVW heavy logistics vehicle (1,925)
- Oshkosk / GM Defense M1070 TTVW tractor-trailer heavy transport vehicle (750 trucks + 3000 trailers)
- Bombardier / Mercedes-Benz Astros AHSVS heavy vehicle transport system (155)
- BAE Systems Bandvagn 206 tracked all-terrain vehicle (148)
Small Arms
- Diemaco C7/C8 (5.56mm assault rifle, variant of the Colt M16A2, C8 is the carbine version)
- Para-Ordinance C10 (7.62mm assault rifle, license-produced FN SCAR-H)
- Diemaco C11 (5.56mm bullpup assault rifle, variant of Vektor CR-21, used by Special Forces)
- TDI Vector (.45 caliber submachine gun, used by Special Forces)
- Diemaco C9 LMG (5.56mm light machine gun, variant of FN Minimi)
- Para-Ordinance C12 (7.62mm machine gun, variant of H&K MG4)
- Diemaco M2HB (12.7mm machine gun, variant of M2 Browning)
- Remington 870 (12-gauge pump-action shotgun)
- Para-Ordinance Model 12-16 (semi-automatic shotgun, heavily-modified Pancor Jackhammer design)
- PGW Defense C14 Timberwolf (7.62mm sniper rifle)
- Cheytac Intervention (.408 caliber long-range sniper rifle)
- MacMillan TAC-50 (.50 caliber anti-material rifle)
- Browning / Inglis / Diemaco Hi-Power (9mm semi-automatic pistol)
- Glock / Diemaco 17C (9mm semi-automatic pistol)
Personnel Weapons
- Raytheon / RIM FIM-92 Stinger (man-portable surface to air missile system)
- Vektris / MBDA ERYX (short-range anti-tank missile)
- Raytheon FGM-148 Javelin (long-range anti-tank missile)
- Saab Bofors Dynamics AT4-CS (anti-tank rocket)
- Vektris / Saab Bofors Dynamics M3 Carl Gustav (84mm recoilless rifle)
- Vektor Y3 AGL (40mm automatic grenade launcher)
- Diemaco C16 (40mm semi-automatic grenade launcher, variant of Milkor MGL)

Royal Canadian Air Force
Active Duty Personnel: 47,275
Reserve Personnel: 25,120
Active Squadrons: 67
Active Combat Aircraft: 301
Active Transport Aircraft: 132
Active Helicopters and Tiltrotors: 388
Active Bases: 15

Commander of the Canadian Army: King William V
Governor-General of Canada: Mark Lazaridis
Prime Minister of Canada: Laurel Broten, MP
Defense Minister of Canada: David Mitsotakis, MP
Commanding Officer of the Royal Canadian Air Force: Air Chief Marshal Stephen Vaughan
Commander of the RCAF Fighter Command: Air Marshal Geoffrey Sahalima
Commander of the RCAF Transport Command: Air Vice-Marshal David Parker

