Napolyon Bey Bonaparte's Whiff of Grapeshot

Napolyon Bey Bonaparte's Whiff of Grapeshot
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Napoleon Bonaparte Transferred to Serve the Ottoman Empire

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Foreword:So I have been thinking about this timeline for a while. I have had troubles continuing previous TLs very far, and I have examined the cause of this and I am confident that these problems have been addressed, and so without further ado, here is Napolyon Bey Bonaparte’s Whiff of Grapeshot. This TL will start with an intro, then go back several years to explain what led up to this.
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Introduction- A Whiff of Grapeshot
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An excerpt from Modern World History (1700-Present) by William J. Smith, 1957:
...the phrase ‘A Whiff of Grapeshot,’ often attributed to Napolyon Bey Bonaparte, born Napoleone di Buonaparte, and known as Napoleon Bonaparte in France, was actually used by a Scottish historian by the name of Henry Aberdeen in 1879. In French, there's not even a accurate direct translation of the phrase. Referring to Napolyon’s use of artillery armed with grapeshot to force the almost 50,000 Janissaries to surrender during their failed uprising against the Sultan, this event was known as the Fortunate Event.

… The Fortunate Event, referred to as The Unfortunate Event to enemies of the Ottoman Empire, was a major turning point for the Ottoman Empire. The complete annihilation of the Janissaries, who had long since ceased to be a functioning military force, only hindering all efforts for modernization of the army, allowed the Ottoman Empire to reform itself and make itself more European in nature.

Masterminded by the young artillery adviser Napolyon Bey Bonaparte, it directly led to his rise to power and influence over the Sultan Selim III. After managing to convince the Sultan Selim III that the Janissaries must be destroyed before they were given a chance to revolt against him, Napolyon shared his plan to goad the Janissaries into revolt, and then trap them in their own barracks and annihilate them using artillery.

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Left: A portrait of Napolyon Bey Bonaparte, aged 23.

The plan worked virtually exactly according to plan. After being informed that they were going to be phased out, losing their privileges over a period of 10 years, and were going to be replaced by the Nezam-i Cedid Army, or the Army of the New Order in English, the Janissaries immediately revolted, intent on marching to the palace and replaced the Sultan. Up in arms, the Janissaries quickly found themselves pushed back into their barracks by the well prepared Sipahis, where Grapeshot was fired upon them from all sides. With the Grapeshot tearing through the Janissaries, and having no where to run, they were quickly forced to surrender, although not after some 6,000 Janissaries lay dead.

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Left: Ottoman Sipahi.

In the aftermath of the Fortunate Event, over 40,000 Janissaries were taken prisoner. The rest of the Janissaries, spread across the Empire, were rounded up quickly. The leaders of the Janissaries were exiled, with the younger Janissaries exiled or imprisoned. All of the land they owned was seized...
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From Alternatehistory.com: AHC: Napolyon Bey Bonaparte becomes Ruler of France:

DrWalt: Your challenge, should you choose to accept it, is to have Napolyon Bey Bonaparte, a prominent figure in the Ottoman Empire, become ruler of France any way you see fit. This might be asb, but hopefully someone has a idea.

True Steel:
Your challenge, should you choose to accept it, is to have Napolyon Bey Bonaparte, a prominent figure in the Ottoman Empire, become ruler of France any way you see fit. This might be asb, but hopefully someone has a idea.
This seems pretty ASB to me. I mean, he was a military genius, but he was a minor noble and even if he somehow managed to take control, he would be quickly overthrow, whether it be from outside forces or from within.

TheGreatBear: This is almost certainly asb, but I will give it my best shot.

So instead of being sent to Constantinople, he does not depart in such haste, and is therefore present on the 13 Vendemiaire, when the Mob attacked Paris. Using his famous, ‘Whiff of Grapeshot’ , which OTL he uses to destroy the Janissaries, he forces the mob to disperse. After this, he rises in ranks, until he is eventually leads the Army of Italy. Defeating the Austrians, he know is a very influential member of French politics. Eventually a Second Coalition will form against France, as the existence of the French Republic was against everything the other powers of Europe stood for. Napolyon, meeting them in some decisive battle, defeats the combined armies of the Second Coalition, and forces a peace. Returning home a hero, he launches a coup, and declares himself Emperor of France. He rules for several years, until in the War of the Third Coalition the rest of Europe crushes him, and the French Empire is dismantled.

True Steel: @TheGreatBear: Yeah, thats ASB alright. Ignoring the events previously, the chances of anyone, even Napolyon, being able to defeat the combined forces of Europe is almost zero.

DrWalt: I'm not so sure. Never count Napolyon out. :D
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So, what does everyone think? Comments, questions, concerns?
 
