Describe Your own Tentative timelines, pre 1900

Are there any timelines that you are thinking on making..

These are my tentative timelines
Destiny TL:
POD: 1100 and William Adelin survives and rules Britain
-No Mongolian Empire
-Surviving Kievian Rus
-Buddhist Luzon with Nestorian Christian Minority surviving, Nestorian Christianity also survives in Korea
-Taiwan with japanese influences and japanese minority
La Pace Italiano
POD:1407
-Survival of the Capetian House of Anjou
Aceh of the North
POD: 1450
-A Muslim minor state in Taiwan
-Anne of Brittany and Philip the Fair are married
-Buddhist Luzon(perhaps I might have it ruled by a cadet line of Ayuthaya dynasty later on)
-Less conquerable Philippines to the Spanish, Sulu will rule parts of Visayas as well.

The Dominion of Northern America, sibling to a stillborn Canada v3
POD: Somewhere in the American Revolution
-Bigger Canada, including New England (inc. Upstate New York), Michigan and the North Plains.
-A surviving Mysore Empire
-A nationalist, slaver USA that conquers more of Mexico.

The Privileges of Humanity: How Individuals Shaped the World.
POD: Springtime of Nations
-Surviving Rio Grande do Sul
-Filibuster republics in Central America and Patagonia being admitted to the USA.
-A puppet Mexico that eventually get assimilated and annexed.
-A Canada with all the Oregon Territory.
-Socialist Britain, with an Loyalist Ireland and Wales.

New City
POD: There was some massive ambush during the Syracusan/Carthaginian wars of the fourth century BC in which the entire Carthaginian army was destroyed. After that, they relied on mercenaries, rather thab citizen soldiers.
-Hegemonic (in the Western Mediterranean) Carthage
-Powerful Seleucid Empire
-No Rome.
-Expansionist North Indian state (Which will be named eventually )

These are less TL's I'm actually planning to do and more ideas for TLs I might do if I finish Count of Years and learn more on each subject. I wouldn't mind other people doing these TLs though.

The Tigers of Tanjore
The Chola dynasty does not fall to the Pandyas, and instead maintains their empire to the point where they dominate the whole of South India and also keep their colonial possessions in the Bay of Bengal, which remains the Cholan Lake.

Y Mab Darogan
Llyweln ap Gruffydd maintains his kingdom and the Principality of Wales either by killing or imprisoning his treacherous brother Daffydd, or having Edward Longshanks be assassinated on Crusade. Either pod leads to him not losing Wales and his life. As a result Wales becomes a more sovereign country like Scotland, and Llywelyn and his heirs are considered equals to the kings of Scotland and England.

The Second Anarchy
At the Battle of Evesham, the Welsh contingent holds and the battle becomes a complete massacre on both sides, with many major lords and barons including Simon de Montfort, Prince Edward, and King Henry himself dying in the fight. As a result, England is thrown into massive chaos and upheaval and the Second Baron's War become more intense and confusing.

The Heart of South America
Francisco Solano Lopez, President and dictator of Paraguay, is less mind-numbingly stupid and a bit more lucky, ends up actually winning the War of the Triple Alliance against Brazil, Argentina, and Uruguay. Paraguay becomes a much stronger power, gaining more land and being able to continue industrializing, and becomes of the most powerful and influential countries in South America.

A Different Tale of the Heike
The Taira clan wins the Genpei War against the Minamoto, instead of losing, and the shogunate never arises in Japan.

A Very Different Sixth Century
Justinian gets overthrown in the Nika Riots, and forced into exile in the Crimea, to be replaced first by the short lived Emperor Hypatius, and then by Belisarius, who reigns as Emperor until 576 and founds a dynasty.

The TL will exclusively focus on the sixth and very early seventh century, and take a wide look at the Mediterranean and Near Eastern worlds, including the evolution of the Ostrogothic Kingdom (never destroyed ITTL), the slow death of Arianism across Europe (not dissimilar to OTL, but rather more violent), and eventually, the rise of the Lazic people prior to their meteoric rise to dominate the Near East.

The Napoleonic Diadochi
-Nelson suffers an unfortunate accident at sea, France is able to maintain a creditable naval force throughout the war
-An Invasion of Russia that goes after St. Petersburg instead of Moscow in the first year with Moscow coming later
-A series of Naval Battles wears down the British enough for Napoleon to land an army
-Napoleon and Family are killed by a hidden cache of gunpowder by British terrorists
-His marshals fight it out for the empire
-Euroscrew and Ameriwank

The Eagle of the Bosporus (in progress): I'll just quote the timeline itself.