Organization
- 1 Wing Kingston
-- 401 Tactical Helicopter Squadron (CH-151 Vulcan)
-- 403 Helicopter Operational Training Squadron (CH-146 Griffon, CH-139 JetRanger)
-- 408 Tactical Helicopter Squadron (CH-151 Vulcan)
-- 427 Special Operations Aviation Squadron (CH-158 Pave Low VII, CH-146 Griffon, CA-200 Scorpion)
-- 430 Tactical Helicopter Squadron (CH-151 Vulcan)
-- 438 "City of Montreal" Tactical Helicopter Squadron (CH-151 Vulcan)
-- 477 Attack Tiltrotor Squadron (CA-200 Scorpion)
- 2 Wing Toronto Downsview
-- 436 Transport Squadron (CC-230 Bison, CC-176 Airmaster)
-- 445 "City of Toronto" Reconnaissance Helicopter Squadron (CH-165 Iroquois)
-- 463 Heavy Helicopter Squadron (CH-147F Chinook)
- 3 Wing Bagotville
-- 406 Attack Fighter Squadron (CF-16K Viper)
-- 407 Strike Fighter Squadron (CF-190 Crossbow)
-- 425 Tactical Fighter Squadron (CF-185 Typhoon)
-- 439 Combat Support Squadron (CH-151 Vulcan, CH-146 Griffon)
-- 441 Airborne Early Warning Squadron (CE-194B Galaxy Atlas)
- 4 Wing Cold Lake
-- 409 Tactical Fighter Squadron (CF-185 Typhoon)
-- 410 Tactical Fighter Training Squadron (CF-185 Typhoon, CF-16K Viper)
-- 411 Strike Fighter Squadron (CF-190 Crossbow)
-- 417 Combat Support Squadron (CH-151 Vulcan, CH-146 Griffon)
-- 419 Tactical Fighter Training Squadron (CT-155 Hawk, CT-156 Harvard II)
-- 443 Airborne Early Warning Squadron (CE-194B Galaxy Atlas)
-- 451 Aerial Refueling Squadron (CC-160 Arcturus)
-- 480 Heavy Bomber Squadron (CB-1R Lancer)
-- 481 Reconnaissance Helicopter Squadron (CH-165 Iroquois)
-- 665 "Detectives" Intelligence Squadron (CE-196A Sentinel)
- 5 Wing Goose Bay
-- 422 Tactical Fighter Squadron (CF-185 Typhoon)
-- 444 Combat Support Squadron (CH-151 Vulcan, CH-146 Griffon)
- 7 Wing Ottawa
-- 400 VIP Transport Squadron (CC-194V Ambassador)
-- 412 VIP Transport Squadron (CC-166 Challenger 2)
-- 414 Aerial Reconnaissance Squadron (CC-150 Polaris Open Skies)
-- 416 Tactical Fighter Squadron (CF-185 Typhoon)
-- 455 Transport Squadron (CC-144 Challenger)
- 8 Wing Trenton
-- 424 Rescue Squadron (CC-115NV Buffalo SAR, CV-192 Osprey, CH-149 Comorant)
-- 426 Transport Training Squadron (CT-132 Dash 7, CT-142 Dash 8)
-- 429 Transport Squadron (CC-204 Titan)
-- 432 Transport Squadron (CC-177 Globemaster III)
-- 436 Transport Squadron (CC-230 Bison, CC-176 Airmaster)
-- 437 Transport Squadron (CC-150 Polaris, CC-130J Hercules)
-- 450 Aerial Refueling Squadron (CC-160 Arcturus)
-- 454 Transport Squadron (CC-176 Airmaster)
-- 664 "Observers" Intelligence Squadron (CE-196A Sentinel)
- 9 Wing Gander
-- 103 Search and Rescue Squadron (CC-115NV Buffalo SAR, CV-192 Osprey, CH-149 Comorant)
- 10 Wing Abbotsford
-- 104 Search and Rescue Squadron (CC-115NV Buffalo SAR, CV-192 Osprey, CH-149 Comorant)
-- 442 Airborne Early Warning Squadron (CE-194B Galaxy Atlas)
-- 446 Transport Squadron (CC-204 Titan)
-- 447 Strike Fighter Squadron (CF-190 Crossbow)
-- 448 Tactical Fighter Squadron (CF-185 Typhoon)
-- 449 Attack Fighter Squadron (CF-16K Viper)
-- 452 Aerial Refueling Squadron (CC-160 Arcturus)
-- 462 Heavy Helicopter Squadron (CH-147F Chinook)
- 11 Wing Moose Jaw
