a Valkyrie Rises Over Europe, a Alternate Story of the Cold War

Kaiser K

Along the German-Russian Border
03:00 Hours
June 18th, 1969

The German-Russian border along the Ural Mountains was one of the most heavily fortified and dangerous borders in the world since the German Victory during the Second Great War and the seizure of Western Russia from the former Soviet Union, despite the Reich's victory over "Judeo-Bolshevism", it's Eastern Territories were a quagmire of ethnic tensions as the Slavic inhabitants waged a ever intent guerilla war against the Nazi occupiers, those who weren't conscripted to work for the "Fatherland", or shipped West for "Important Civil Duties" escaped Eastwards, or hid in the many natural features of former Western Russia, lying in the wait and ambushing the Germans, they had nothing else to live for, their livelihoods and homes had been destroyed by the Germans, where Moscow formerly existed was just now a lakeside resort for the SS Elite and Reichkommissiars to relax, the cultural history of the Slavic people's was being eradicated slowly every single day as the German's continued to push their agenda on their newly conquered Eastern territories, the only thing to live for was the chance to kill as many Germans as they could, in the hope of somehow regaining their homeland's from the Germans, or bleeding as much German blood as possible. it didn't really matter anymore.



Along the German-Russian Border, Two Young Russian Soldiers, No Older then 22, stood at a border post along the Urals, across from them was their German counterparts, the red and black banner of the Nazi's fluttered in the cold winter wind of Western Siberia as the German guards went about their daily business across the way, the two Russians looked at themselves, and pondered the question of the Western territories.


"Alexi, do you ever think our Motherland will ever be the same again? we will ever regain our homelands in the West from the Fascists? will freedom ever come?"

"Honestly, I do not know.. maybe this is how things were meant to be? maybe God destined these things? it's a question many of us ask, but one none of us can answer".


The World was locked in a Cold War, between Fascism and Capitalism, on one side was the Greater German Reich and her allies, tucked behind the walls of Fortress Europe the Germans have revitalized themselves as according to the dreams of Adolf Hitler, a Germania spanning from the English Channel to the Ural Mountains, Europe was a denizen of Oppression and Fascism, only Switzerland and Sweden existed as any form of freedom behind the Steel Curtain of the Atlantic Wall, opposing the Nazi's was the United States of America, the United Kingdom and their allies in an Alliance System known as the Atlantic League, the Atlantic League has opposed the forces of the German Tripartite Pact since the breakout of the Cold War in 1947, after the Greater German Reich and the United States of America emerged as the world's lone superpowers in the aftermath of the Second Great War.

How we got to this point is a long story, in order to understand the modern world, it's better to go back to where this all started, to that fateful day in September 1939...............
 
Tom Colton

Tom Colton

Hey, great pitch for Red Alert 4! ;)

On another note, 1969? That's even more ambitious than Fatherland or The Man in the High Castle...
 

Riain

Banned
So France before Norway, a seemingly earlier start date for Barbarossa and Stalin having a heart attack.
 

Kaiser K

Riain said:
So France before Norway, a seemingly earlier start date for Barbarossa and Stalin having a heart attack.
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Barbarossa starts at the same time, but pretty much, but the main thing is Stalin having a heart attack, that is the main catalyst that triggers the breakdown of Soviet military resistance and allows the Germans to win on the Eastern Front.
 

Superman

I'm not exactly sure about the plausibility of a second Russian Civil War(after all, if there's anything we learned from China, it's that outside invaders can unite even opposing factions of a civil war), but other than that, it looks mostly plausible to me. Are there going to be post-Hitler reforms in the GGR, similar to the post-Stalin ones in the USSR? There would have to be for Nazi Germany to survive to 1969.

Good start, by the way.
 

Kaiser K

Superman said:
I'm not exactly sure about the plausibility of a second Russian Civil War(after all, if there's anything we learned from China, it's that outside invaders can unite even opposing factions of a civil war), but other than that, it looks mostly plausible to me. Are there going to be post-Hitler reforms in the GGR, similar to the post-Stalin ones in the USSR? There would have to be for Nazi Germany to survive to 1969.

