Empty America: Discussion Area

I posted the entire timeline in the Completed Timelines forum

Empty America: Complete Timeline

Mind you, this is not my timeline, it's Doug Hoffs.

So.... what do you guys think? I think that the timeline has so much rich detail, lots of related in-world fiction could be written about it.
 
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Aw come on. Over a thousand views. You'd think one person was registered and had something to say.

I wonder what the mainland Europe looks like in 1600ish when the timeline ends. You get the feeling that after the Khanate implodes, some incredibly powerful Empire rises mainly out of France. They're implied to be this huge Imperium that probably covers a lot of Germany too. Interesting and elusive.
 
I'm slowly working my way through it.

The first quibble I have (and so far the only one!) is the mention of Megaloceros: this animal was a Eurasian one and never reached North America, iirc. Also, I think you overexaggerate Canis Dirus somewhat. The animal gets "blown up" for rule of cool reasons, but in reality it wasn't really much bigger than a modern wolf. It had a more robust skull, though.

Most of my comments will be about the megafauna, as that's what I have some interest in: I'll keep them coming!
 
I'm a little confused - this timeline is orignally from 2003.

Is it the OP's timeline?

Reposting someone else's timeline in its entirety is a litttle rude unless they have given their consent
 

TFSmith121

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Fun read - I think, unless there is something other to explain the

Aw come on. Over a thousand views. You'd think one person was registered and had something to say.

I wonder what the mainland Europe looks like in 1600ish when the timeline ends. You get the feeling that after the Khanate implodes, some incredibly powerful Empire rises mainly out of France. They're implied to be this huge Imperium that probably covers a lot of Germany too. Interesting and elusive.

Fun read, and well written - I think, unless there is something other to explain the lack of human population in the Western Hemisphere before European contact other than climate, I just can't see it.

If the climatic conditions that created the Beringia land bridge do not arise, the impact of global warm temperatures would be (presumably) huge, including in the Eastern Hemisphere; whether anything resembling human history as we know would result is literally astronomical.

Having the North American megafauna survive is the least of it, in some ways...if the world remains warm enough to prevent the land bridge, there may not be any Neolithic Revolution...there may not be any Neolithic.

I think that's the foundation for the ASB comments; not that this "world" would require alien space bats, but simply it is much more likely a world without the conditions that brought Beringia would almost be alien space bats.

Not only stranger than we imagine, but stranger than we can imagine, as someone a lot sharper than myself once put it...

Best,
 
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Nitpicks

Vinland wasn't in New Brunswick, it was in Newfoundland, which wasn't called Markland (Labrador). Also, I think the colonization went too fast for the Norse and Anglo-Saxons. Other than that, it's fine so far.
 
I thought I made this more clear, but this is not my timeline, it's a reposting of an older timeline by Doug Hoff. He's since "retired" from writing it, but gave me permission to repost it here, since it was not put anywhere online in its entirety. If anyone is worried, I could even screenshot the email and put it up.
 

Dirk

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So ASB it's not even funny. Just from the map I see England and the Franks existing? Not gonna happen.
 
The initial premise may be ASB, but then afterwards the rest of history surely isn't. And interestingly, if you take out megafauna and lack of natives in America (which doesn't even end up being a huge deal to the timeline), what you have is an early Americas colonization timeline, hiding a really, really cool Mongols Conquer Eurasia timeline that's really well done. There is really few medieval era-timelines that come close to EA's breadth and depth.
 
Vinland existing is hardly ASB. Seriously.

Maybe he's a century behind the times and doesn't realize that the sagas have been borne out by archaeological evidence?

I will be definitely looking at the finished timeline. I would be very interested to see what effects a Vinland established on a virgin continent has on Europe.
 

Morty Vicar

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Lower the anger level. You didn't even write the T/L.

I'm with this guy here, if someone thinks a TL is ASB then fine, but at least give some reason why, if not some constructive way to make it more realistic. People can't just wander in and say 'asb lol' and expect everyone to just go 'ok my bad I'll delete my thread or move it just cuz you said so'. In this case the guy didn't write the TL, but even so he put a lot of effort into making the thread, and I've seen the same attitude when people have written a lengthy thread, putting in a lot of work and someone just handwaves it as ASB without any good reason (or doesn't bother to even give the reason) and no intention of contributing to the thread in any positive way. I can totally understand when people get annoyed at that, personally. I have done it myself, and said when I don't think things are realistic. But I at least say it respectfully, give my reasons why I think such, and try my best to think of other ways around it.

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I'm with this guy here, if someone thinks a TL is ASB then fine, but at least give some reason why, if not some constructive way to make it more realistic. People can't just wander in and say 'asb lol' and expect everyone to just go 'ok my bad I'll delete my thread or move it just cuz you said so'. In this case the guy didn't write the TL, but even so he put a lot of effort into making the thread, and I've seen the same attitude when people have written a lengthy thread, putting in a lot of work and someone just handwaves it as ASB without any good reason (or doesn't bother to even give the reason) and no intention of contributing to the thread in any positive way. I can totally understand when people get annoyed at that, personally. I have done it myself, and said when I don't think things are realistic. But I at least say it respectfully, give my reasons why I think such, and try my best to think of other ways around it.

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Feel the same.

As for the TL itself, I'll try and find some time to give it a read. I'm usually not for these kinds of TLs because they tend to just be thought up in a 'guilt free' colonization manner instead of exploring the HUGE butterflies from a massively different ecology that would have arrisen without humans running around the continents.
 
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I'm with this guy here, if someone thinks a TL is ASB then fine, but at least give some reason why, if not some constructive way to make it more realistic. People can't just wander in and say 'asb lol' and expect everyone to just go 'ok my bad I'll delete my thread or move it just cuz you said so'. In this case the guy didn't write the TL, but even so he put a lot of effort into making the thread, and I've seen the same attitude when people have written a lengthy thread, putting in a lot of work and someone just handwaves it as ASB without any good reason (or doesn't bother to even give the reason) and no intention of contributing to the thread in any positive way. I can totally understand when people get annoyed at that, personally. I have done it myself, and said when I don't think things are realistic. But I at least say it respectfully, give my reasons why I think such, and try my best to think of other ways around it.

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I agree, but my main criticism is the location of Vinland in the beginning of the TL, which is New Brunswick. Which is blatantly wrong and should be in Newfoundland, which isn't called Markland.
 
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