-- 431 "Snowbirds" Air Demonstration Squadron (CF-188 Hornet)
-- 502 Aircraft Training Squadron (CT-156 Harvard II)
- 12 Wing Shearwater
-- 453 Aerial Refueling Squadron (CC-160 Arcturus)
-- 460 Strike Fighter Squadron (CF-190 Crossbow)
-- 461 Attack Fighter Squadron (CF-16K Viper)
-- 470 Transport Squadron (CC-132 Dash 7)
- 14 Wing Greenwood
-- 404 Transport Squadron (CC-176 Airmaster)
-- 405 Transport Squadron (CC-150 Polaris)
-- 413 Transport and Rescue Squadron (CC-130J Hercules, CV-192 Osprey, CH-149 Comorant)
- 16 Wing Borden
-- 474 Reconnaissance Helicopter Squadron (CH-165 Iroquois)
-- 475 Reconnaissance Helicopter Squadron (CH-165 Iroquois)
-- 476 Attack Tiltrotor Squadron (CA-200 Scorpion)
-- 478 Attack Tiltrotor Squadron (CA-200 Scorpion)
-- 485 Aerial Gunship Squadron (CA-130 Vampire)
- 17 Wing Winnipeg
-- 402 "City of Winnipeg" Transport and Training Squadron (CC-132/CT-132 Dash 7)
-- 435 Transport and Rescue Squadron (CC-115NV Buffalo SAR, CV-192 Osprey, CH-149 Comorant)
-- 440 Transport Squadron (CC-115NV Buffalo SAR, CV-192 Osprey, CH-149 Comorant)
- 22 Wing North Bay
-- 500 Airspace Monitoring Squadron
-- 501 Canada NORAD Air Defense Headquarters
Aircraft, Vehicles and Equipment
Combat Aircraft
- Boeing IDS / Bombardier CB-1R Lancer strategic bomber (12)
- Lockheed Martin / Vektris Engineering CA-130 Vampire fixed-wing gunship (5)
- Eurofighter GmbH CF-185 Typhoon multirole fighter (96)
- Boeing IDS / Bombardier CF-188 Hornet multirole fighter (18)
- Bombardier CF-190 Crossbow strike fighter (84)
- Lockheed Martin CF-216K Viper attack fighter (104)
Specialized Aircraft
- Viking Air CC-115NVR Viking search and rescue aircraft (22)
- Airbus / Bombardier CC-150OS Open Skies aerial photography aircraft (3)
- BAE Systems CT-155 Hawk 115 advanced trainer aircraft (25)
- Raytheon CT-156 Harvard II trainer aircraft (52)
- Bombardier / IAI CE-194B Galaxy Atlas airborne radar aircraft (10)
- Raytheon / Bombardier CE-196A Sentinel battlefield management aircraft (8)
Transport Aircraft
- Lockheed Martin CC-130J Super Hercules tactical airlifter (19)
- Viking Air CC-132B Dash 7 transport aircraft (14)
- Airbus CC-150 Polaris tactical transporter (10)
- Airbus CC-160 Arcturus aerial refueling / transport aircraft (17)
- Bombardier CC-166 Challenger II VIP transport aircraft (6)
- Airbus CC-176 Airmaster tactical airlifter (14)
- Boeing IDS CC-177 Globemaster III strategic airlifter (6)
- Bombardier CC-194V Ambassador VIP transport aircraft (3)
- Bombardier CC-204A Titan strategic airlifter (9)
- Bombardier CC-230 Bison tactical airlifter (34)
Helicopters and Tiltrotors
- Bell CH-146 Griffon utility helicopter (52)
- Boeing IDS CH-147F Chinook heavy-transport helicopter (30)
- AgustaWestland CH-149 Comorant search and rescue helicopter (12)
- NH Industries / Bombardier CH-151 Vulcan multirole helicopter (115)
- Sikorsky / RIM CH-158 Pave Low VI armed heavy transport helicopter (18)
- Eurocopter / RIM CH-165 Iroquois armed reconnaissance helicopter (56)
- Bell Textron / Boeing IDS CV-192 Osprey transport / rescue tiltrotor aircraft (27)
- Bombardier CA-200 Scorpion attack tiltrotor aircraft (78)
 
