DBWI: SquareSoft had made Final Fantasy VII for the PlayStation?

woweed · Oct 22, 2014

So I was reading some old gaming news and I found that apparently SquareSoft was planning to make Final Fantasy VII for the PlayStation before Nintendo loosed it's censorship restraints and switched to the CD format. So the question is What If Nintendo did neither of those things and instead Square made the game for Sony? My guess is that without the sudden surge in sales caused by the game the N64 may have lost the Console Wars and the PlayStation may have succeeded and Sony would have stayed in the Console business. One bright side I can think of is with a third competitor drawing Nintendo's attention, Sega might have the Dreamcast be a success and not have gone out of business in the 6th Generation. On the down side, no FF7 for N64 means the console doesn't have the OTL RPG boom which means no Mother 64. The lack of RPGS also probably makes the system lees appealing to Strategy games which means no Fire Emblem 64 or Advance Wars 64. Your thoughts?

woweed · Oct 23, 2014

No one? I guess i'll throw more ideas out. Well for one thing, we might not get the American versions of games like Mother,Fire Emblem and Starfy. You can DEFINITELY forget about Cloud being in Smash Bros. Does The Nintendo Cinematic Universe exist if Disney doesn't buy them in 2008? It's possible that as a result, Disney doesn't go on the great licence buying spree of the 2000s.
That means they don't buy The Muppets in 2004, Marvel in 2006 or Hasbro in 2010 and all the assorted movie franchises down the toilet!

Nivek · Oct 23, 2014

Umm we would still have an squaresoft? remember after their first try with a final fantasy movie(who Nintendo still counted for the Cinematic universe somehow), got them in troubles because Columbia Pictures(aka Sony) got them screwed because square did not read the fingerprint(who nintendo do with the abortive snes-cd before jumpint to philips for the cdrom of n64) and all the earning were to them, thus Nintendo saved them by buying it, maybe the movie will not happen here or will bomb? orignally the movie was to be science fiction(like Final Fantasy VIII made by Takahashi) rather the unofficial sequel of Final Fantasy VII.

And as you say, i'll hate it, was Nintendo-Square Joint Venture to Publish more game in the west that make not only more square old classics, but nintendo game like Fire emblem 64 and the remake of Fire Emblem 4(still was big how we got that game, with the dark themes and all), meaning maybe fire emblem will not leave japan at all(why bother to included it in smash if nobody knew it) Mother 3 Localization and other stuff.

That chilling me dude, and what will sony do with square? they OTL overpushed were action and 3d platfomer over anything else, even Enix who wanted to push some RPG got backhanded because Sony of America infamous hate of 'nerd games'.

woweed · Oct 23, 2014

Would Zelda RPG for the N64 be made?

Nivek · Oct 23, 2014

woweed said:
Would Zelda RPG for the N64 be made?

Like Super Mario RPG 2, that is dead jim, Zelda RPG born after miyamoto was so impressed with Final Fantasy VII, he asked square to make a Zelda RPG to keep the wait for Ballad of Time(and trully worth it, Ballad extra year of wait with those Animated Cutscenes from Studio Ghilbi) even if Zelda RPG used the OLD 3D model(aka the Strawberry Haired Link) rather the more impresive Ballad one

Would Kingdom Hearts Happen? IIRC square wanted to do a Disney RPG but Nintendo holded the rights of mickey and the simple lend and lease it to square in exchange the game be a Starcube Launch Title(maybe the best alongside Luigi Mansion) and i can not imagine that game without mickey, would even a ps1 run that game if they got with sony?

woweed · Oct 23, 2014

Nivek said:
Like Super Mario RPG 2, that is dead jim, Zelda RPG born after miyamoto was so impressed with Final Fantasy VII, he asked square to make a Zelda RPG to keep the wait for Ballad of Time(and trully worth it, Ballad extra year of wait with those Animated Cutscenes from Studio Ghilbi) even if Zelda RPG used the OLD 3D model(aka the Strawberry Haired Link) rather the more impresive Ballad one

Would Kingdom Hearts Happen? IIRC square wanted to do a Disney RPG but Nintendo holded the rights of mickey and the simple lend and lease it to square in exchange the game be a Starcube Launch Title(maybe the best alongside Luigi Mansion) and i can not imagine that game without mickey, would even a ps1 run that game if they got with sony?