"The POD is in 1166, when a son is born to Manuel Comnenus. Despite this, nothing much changes until 1176, when Manuel in an uncharacteristic moment of caution, accepts the Seljuk Sultan's offer of part of Turkish Anatolia in exchange for a ten year truce between the Empire and the Sultanate."

From there, the seeds that shall become the Mingburnid Sultanate (in Iran and the east), the surviving Eastern Roman Empire in southeastern Europe, Anatolia, and beyond, followed by a united Holy Roman Empire in central Europe, and finally a lasting Muslim state in southern Iberia* are sown.

On the sketchboard but unwritten is Doom and Glory a tale of an alternate Gettysburg Campaign where Lee does get the additional troops he wanted from Davis...and how that worked out for him.



* More tenative than the other thread, as the author hasn't worked that one out yet, but its the plan.

Basileus Giorgios said:

A Very Different Sixth Century
Justinian gets overthrown in the Nika Riots, and forced into exile in the Crimea, to be replaced first by the short lived Emperor Hypatius, and then by Belisarius, who reigns as Emperor until 576 and founds a dynasty.

The TL will exclusively focus on the sixth and very early seventh century, and take a wide look at the Mediterranean and Near Eastern worlds, including the evolution of the Ostrogothic Kingdom (never destroyed ITTL), the slow death of Arianism across Europe (not dissimilar to OTL, but rather more violent), and eventually, the rise of the Lazic people prior to their meteoric rise to dominate the Near East.

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Couldn't Justinian just flee ingloriously, and Belisarius take over with military force? Or have Justinian die horribly in the riots, law restored through the army, and Theodora remarries someone (Belisarius, lol...) Of course, I am alarmingly over-fond of Belisarius (Obviously )

All names are tentative.

All Beneath the Eternal Sun
Akhnaten is actually somewhat competent. He succeeds in maintaining the Egyptian Empire and Aten gradually replaces the old gods. Featuring:
- A Hittite Civil War.
- A warrior-king with Tutankhamen's original name (but not genome).
- Egyptians in Babylon.
- Lot's of fun and RADICALLY altered history up to the present day

The Crowns in Exile
Basically a Canada-wank, albeit a rather different Canada. Also an India-wank and an Egyptian Khedivate wank. Kind of fanciful, I admit it's basically one of my first TL's that I'm attempting to make somewhat plausible.

The Sound of Silence
In short: No Genghis Khan. Not sure where I'm going from there, all I know is that it'll involve relations between Europe and the Islamic world being a hell of a lot more balanced than OTL.

In the year 1400
Basically an Islam-wank. The Umayyads of Al-Andalus avoid falling in the 11th century, the Abbasids remain powerful far more longer and handle the conservative backlash much better, and Mu'tazili Islam becomes the dominant school. Considering merging aspects of this TL with the above.

Unnamed Argentina-wank
See title. Inspired by a random post I saw on this forum (I forget by whom) saying "someone do an Argentina-wank lol". I figured I'd give it a shot. Unfortunately I lost the work I had been doing on it in a tragic hard-drive malfunction, so it's currently on hiatus.

By the Sword and the Arrow

the Scythian king Palacus actualy managing to defeat the Pontic forces, and make Scythia survive.

it will also include:
-Rome being wiped out way before 476AD
-Most likely a Avernian superpower
-an loads more

UNNAMED TIMELINE
POD: New York elector Anthony Lispenard votes for Burr/Jefferson in 1800 Presidential election. IOTL he demanded to be allowed to cast his vote via secret ballot, as opposed to the public one as required by state law; however his demand was rejected and he eventually cast his vote for Jefferson/Burr. It is believed that Lispendard wished to vote for Burr, though he personally preferred Jefferson, as part of a (Democratic-)Republican strategy to force a deadlocked election and a run-off vote between Burr and Jefferson, which Jefferson would likely win. However errors in the Republican strategy that year, and the general weaknesses of the US electoral college prior to the OTL 12th Amendment, meant that if Lispendard had voted for Burr than Burr would have won the presidential election of 1800.

Beyond the POD and initial effects I have very little planned out, and I'll need to do quite a bit of research on the subject. Right now my (very) rough draft has the US fragmenting à la Argentina before pulling back together again at a later point, due to political/regional differences in the Federalists and Republicans. Butterflies lead to Napoleon being popular elected as a Dictator instead of crowning himself an emperor, leading to a very different Europe.