Royal Canadian Navy
Active Personnel: 80,280
Reserve Personnel: 14,900
Canadian Marines Personnel: 7,600
Active Bases: 7 (Shearwater, Esquimault, Halifax, Comox, Iqaluit, West Caicos, Kingston)
Active Installations: 9 (Saint John, Gander, Goose Bay, Greenwood, Sault. Ste. Marie, Thunder Bay, Prince Rupert, Moosonee, Resolute)
Active Vessels: 109
Naval Fixed-Wing Aircraft: 334
Naval Helicopters: 156
Naval Tiltrotors: 64

Commander in Chief of the Canadian Forces: King William V
Governor-General of Canada: Mark Lazaridis
Prime Minister of Canada: Laurel Broten, MP
Defense Minister of Canada: David Mitsotakis, MP
Commander of Royal Canadian Navy: Admiral Michael Blake
Commander of the RCN Fleet Air Arm: Vice-Admiral William Heyland
Commander of the Canadian Marine Corps: Brigadier-General Andreas Tremblay

Organization
Active Duty Units
- Canadian Atlantic Fleet (CFB Halifax)
-- HMCS Magnificent (CVN-26) (Flagship of the Atlantic Fleet)
-- Submarine Force Atlantic
--- HMCS Landymore (SSN-886)
--- HMCS Murray (SSN-888)
--- HMCS Windsor (SSK-880)
-- Destroyer Squadron One
--- HMCS Warrior (CG-35)
--- HMCS Ontario (DDG-290)
--- HMCS Alberta (DDG-292)
--- HMCS Saskatchewan (DDG-296)
--- HMCS New Brunswick (DDG-299)
-- Frigate Squadron One
--- HMCS Halifax (FFH-330)
--- HMCS Ville de Quebec (FFH-332)
--- HMCS Montreal (FFH-336)
--- HMCS Fredericton (FFH-337)
--- HMCS Edmonton (FFH-342)
--- HMCS Saguenay (FFH-346)
--- HMCS Trois-Rivieres (FFG-349)
--- HMCS Sydney (FFG-351)
--- HMCS Bonavista (FFG-353)
--- HMCS Green Bay (FFG-354)
-- Landing Squadron Two
--- HMCS Challenge (LPD-02)
--- HMCS Vimy Ridge (LHA-04)
--- HMCS Laurentian (LKA-06)
-- Transport and Supply Squadron One
--- HMCS Lake Louise (AOR-513)
--- HMCS Baffin Island (AOR-515)
--- HMCS Titan (AO-516)
--- HMCS Ellesmere Island (AOR-519)
--- HMCS Mont Royal (AOR-522)
-- Atlantic Minesweeper and Coastal Defense Force
--- HMCS Mackenzie River (MM-712)
--- HMCS Yukon River (MM-715)
--- HMCS St. Lawrence River (MM-717)
--- HMCS Ottawa River (MM-718)
--- HMCS Columbia River (MM-721)
--- HMCS Michipicoten River (MM-722)
-- Atlantic Patrol Squadron
--- HMCS Wolf (PC-59)
--- HMCS Grizzly (PC-60)
--- HMCS Cougar (PC-61)
--- HMCS Dolphin (PC-62)
--- HMCS Heron (PC-63)
--- HMCS Swordfish (PC-66)
--- HMCS Manta ray (PC-67)
--- HMCS Albatross (PC-69)
--- HMCS Beaver (PC-70)
-- Fleet Air Arm Atlantic Division (HMCS Magnificent)
--- Carrier Air Group One
---- VFH 855 "Wolfpack" (CF-184D Supercat)
---- VFH 857 "Devil's Rejects" (CF-184D Supercat)
---- VF 880 "Gunfighters" (CF-185A Typhoon)
---- VF 881 "Blackjacks" (CF-185A Typhoon)
---- VA 810 "Hellions" (CF-16K Viper)
---- VA 813 "Chargers" (CF-16K Viper)
---- VAW 800 "Dark Knights" (CC-115NVE Viking Farsight)
---- VAQ 860 Detachment 1 "Stingrays" (CE-188G Growler)
---- HR 810 Detachment 1 "Voices" (CV-192 Osprey, CH-149 Comorant)
---- VR 842 "Suppliers" (CC-115NV Viking, CV-192 Osprey, CH-151 Vulcan)
--- Carrier Air Group Four (Atlantic Fleet Air Arm Reserve)
---- VFH 854 "Jolly Rogers" (CF-184D Supercat)