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I really like this. I'm looking forward to see how exactly Napoleone became Napolyon and wrangled his way to Bey Pasha. I'm no expert on the Ottoman Empire, but I'm eager to find out what Turkish delight results from this strange admixture.
 
Looks fun, but if it's ASB, shouldn't it go in the ASB forum?

Why on earth do you think it is ASB? It is documented that the young Napoleon saw little possibilities for himself in France and pondered entering Ottoman service. It's from Dwyer's biography, on which grounds do you dispute it?
 
Why on earth do you think it is ASB? It is documented that the young Napoleon saw little possibilities for himself in France and pondered entering Ottoman service. It's from Dwyer's biography, on which grounds do you dispute it?

Because OP said it was ASB?
 
Because OP said it was ASB?

No, the OP is not calling this timeline ASB.

The OP said in an in-universe aside that alternate history forumites believe that Napolyon Bey Pasha becoming the Emperor Napoleon I of France that we all know and love is ASB. I'm assuming the OP inserts this device to discourage us from calling ASB on Napolyon before we come to see how he got where he is in this alternate timeline. It can be so difficult to separate the possible and the inevitable when it comes to history, and sometimes readers must be reassured if they are to suspend their disbelief for a time.

Skimming is a lost art, but even art should be practiced in moderation.
 

Yuelang

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now, now, if Napolyon somehow play his hands ezpertly to replace the Sultan himself...

only to 'get legitimacy' from European Rulers, end up dismantling the Sultanate himself and replacing that with ressurected Byzantine Empire... (and convert to Orthodoxy for the sake of gaining legitimacy with Greek and Balkan subjects, who 'coincidentally' are the majority of his reformed army)

Result, far longer, even until today, continuation of Napoleonic dynasty...
 
now, now, if Napolyon somehow play his hands ezpertly to replace the Sultan himself...

only to 'get legitimacy' from European Rulers, end up dismantling the Sultanate himself and replacing that with ressurected Byzantine Empire... (and convert to Orthodoxy for the sake of gaining legitimacy with Greek and Balkan subjects, who 'coincidentally' are the majority of his reformed army)

Result, far longer, even until today, continuation of Napoleonic dynasty...

I can't see Napolyon converting to Orthodoxy, and if he did, it would mean a quick second fall of Byzantium, and Napolyon would surely tumble down with it.

Now, I could see Napolyon converting to Islam, especially considering his many positive comments on the religion OTL. I doubt we'll see Emperor Napoleon I of a resurrected Rome, but I could definitely see him establish the Bonaparte dynasty on the throne of Osman for a new, enlightened age.
 

Yuelang

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I can't see Napolyon converting to Orthodoxy, and if he did, it would mean a quick second fall of Byzantium, and Napolyon would surely tumble down with it.

Now, I could see Napolyon converting to Islam, especially considering his many positive comments on the religion OTL. I doubt we'll see Emperor Napoleon I of a resurrected Rome, but I could definitely see him establish the Bonaparte dynasty on the throne of Osman for a new, enlightened age.

in the other hand, what about Napoleon maintains his Catholicism and offered to 'sold' some Balkan regions in exchange of Austrian, and if applicable, French supports?

Catholic revived Roman Empire?
 
I am so confused by these comments that want to see the Ottoman Empire chopped up despite it being a TL centered around the Ottomans having Napoleon at the helm.

OP, this sounds amazing and you have my full attention. You'll see me posting here regularly :D
 
Quimporte- I mostly agree, him converting to Orthodoxy is probably unlikely. However, his religious vies being almost nonexistent, I am sure he would be willing to do whatever he needed too to gain power. Also thanks for helping to explain to CthulhiFhtagn what I was trying to get at.

CthulhuFhtagn- So basically I used the alternate history alternatehistory.com. They where discussing how from THEIR perspective Napoleon becoming Emperor of France, at least from the POD between our two timelines, was completely ridiculous. It was mean't to try to nip anyone saying it was ASB in the bud. Anyway, sorry I made you think this was ASB. :confused:

Westphalian- Yeah. Its documented and I thought it was a amazing POD.

Yuelang- Latin Empire Reborn? Byzantine Empire Reborn? Oh the possibilities you have forced me to think long and hard about.

EMT- I was agreeing with you, that a Ottoman Empire with Napoleon shoudn't lead to no Ottoman Empire, but then I saw the comments. Oh the ideas! Byzantine Empire Reborn? Napolyon Osman? Latin Empire Reborn? Now I will have to think carefully about this.
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Quimporte- I mostly agree, him converting to Orthodoxy is probably unlikely. However, his religious vies being almost nonexistent, I am sure he would be willing to do whatever he needed too to gain power. Also thanks for helping to explain to CthulhiFhtagn what I was trying to get at.

