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tom January 7th, 2004 05:53 PM

Jacobites win
 
What would be the best chance for the Jacobites to prevail? What else would change?

Kurt_Steiner October 22nd, 2004 05:32 PM

No chances for a Jacobite victory.

Another larger British army, and then another one, and then... until the Jacobites are finally defeated. It has to be remembered that this wasn't an old fashioned Scots v English war but a British civil war for control of the throne of the United Kingdom, with religious overtones. Bonny Prince Charlie was Catholic, this was why he had the support of a number of Highland clans who were also Catholic, but he didn't have the support of the Lowland Scots who were mainly Protestant ( an interesting fact is that more Scots fought with the Government forces than the rebels in this rebellion). Bonnie Prince Charlies rebellion was doomed from the time he invaded England, and the expected( in his mind) uprising of the English in his support didn't take place

Matthew Craw October 22nd, 2004 05:40 PM

Forget 1745 - there's no real jacobite support base lef then. 1715 was their best chance, if the Earl of mar had attacked more aggressively at Sherifmuir he would almost certainly have defeated the outnumbered government forces, allowing him to push south and link up with the jacobite rebels in Northumberland preparatory to a push SW into Lancashire, where more troops could have been raised from the relatively pro-Stuart population. After that it's a matter of pushing on london, facing an army of hannoverian troops and whateever British forces George and teh Whigs can persuade to fight. That's a battle the Jacobites probably loose, but it wouldn't be unwinnable and represents their best shot at the throne.

stodge October 23rd, 2004 04:34 PM

The Jacobite Restoration
 
I've put this up on another thread but I think it has possibilities. POD is the death of Princess Anne in childbirth in 1700 soon after the death of the Duke of Gloucester. With her death ends the Protestant Stuart branch.

The nearest Protestant line is that of Sophia of Hanover, who would become Queen Sophia I. Many, even among the Whigs, despair of a German princess succeeding followed by her Hanoverian son, George Ludwig.

In 1702, before the young James Francis Edward Stuart, who succeeds his father, James II, as head of the Jacobites in 1701, can be attainted for treason, William of Orange dies following a fall at Hampton Court.

A deputation of Whigs and Tories go to the Jacobite Court at St Germain and offer young James the throne based on a Regency of Protestant nobles and his willingness to recant the Catholic faith. In exchange, England will cease any military action in Europe against Louis XIV and involvement in the War of the Spanish Succession.

After much soul searching, James accepts and returns to London on September 1st 1702 as James III. He publically recants his Catholicism and will marry a Protestant princess. The Regency governs until 1706 when James assumes full powers albeit under the thumb of Parliament.

In Europe, France triumphs, a Bourbon is King of Spain and French domination of the Continent is assured for another century.


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