---- VF 885 "Lancers" (CF-185A Typhoon)
---- VA 814 "Warhorses" (CF-16K Viper)
---- VAW 803 "Knight Hawks" (CE-115NVE Viking Farsight)
---- HR 812 "Vigilantes" (CV-192 Osprey, CH-149 Comorant)
---- VR 843 "Special Delivery" (CC-115NV Viking, CV-192 Osprey, CH-151 Vulcan)
--- Atlantic Helicopter Squadrons (various vessels)
---- HSC 891 "Sea Knights" (CH-148 Cyclone)
---- HSC 892 "Battlecats" (CH-148 Cyclone)
---- HMH 900 "Titans" (CH-147F Chinook)
---- HMH 904 "Steelbacks" (CH-147F Chinook)
---- HMRA 910 "Islanders" (CH-165M Iroquois)
---- HMM 921 "Windwalkers" (CH-151 Vulcan)
---- HMM 924 "Dragons" (CH-151 Vulcan)
---- HMM 925 "Argonauts" (CH-151 Vulcan)
---- ATMA 940 "Strikers" (CA-200M Scorpion)
---- ATMA 942 "Gunrunners" (CA-200M Scorpion)
--- Atlantic Patrol Group (CFB Shearwater)
---- VP 871 "Peacemakers" (CP-207 Argus II)
---- VP 872 "Gladiators" (CP-207 Argus II)
---- VP 873 "Auroras" (CP-207 Argus II)
- Canadian Pacific Fleet
-- HMCS Victorious (CVN-25) (Flagship of the Canadian Pacific Fleet)
-- Submarine Force Pacific
--- HMCS Kingsmill (SSN-885)
--- HMCS Rayner (SSN-889)
--- HMCS Victoria (SSK-879)
-- Destroyer Squadron Two
--- HMCS Eagle (CG-33)
--- HMCS British Columbia (DDG-293)
--- HMCS Manitoba (DDG-294)
--- HMCS Nova Scotia (DDG-295)
--- HMCS Newfoundland (DDG-297)
-- Frigate Squadron Two
--- HMCS Vancouver (FFH-331)
--- HMCS Toronto (FFH-333)
--- HMCS Winnipeg (FFH-338)
--- HMCS St. Johns (FFH-340)
--- HMCS Kelowna (FFH-343)
--- HMCS Abbotsford (FFH-344)
--- HMCS Calgary (FFG-347)
--- HMCS Thunder Bay (FFG-348)
--- HMCS Prince George (FFG-350)
--- HMCS Brandon (FFG-352)
-- Landing Squadron One
--- HMCS Bluenose (LPD-01)
--- HMCS Terra Nova (LKA-03)
--- HMCS Juno Beach (LHA-05)
-- Transport and Supply Squadron Two
--- HMCS Rocky Mountain (AOR-511)
--- HMCS Niagara Falls (AOR-512)
--- HMCS Vancouver Island (AOR-518)
--- HMCS Avenger (AO-517)
-- Pacific Minesweeper and Coastal Defense Force
--- HMCS Fraser River (MM-713)
--- HMCS Churchill River (MM-714)
--- HMCS Rideau River (MM-716)
--- HMCS Nelson River (MM-719)
--- HMCS Skeena River (MM-720)
--- HMCS Comox River (MM-723)
-- Pacific Patrol Squadron
--- HMCS Orca (PC-55)
--- HMCS Raven (PC-56)
--- HMCS Caribou (PC-57)
--- HMCS Renard (PC-58)
--- HMCS Coyote (PC-64)
--- HMCS Wolverine (PC-65)
--- HMCS Barracuda (PC-68)
--- HMCS Seal (PC-71)
--- HMCS Beluga (PC-72)
-- Fleet Air Arm Pacific Division (HMCS Victorious)
--- Carrier Air Group Two
---- VFH 856 "Renegades" (CF-184D Supercat)
---- VFH 858 "Silver Kings" (CF-184D Supercat)
---- VF 882 "Snipers" (CF-185A Typhoon)
---- VF 883 "Sharks" (CF-185A Typhoon)
---- VA 811 "The Uninvited" (CF-16K Viper)
---- VA 812 "Sea Dragons" (CF-16K Viper)
---- VAW 801 "Tracers" (CE-115NVE Viking Farsight)
---- VAQ 860 Detachment 2 "Stingrays" (CE-188G Growler)
---- HR 811 Detachment 1 "Early Elevens" (CV-192 Osprey, CH-149 Comorant)
---- VR 841 "Haulers" (CC-115NV Viking, CV-192 Osprey, CH-151 Vulcan)
--- Carrier Air Group Three (Pacific Fleet Air Arm Reserve)
---- VFH 859 "Bandits" (CF-184D Supercat)