Good start, by the way.
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In the end, I think it's plausible, Stalin dying early in the war certainly could've destabilized the Soviet Union to a point with political infighting to give the Germans a window of opportunity to seize upon, but in the end it's something to facilitate a German victory, but thanks either way.

as for post-Hitler reforms, maybe a few, especially as Hitler doesn't have much live ahead of him, but I imagine post-Hitler reforms would be extremely different, and very varied compared to post-Stalin reforms, and the Greater German Reich still has the pesky issue of colonizing the hostile East.
 

ObssesedNuker

Kaiser K said:
and by the end of the Month, Army Group Centre was a mere 36 miles from Moscow, however near the end of July,
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So, what ASB gave the Germans the magic trucks required for them to make an additional 300 mile advance 5 months ahead of time?

Joseph Stalin suffered a fatal heart attack, leaving a Power Vacuum within the Soviet High Command that the Germans soon exploited, the Soviet Union fell into a power struggle between various inter party factions,
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"Hey guys, the genocidal fascists who want to kill us all are at our gates but our leader is dead. Instead of establishing a power-sharing arrangement based on pre-existing organizations* for now and putting off the power struggle until after the war, let us conduct a civil war that even an idiot would know would undermine our war effort."

If the death of Stalin did not trigger a Soviet civil war at a time when the entirety of the Soviet people (not just the Soviet state, but the Soviet people) were not under threat of total annihilation then his death at a time when they are is even less likely. In all likelihood Stalin's death would actually improve the Soviet war effort as the military would be able to fight without his micromanagement.

*The GKO.
the Soviet Union soon pulled out of the War after a "Bitter Peace" was made with the Axis Powers,
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If the Soviets ever made such an offer to Hitler in the circumstances described, he would in all likelihood shoot it down instantly. Nazi ideology was quite explicit on this: once the Slavs were deprived of their heartland (European Russia) then they would be nothing more then a band of barbarians unworthy of even being called a nationstate. The Urals would basically become a armed camp from which German forces would just shoot dead any Russians who appeared.
 
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TheYoungPretender

ObssesedNuker said:
So, what ASB gave the Germans the magic trucks required for them to make an additional 300 mile advance 5 months ahead of time?

"Hey guys, the genocidal fascists who want to kill us all are at our gates but our leader is dead. Instead of establishing a power-sharing arrangement based on pre-existing organizations* for now and putting off the power struggle until after the war, let us conduct a civil that even an idiot would know would undermine our war effort."

In all likelihood Stalin's death would actually improve the Soviet war effort as the military would be able to fight without his micromanagement.

*The GKO.
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I can never be accused of being at all friendly to Der Reichenfanboywankenabiltung, so let's give him some space before we loose the hounds.

If France is before Norway, perhaps Barbarossa gets moved up? In addition, Stalin had some strong personalities who hated each other working for him - and much of Europe had been similarly short-sighted about a man who wrote a book that could have been titled "Here's how I plan to be a genocidal maniac." Barbarossa starting earlier and more chaos on the Soviet side of the lines passes the preliminary smell test. I can see Beria wanting the whole pie. I can see everyone else not wanting to have to work for Beria. Chaos ensues.
 

Julian

Completely implausibld that the Soviet Union would collapse if Stalin died. In fact it's more likely that it would do better without his rather poisonous influence.
 

The Red

TheYoungPretender said:
I can see Beria wanting the whole pie. I can see everyone else not wanting to have to work for Beria. Chaos ensues.
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The main players in the politburo had already survived Stalin going AWOL once, when they eventually went to see him at his dacha it's reported that they showed such unity of purpose that he feared they were about to tell him he was out of a job. The structure Stalin set up to allow him to have all the power whilst also not directly controlling much more than the committee minutes allows a network to be in place for such a scenario in any case.