A Fateful Choice / A Good Night's Rest
POD: Louis-Napoléon Bonaparte (aka Napoléon III) doesn't have a nightmare on the night of 5 July 1869, and the planned invasion of Prussia goes forward. IOTL Louis-Napoléon was notoriously superstitious, and due to a nightmare likely stemming from his frequent bladder stones and general kidney failure, took it is as a sign to cancel the invasion. ITTL he gets a good night's rest, and French forces swarm over the Rhine in the midst of the Seven Weeks War. Prussia is unable to move enough of her forces out of Bohemia and Saxony quick enough to stop the French, and her forces in Hanover are defeated by an uprising there, forcing Berlin to quickly sue for peace.

Again, beyond the POD and initial effects I don't have this very well planned out, though I have more hard facts for, as some of my research from TSPD overlaps into this, I don't have anything committed to paper at the moment. Right now my general feeling is something of a Frenchwank in the immediate period with a federal Germany split between the Hohenzollerns in the north, Hapsburgs in the south, and Bonapartes officiating over a renewed Confederation of the Rhine, while Italy is reigned in and remains essentially a French satellite. Also the Second Empire survives at least until the 1890s.

EDIT: Something like this for Europe, circa 1867;

I had this idea for a timeline in which Belgium was split during the Belgian revolution, with the Netherlands gaining East and west Flanders, Antwerp and Limburg, France gaining Hainaut, Namur andSouthern Brabant (thus including Brussels and other Dutch/Flemish speaking parts), while Prussia got Luxemburg (and maybe Liege). Because of a bigger population the Dutch do slightly better colonisation-wise and keep the Dutch goldcoast, and get northern Borneo and western New Guinea (and maybe the Solomon islands). During the early 20th century a cold war arises between Germany and France, with a large part of Europe devided between them. In the German camp would be Denmark, Austro-Bohemia, Hungary and Poland, while in the French camp would be Italy, Sicily, Spain, Portugal, Morocco and maybe Algeria.

The so far unfinished a Brother's betrayal would lead to a first world war scenario in which Prussia (basicly Germany, but still called Prussia) would attack a still independent Bavaria, after which France declares war to prussia, who decide to attack France through the Netherlands (hoping to annex either all or part of the Netherlands. The Prussians would capture most of the Netherlands, but is stopped at the waterline. The descendants of the Dutch stadholder (rulers of Nassau in that timeline) would become the regents of occupied Netherlands. Meanwhile the Dutch start using colonial troops to strengthen their army, which leads to all kinds of problems especially between the (still Dutch) South Africans fighting for the Netherlands and black soldiers. In the end the Germans declare war to the British, they enter the war and with them the Dutch (and French and Bavarians) manage to defeat the Prussians. After that I planned a war of independence, after the Dutch Cape colony desides to become independent from the Netherlands as they are unhappy they have to acknowledge the returning black soldiers as equals (as all soldiers who fought in the war gain full citizenship).

For the history of the Dutch republic I didn´t have any big plans. I was planning though for a larger part of Flanders and Brabant to become part of the Netherlands, leading to a more influntial Flanders and Brabant, which in turn leads to a provincial status for the mostly catholic territories, which leads to (more or less) equal right for catholics. Furthermore, I was planning for France to conquer most of Wallonia, the palatinate, Trier, Geneva, Piedmont and maybe Spanish Navarra (although it would still lack Dunkirk, which is English and Corsica which would become Sardinian). The rest of Belgium, mainly southern Flanders and Brabant, would become a Luxemburg like independent nation, ruled by a Habsburg Duke.

The Great Irony
More of a party finished novel than a timeline, but here goes...

POD: Someone who should have died OTL, lives! His later career has profound effect not just on the bickering states of Central America, but the entire world. Eventually it inspires a historian to write a book in 1983 bemoaning how the ideas of a group of liberal reformers were corrupted into the present day world he lives in now.

Wars of the Worlds
Perhaps this is because I just read War of the Worlds again, but I have been toying with the idea of taking the original novel and all the sequels/remakes/interpretations and combining them into a more scientifically accurate alternate timeline. General idea is this: An alien federation discovers a developing intelligent species on Earth. To protect their development they establish a protectorate over the system and terraform Mars to use a base. As humans develop they begin to interact with us and at one point even save a small culture from a natural disaster and let settle on Mars. There is some catastrophe, however, that causes the federation to collapse. Martian society falls apart as the machines used to keep Mars habitable fall apart. By 1898, Humanity is in the midst of the Industrial Revolution (having long forgotten or altered the memories of their earlier contact with other intelligent species), while Mars is a dying world with a small, yet primitive population. Enter a highly advanced and nomadic alien race that is coming to Mars to pillage the advanced society. When they arrive they discover their intelligence was bad, so after only occupying a small portion of the Red Planet, they launch a new invasion toward Earth which is better planet for their needs...