---- VF 884 "Rapiers" (CF-185A Typhoon)
---- VA 815 "Seahawks" (CF-16K Vipers)
---- VAW 802 "Shadows" (CE-115NVE Viking Farsight)
---- HR 813 "Expeditions" (CV-192 Osprey, CH-149 Comorant)
---- VR 840 "Watchmen" (CC-115NV Viking, CV-192 Osprey, CH-151 Vulcan)
--- Pacific Helicopter Squadrons (various vessels)
---- HSC 893 "Grandmasters" (CH-148 Cyclone)
---- HSC 895 "Bloodhounds" (CH-148 Cyclone)
---- HMH 901 "Hammerheads" (CH-147F Chinook)
---- HMH 902 "Vulcans" (CH-147F Chinook)
---- HMRA 911 "World Watchers" (CH-165M Iroquois)
---- HMM 920 "Raging Bulls" (CH-151 Vulcan)
---- HMM 922 "Ace of Spades" (CH-151 Vulcan)
---- HMM 923 "Cowboys" (CH-151 Vulcan)
---- ATMA 941 "Sabres" (CA-200M Scorpion)
---- ATMA 943 "Warlords" (CA-200M Scorpion)
--- Pacific Patrol Group (CFB Comox)
---- VP 870 "Pegasus" (CP-207 Argus II)
---- VP 874 "Minutemen" (CP-207 Argus II)
---- VP 875 "Diamondcutters" (CP-207 Argus II)
- Canadian Arctic Squadron (CFB Iqaluit)
-- HMCS Bonaventure (CG-34) (Flagship of the Canadian Arctic Squadron)
-- Submarine Force Arctic
--- HMCS DeWolf (SSN-887)
--- HMCS Corner Brook (SSK-881)
--- HMCS Chicoutimi (SSK-882)
--- HMCS Swift Current (SSK-883)
--- HMCS Oshawa (SSK-890)
-- Arctic Frigate Squadron
--- HMCS Regina (FFH-334)
--- HMCS Charlottetown (FFH-339)
--- HMCS Ottawa (FFH-341)
--- HMCS Hamilton (FFH-345)
--- HMCS Iqaluit (FFG-355)
-- Arctic Icebreaker Squadron
--- HMCS Rankin Inlet (IBH-01)
--- HMCS Frobisher Bay (IBH-02)
-- Arctic Transport and Supply Squadron
--- HMCS Mount Logan (AOR-514)
--- HMCS Nunavut (AOR-520)
-- Fleet Air Arm Arctic Division
--- Arctic Helicopter Squadrons
---- HR 814 "Rescuers" (CV-192 Osprey, CH-149 Comorant)
---- HSC 894 "Vanguards" (CH-148 Cyclone)
---- HMM 926 "Killer Whales" (CH-151 Vulcan)
---- HMM 928 "Swamp Foxes" (CH-151 Vulcan)
---- HMM 929 "Rawhides" (CH-151 Vulcan)
--- Arctic Patrol Group (CFB Iqaluit)
---- VP 876 "Neptune's Raiders" (CP-207 Argus II)
---- VP 877 "Seawolves" (CP-207 Argus II)
---- VP 878 "Poseidon's Own" (CP-132 Dash 7 Trident)
---- VP 879 "Northern Lights" (CP-132 Dash 7 Trident)
- Canadian Caribbean Squadron (CFB West Caicos)
--Caribbean Destroyer Squadron
--- HMCS Quebec (DDG-291) (Flagship of the Canadian Caribbean Squadron)
--- HMCS Prince Edward Island (DDG-298)
-- Caribbean Submarine Squadron
--- HMCS London (SSK-884)
--- HMCS Sherbrooke (SSK-891)
-- Caribbean Frigate Squadron
--- HMCS Fort McMurray (FFG-356)
--- HMCS Romeo Dallaire (KG-275)
--- HMCS Terry Fox (KG-276)
--- HMCS Rick Hansen (KG-277)
--- HMCS Tommy Douglas (KG-278)
--- HMCS Rick Hillier (KG-279)
-- Caribbean Transport and Supply Squadron
--- HMCS Caicos Bank (AOR-521)
-- Fleet Air Arm Caribbean Division
--- Caribbean Helicopter Squadrons
---- HR 815 "Wild Cards" (CV-192 Osprey, CH-149 Comorant)
---- HSC 890 "Spartans" (CH-148 Cyclone)
---- HMM 927 "Broadarrows" (CH-151 Vulcan)
--- Caribbean Patrol Group
---- VP 880 "Wallbangers" (CP-207 Argus II)
---- VP 881 "Bounty Hunters" (CP-207 Argus II)
---- VP 882 "Ironmen" (CP-207 Argus II)