IIRC Beria and some others did recommend abandoning Moscow and it's possible that the Red Army would have considered it, but as our enthusiastic atomiser has already stated, the Germans aren't going to be able to encircle the city before the ground turns to mud and then the mud turns to tundra. As others have said the Red Army might actually perform better for lack of Stalin's mismanagement during this period, including instances such as ordering local counter-attacks against towns still unoccupied by the Germans because he read the name incorrectly. I'm sure Zhukov would be rather happy to free of such ludicrous attempts to appear omnipresent.

Plus, America refusing to get involved 'just because' is, for lack of a better word, lazy. It's fine for a TL to be a stretch but there should at least be some effort put into explaining why it is said way.
 

Kaiser K

ObssesedNuker said:
So, what ASB gave the Germans the magic trucks required for them to make an additional 300 mile advance 5 months ahead of time?

"Hey guys, the genocidal fascists who want to kill us all are at our gates but our leader is dead. Instead of establishing a power-sharing arrangement based on pre-existing organizations* for now and putting off the power struggle until after the war, let us conduct a civil war that even an idiot would know would undermine our war effort."

If the death of Stalin did not trigger a Soviet civil war at a time when the entirety of the Soviet people (not just the Soviet state, but the Soviet people) were not under threat of total annihilation then his death at a time when they are is even less likely. In all likelihood Stalin's death would actually improve the Soviet war effort as the military would be able to fight without his micromanagement.

*The GKO.
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I was just trying to come up with a half decent explanation for a Nazi victory, I just want to tell a story without getting my throat jumped down on, I know the whole idea of a Nazi victory is implausible, I just need a way to make it work here.


If the Soviets ever made such an offer to Hitler in the circumstances described, he would in all likelihood shoot it down instantly. Nazi ideology was quite explicit on this: once the Slavs were deprived of their heartland (European Russia) then they would be nothing more then a band of barbarians unworthy of even being called a nationstate. The Urals would basically become a armed camp from which German forces would just shoot dead any Russians who appeared.
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I'm very well aware of this, the "Bitter Peace" mentioned was the terms Germany forced on Russia, as it did not have the capacity to push beyond the Urals.

TheYoungPretender said:
I can never be accused of being at all friendly to Der Reichenfanboywankenabiltung, so let's give him some space before we loose the hounds.

If France is before Norway, perhaps Barbarossa gets moved up? In addition, Stalin had some strong personalities who hated each other working for him - and much of Europe had been similarly short-sighted about a man who wrote a book that could have been titled "Here's how I plan to be a genocidal maniac." Barbarossa starting earlier and more chaos on the Soviet side of the lines passes the preliminary smell test. I can see Beria wanting the whole pie. I can see everyone else not wanting to have to work for Beria. Chaos ensues.
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Indeed, basically this, I was basically going with a whole a lot of Mini-POD's that basically work towards the final result of a German victory, and indeed, the whole Power Struggle thing is Beria's mess, it's something that gives the Germans enough of a window of opportunity to smash the Soviet Army in it's disorganized and disunited state at this point early in the invasion as Civil Order collapses. and as you mentioned, their could have been plenty of short sighted people in Stalin's government who did not realize the danger of Hitler until it was too late.

I'm still working on a concrete sequence of events, what has been posted is a general timeline for events that led to German victory.
 

Kaiser K

The Red said:
Plus, America refusing to get involved 'just because' is, for lack of a better word, lazy. It's fine for a TL to be a stretch but there should at least be some effort put into explaining why it is said way.
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As I said before, I'm still working on a concrete set of events, and at the same time, the issue with a Nazi victory is in the end, if the United States get's involved, the Nazi's are dead meat in the end due to America's strength and industrial power, which kind of defeats the purpose of a Nazi-US Cold War, so I have to force the United States to stay out of the War in Europe to get my desired result.
 

Kaiser K

Okay, I probably shouldn't have trotted out such a rushed explanation for events in the War, I'm going to rewrite the Section about the Eastern Front and figure out a better explanation for the US not getting involved.
 
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