Speaking of Studio Ghilbi, without FF7, does Disney buy them in 2000 and turn them into Walt Disney Animation Japan?

Nivek · Oct 23, 2014

woweed said:
Speaking of Studio Ghilbi, without FF7, does Disney buy them in 2000 and turn into Walt Disney Animation Japan?

Depend if they don't make that Bomb(i even forget the movie) when princess monomoke was amazing, that attepmt of 3d movie was terribad(but acording what i've read was the miyazaki son who wanted to push that because how 3d games were) and make the studio accept the offer of disney, remember N64 pushing 3D(more advance of PS1) cinematics who make a worldwide impact, specially after toy story megahit.

Other POD, would FOX and Lucasarts merge still happen? IIRC that happened because after disney getting hasbro and pushing transformer 3 and 4 megahit, they got scare they will got for starwars and give George Lucas a deal he can not refuse, will Episode VII still be coming?

woweed · Oct 23, 2014

Will the Hasbro Cinematic Universe still happen? Without Disney starting 2 other Cinematic Universes and starting the current trend, i'm betting we never see it. Oh, the sadness of a world that never sees a Transformers, My Little Pony and Care Bears crossover...[1]
[1] On a side note, can I just say how incredible it is that those gained such A teenage and adult fallowing and especially A male one. Once 4chan latched on, Tumblr brought in the female viewers and...

Nivek · Oct 23, 2014

you answered your own question, and with not disney, Hasbro will never get Joss Wheldon, Gendy Tartatosky and Yurie Hattorie and other to manage the canon of the cinematic universe that would be afwul if not keep with the thight continuity.

After Watching Smash Direct today, losing Cloud, Fei(FFVIII protagonist), Tidus and Shulk would be so much, we will still get that DLC too?

woweed · Oct 23, 2014

I'm guessing that the Yu-Gi-Oh and Digimon theatrical live action movies don't get made without the Anime Boom

Nivek · Oct 23, 2014

woweed said:
I'm guessing that the Yu-Gi-Oh and Digimon theatrical live action movies don't get made without the Anime Boom

for yugioh that would be more neutral(still all movies till the 10th anniversary suck thus nothing of value was lost) but digimon one who was at least decent, and that will be a big loss for both Bandai and Konami who pushed those movies.

Again other Question, we would Still have console pokemon? that was made by square staffer again in colaboration with Gamefreak and HAL(who need extra help with Mother 3 too) and the need of CD for the Anime ripped Cutscenes?

and will nintendo even try movies if not bailing out Square Pictures and making the deal with disney?

woweed · Oct 23, 2014

So Disney is weaker, which means Viacom might not buy CBS to fight them.

woweed · Oct 23, 2014

Nivek said:
Other POD, would FOX and Lucasarts merge still happen? IIRC that happened because after disney getting hasbro and pushing transformer 3 and 4 megahit, they got scare they will got for starwars and give George Lucas a deal he can not refuse, will Episode VII still be coming?

You've got that right, not to mention Fox not buying The Tolkien Estate or Harry Potter, the 2 franchises that has led to them and Disney being the "Big Two." Of the entertainment industry.

Nivek · Oct 23, 2014

woweed said:
You've got that right, not to mention Fox not buying The Tolkien Estate or Harry Potter, the 2 franchises that has led to them and Disney being the "Big Two." Of the entertainment industry.

Will FOX not doing that will kill the book for movie adpation? they struck gold when got the lord of the rings and them saw the potential of harry potter(who was in development hell until FOX was able to find good british actors) and that make people jumped into it with low quality book(aka twilight) but not twilight would be the best for the world.

But will Nintendo not bailing out Square Pictures and Square, will they even try movies? remeber that they got some faith for making a zelda and mario movie and cop out disney help for writers and directos, that is how nintendo-disney deal born, would even happen at all?

woweed · Oct 23, 2014

Nivek said:
Will FOX not doing that will kill the book for movie adpation? they struck gold when got the lord of the rings and them saw the potential of harry potter(who was in development hell until FOX was able to find good british actors) and that make people jumped into it with low quality book(aka twilight) but not twilight would be the best for the world.