Royal Canadian Navy Fleet Air Arm
- Bombardier/Grumman CF-184D Supercat multirole air superiority fighter (72)
- Eurofighter GmbH CF-185 Typhoon multirole fighter (84)
- Boeing CE-188G Growler electronic warfare aircraft (12)
- Lockheed Martin CF-16K Viper attack fighter (84)
- Viking Air CC-115NV Viking carrier based transport (12)
- Viking Air CE-115NVE Viking Farsight airborne early warning (16)
- Viking Air CC-132 Dash-7 Trident maritime patrol (18)
- Bombardier CP-207 Argus II maritime patrol (36)

Peace_Monger February 27th, 2013 12:54 AM

Looks good dude but a couple of quick questions, and I'm just curious I think the outline looks amazing. One why are there assets for the Canadian Army in Kelowna BC and Oshawa Ontario but not Calgary? Back in the day CFB Calgary was the primary garrison for land forces western command; secondly what stuff that is deployed in Kelowna couldn't be deployed in Chilliwack?

Why is the former CFB London not here considering the 3rd battalion of the RCR was nominal based there until the early 1990's; even the RCR regimental in OTL still is in London. Secondly what Canadian Army assets that are deployed in Ottawa that cannot be deployed else were, such as CFB Petawawa, CFB Kingston, or CFB Trenton.

What is the reasoning for placing attack helicopter assets at CFB Borden when there are no reg forces assets near by (perhaps CFB Petawawa), in this timeline and OTL only lightly armed reserve formation within the GTA and local area are present.

Why was CFB Shilo opened up when there were barracks (Kapyong Barracks if Im not mistaken) in Winnipeg. Original Kapyong Barracks was only sold off because of monetary issues, this CF having heavy bombers I don't think that's a problem.

Why are there fighter assets in CFB Sherwater and not CFB Chatham New Brunswick, which was in OTL an actual fighter base for the CF-5? Secondly why was CFB Summerside closed but places like CFB Downsview which have no real utility in a aerial capacity kept going?

What was the reasoning for basing two battalions of what I presume are mech infantry up in the arctic for? Was there some sort of major geopolitical shift that caused Canada to get all antzz about our territory up there. Currently the Rangers do the job fine, maybe a couple of reserves army units and a additional RCAF transport/ rescue squadron would provide all that is needed up there.

Final why is guided missile cruiser and shit ton of frigates doing up in the arctic? What do they do that a couple of UAV and P-3 fly overs can't, what happened to cause such a militarization of the arctic? In this timeline has the ice line receded that much that we can send up just modestly ice strengthen hulls? In current OTL the ice up past Labrador can get as thick as five meters in the summer, very few ships can traverse that safely and doubt a generic frigate model could.

Other than that I think that orbat is really looking good:D. I hope I have sounded like to much of a dick, cause I don't mean it in that way. XD

Some Bloke February 27th, 2013 03:39 PM

It´s William V! not IV!


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