CthulhuFhtagn- So basically I used the alternate history alternatehistory.com. They where discussing how from THEIR perspective Napoleon becoming Emperor of France, at least from the POD between our two timelines, was completely ridiculous. It was mean't to try to nip anyone saying it was ASB in the bud. Anyway, sorry I made you think this was ASB. :confused:

Westphalian- Yeah. Its documented and I thought it was a amazing POD.

Yuelang- Latin Empire Reborn? Byzantine Empire Reborn? Oh the possibilities you have forced me to think long and hard about.

EMT- I was agreeing with you, that a Ottoman Empire with Napoleon shoudn't lead to no Ottoman Empire, but then I saw the comments. Oh the ideas! Byzantine Empire Reborn? Napolyon Osman? Latin Empire Reborn? Now I will have to think carefully about this.
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Wait....so we might actually see the Ottoman Empire dismembered?:confused:
 
Wait....so we might actually see the Ottoman Empire dismembered?:confused:

I mean, we might, but I doubt the author would completely change their plans based on a few stray comments from the peanut gallery. Suffice to say, I think we're going to be surprised. I know my favorite part of this whole genre is the thrill of surprise, where our own history can feel so stolid and unyielding at times.
 
I'm hoping that the Sublime Porte will end up revitalized rather than dismembered as a result of this myself. He already took care of the Janissary problem, and Napoleon being in Ottoman service butterflies away the OTL loss of Egypt as well, so that's certainly a start.

I am not particularly fond of the idea of a modern day resurrection of the old East Roman Empire, be it the Byzantine or Latin one, but Napoleon as sultan would definitely be cool. It would certainly suit his ambitious personality more than remaining in service to the current sultan.
 
Quimporte- I mostly agree, him converting to Orthodoxy is probably unlikely. However, his religious vies being almost nonexistent, I am sure he would be willing to do whatever he needed too to gain power. Also thanks for helping to explain to CthulhiFhtagn what I was trying to get at.

CthulhuFhtagn- So basically I used the alternate history alternatehistory.com. They where discussing how from THEIR perspective Napoleon becoming Emperor of France, at least from the POD between our two timelines, was completely ridiculous. It was mean't to try to nip anyone saying it was ASB in the bud. Anyway, sorry I made you think this was ASB. :confused:

Westphalian- Yeah. Its documented and I thought it was a amazing POD.

Yuelang- Latin Empire Reborn? Byzantine Empire Reborn? Oh the possibilities you have forced me to think long and hard about.

EMT- I was agreeing with you, that a Ottoman Empire with Napoleon shoudn't lead to no Ottoman Empire, but then I saw the comments. Oh the ideas! Byzantine Empire Reborn? Napolyon Osman? Latin Empire Reborn? Now I will have to think carefully about this.
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Oh, I see. My bad.
 
Napolyon Osman?Napoleon marrying into the House of Osmanoglu and then converting to Islam?

I might've mispoke. As I mentioned, I'm not an expert on the Ottomans. I was just using the "throne of Osman" as some overwrought poetic title for "leadership over the Ottoman Empire." I imagine that dynasty's been out of power for a while. Sorry if I've derailed anything -- I'm definitely looking forward to seeing how this all plays out.
 
Quimporte- Yeah the suprise is the best part. As for the House of Osman, it has been in power continuously since 1299 until the POD. Thats part of what is so hard about making Napolyon a Sultan. There was simply no precedent for anyone but a Osman ruling the Ottoman Empire.

darthfanta- Converting to Islam? Probable. As for marrying into the House of Osman, Its virtually impossible. There had not been a dynastic marriage in the Ottoman Empire for hundreds of years. This developed because the number of people to marry went dry as the Empire expanded, and so it was replaced by the Harem as a means to secure Imperial Succession.

CthulhuFhtagn- No problem.

Kuld von Reyn- Saving Egypt and taking care of the Jannisaries is a MAJOR boost. Although Egypt is still very autonomous, at least it is not independent. Napolyon as a Sultan is very hard to do. He cannot marry into the House of Osman because they hadn't had a dynastic marriage in hundreds of years, and the practice had been replaced by the Harems, and no one who was not a member of the House of Osman has ruled the Ottoman Empire. If theres a way, I might consider it, but for now you will have to wait any see.

EMT- Probaly not, although you never know. The ideas just made me think a second.
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I remember a thread a looong time ago about Napoleon staying in Egypt and declaring himself emperor. It was fun as all hell. I'll be watching this.closely
 
Also if anyone could kindly tell me how to make the name of the TL a hyperlink? Its probably really obvious but I just can't seem to figure it out.
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