BelisariusCaeser said:

Couldn't Justinian just flee ingloriously, and Belisarius take over with military force? Or have Justinian die horribly in the riots, law restored through the army, and Theodora remarries someone (Belisarius, lol...) Of course, I am alarmingly over-fond of Belisarius (Obviously )

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No, because I am a Justinian fan, and I'm not that much of a Belisarius fan. Well, I am a Belisarius fan, but I'm not a Belisarius-wanker. In the TL, which I'm writing in fits and starts, Belisarius isn't really an especially wonderful Emperor. He has plenty of flaws, like all historical figures.

Well, in I have my stories in A Collective Regime of Peace and Love, which starts in media res.

I also have ideas for the following:

Descent into The Great Harsh Night
The slow death of the Roman empire at the hands of barbarians. Alternate settlements including:

• Swedish Andalusia, with little to no Romanization (flees or sold)
• Greater foederati system leads to Bedouins, Latins and Visigoths in Pannonia
• Vandal Ethiopia

Untitled 18th-21st Century Timeline
Much like LTTW, this timeline would start around the beginning of the 18th century, and spin off from there. Of course, I cannot even hope to emulate the sheer detail and quality of LTTW. Expect same science as usual (alternate element names confuse me) and other fun. Also takes ideas from Zwei Adler Ein Kaiser (same general concept, one generation later) and an earlier, stronger Germany. And Royalist Quebec. And the British Empire will realize that the 18th Century, rather than the 19th, was their heyday. Very different world- will need to avoid parallelism somehow...

The Empire After Cowpens

POD: British Victory at Cowpens, Southern Colonies remain in British Empire.
It includes such gems as the Union of Slave Holding States, United States of Asia, the Dominion of Missouri, the State of Washoe, the Republic of New Mexico, Spanish Indochina, Austrian Palestine, French Greece and a Great War in the 1880's.

And the TL Im working on, Nappy in Texas
POD: Napoleon escapes from Saint Helena, becomes Emperor of Mexico.

Includes the Kingdom of California, the Empire of Guatemala, Spanish Morocco, German Algeria and Russian Libya.

Pre-1900? the ones I keep fussing with...

For a Few Thalers More
The Prussian loan brokered by the Rothschilds in January 1818 falls through. This essentially means that the bearer bond is not invented on schedule, with very negative consequences for Central and Eastern European regimes and odd effects in Latin America. I'm up to about the 1850s.
Royal America
Washington reluctantly accepts the title of King in 1782. And before all the objections are in, I know he didn't want a monarchy or to be monarch; but if popular opinion seems to be strongly in favor of a monarchy, I expect he'd take the crown rather than see it fall to, say, Gates or Greene.
Magna Verita
A different Pope in 1352 than Innocent VI. Doing this one plausibly is proving tricky, but the goal is a survival of the Avignon papacy, possibly with more Crusades and fewer Protestants.
Champlain
Columbus gets all three ships sunk or wrecked, and the early Portuguese Brazil thesis is held to be untrue here. Delaying discovery of the New World until the 16-aughts or 1610s.

I'm still kicking around "Perpetual Brightness," about a surviving Southern Ming that turn towards the sea. Snap episodes include "The Han who would be king," about a merchant-adventurer in Bengal; "Jade Mountain", about the 1710 expedition to California; and an open Japan. Meanwhile the Qing are greatly influenced by Catholicism, and Confucian sages are studied in Western Europe.

Fast forward to 1830, and the Chinese/Japanese melange of Jade Mountain emulate the red haired barbarians to the East, and revolt to form a land of righteousness and concord...

Basileus Giorgios said:

No, because I am a Justinian fan, and I'm not that much of a Belisarius fan. Well, I am a Belisarius fan, but I'm not a Belisarius-wanker. In the TL, which I'm writing in fits and starts, Belisarius isn't really an especially wonderful Emperor. He has plenty of flaws, like all historical figures.

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From what I've seen, Belisarius was "too good at his job," and I've heard he was also "A superb tactician, but a weak strategist,"

It's nice to see realism.

Very different Europe and central Asia:

-Poland-Lithuania is able to hold onto Moscow and Sweden onto Novgorod during the time of troubles
-Germany is not unified
-Very different 30 years war/17thc/18thc wars resulting in a more catholic europe and north america
-Poland Lithuania and Austria hungary falling appart leaving a much more balkanised map of europe and central asia going into the 20thc