Yes I think it would kill the book-to-move transition. Yes that means no Twilight, but it also means no Hunger Games, Rick Riordan based movies or Artemis Fowl. It would be a shame to lose any of those, especially The Percy Jackson series which were some of the most faithful adaptions iv'e seen and the Lost Hero and Red Pyramid movies which are the start of new series shaping up to be just as good and have just as good CGI.

Nivek · Oct 23, 2014

woweed said:
Yes I think it would kill the book-to-move transition. Yes that means no Twilight, but it also means no Hunger Games, Rick Riordan based movies or Artemis Fowl. It would be a shame to lose any of those, especially The Percy Jackson series which were some of the most faithful adaptions iv'e seen and the Lost Hero and Red Pyramid movies which are the start of new series shaping up to be just as good and have just as good CGI.

yeah so much would have been loss too, and i don't imagine disney picking more, specially if they don't want to push the tween and teengaer market that hard like currently does after missing that train.

How would be Videogames again? Would Capcom put Resident Evil in Nintendo after watchin the potential with the Director Cut and abandon sony ship? Playsation RE was pretty ugly when comparing the smoothness of N64, RE2 being n64 exclusive , would that kill the george romero and paramount movie too?

woweed · Oct 23, 2014

Nivek said:
yeah so much would have been loss too, and i don't imagine disney picking more, specially if they don't want to push the tween and teengaer market that hard like currently does after missing that train.

How would be Videogames again? Would Capcom put Resident Evil in Nintendo after watchin the potential with the Director Cut and abandon sony ship? Playsation RE was pretty ugly when comparing the smoothness of N64, RE2 being n64 exclusive , would that kill the george romero and paramount movie too?

I hope not, I loved the George Romero movie

Nivek · Oct 23, 2014

woweed said:
I hope not, I loved the George Romero movie

So do I but butterflies can be a bitch, specially if Sony-Columbia want to meedle with it(as they've capcom position in videogames if not moved resident evil from PS).

Umm, Will Final Fantasy VIII happen as OTL? when tetsuya takahashi was promoting Final Fantasy XVI in E3 this year he mentioned this script was almost refused when Sakaguchi after a negotiation with nintendo saw potential for using it as 'Sci Fi Final Fantasy' and even when people think was 'too cerebral' i loved it, that pretty deep and mature writting, would not have been accepted because sony was too adamnt of 'nerdy games'?

woweed · Oct 24, 2014

Nivek said:
Umm, Will Final Fantasy VIII happen as OTL? when tetsuya takahashi was promoting Final Fantasy XVI in E3 this year he mentioned this script was almost refused when Sakaguchi after a negotiation with nintendo saw potential for using it as 'Sci Fi Final Fantasy' and even when people think was 'too cerebral' i loved it, that pretty deep and mature writting, would not have been accepted because sony was too adamnt of 'nerdy games'?

There was a "Sci-Fi Final Fantasy." Too bad Phantasy Star went down with Sega

Nivek · Oct 24, 2014

woweed said:
There was a "Sci-Fi Final Fantasy." Too bad Phantasy Star went down with Sega

OOC: what was OTL Xenogears, some ideas of takahashi(clones, amnesia soldier who was far low fry, life energy,alongside gnotics spice,sound familiar?) were used in FFVII but he have a far more advance script he wanted to use as FFVIII, sakaguchi seem the he don't get the history and would be to complicate to teenagers but loved the idea and approved as the new ip we knew as xenogears, later square boycott takahashi, he leave for namco, namco screwed him and landed in nintendo we we loved his Xenoblade and upcoming Xenoblade X(here Xenoblade woulld be Final Fantasy XIV or XV, and Xenoblade X XVI), for that i mention Sci-Fi Final FANTASY.

IC: Yeah a shame indeed, CSK and isao okawa loss all faith the company when Saturn and later Aurora were failure so big sega was bankrupt, see was easier to left to die sega than sell it or salvaged it, at least Capcom Buyed the arcade business and Nintendo hired the talent of Yu Suzuki, Toshiro Nagoshi, Yuji naka and others, they did make great work in nintendo even if Sonic is now part of Universal and they only think do that CGI movie soon.

Would with Nintendo not beating Sony would've sega stood a chance? or they were DOOMED as all game media say?