AHC/PC: Prosperous Multireligious/Multi-linguistic/Multicultural/Multiracial Nations

Although Multireligious/Multi-linguistic/Multicultural/Multiracial Nations are a beauty for their diversity the bad thing is that they are also associated with poverty, crime, and other major problems all due to the caste system that makes some groups more equal than others.

But can such a society that is rich, democratic, more equal, and free of most major internal problems exist? What countries fall into that category?

And normally this would be Chat but I want to see which nations could fall into this category so I put it here instead.
 
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guinazacity

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Although Multireligious/Multi-linguistic/Multicultural/Multiracial Nations are a beauty for their diversity the bad thing is that they are also associated with poverty, crime, and other major problems all due to the caste system that makes some groups more equal than others.

But can such a society that is rich, democratic, more equal, and free of most major internal problems exist? What countries fall into that category?

And normally this would be Chat but I want to see which nations could fall into this category so I put it here instead.


Brazil, Mexico, Indonesia fall on this category and don't really have a caste system.
 
Brazil has racial issues and urban poverty, Mexico is wracked by drug violence and indio-mestizo conflicts, and Indonesia has to deal with the massive imbalance in populations between islands, not to mention Irian Jaya.
 
China is multilingual.

All nations in asia including Japan except korea is multilingual because Tohoku, Kyushu, Hachijo and some other dialects could be considered separate languages in their own right.
 

elkarlo

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China is multilingual.

All nations in asia including Japan except korea is multilingual because Tohoku, Kyushu, Hachijo and some other dialects could be considered separate languages in their own right.


Hmmm, I am not sure if you'd say that the Japanese dialects are seperate languages. Though they are often not mutually intelligible.
That said, most everyone can speak or at least understand the Tokyo dialect.

My wife's family is from Sendai, and Yamagata. I often get lost when speaking to people from Yamagata. As they add in random words that I have no idea. Even my wife has trouble.
 
Although Multireligious/Multi-linguistic/Multicultural/Multiracial Nations are a beauty for their diversity the bad thing is that they are also associated with poverty, crime, and other major problems all due to the caste system that makes some groups more equal than others.

But can such a society that is rich, democratic, more equal, and free of most major internal problems exist? What countries fall into that category?

And normally this would be Chat but I want to see which nations could fall into this category so I put it here instead.

Honestly, most of the problems that Brazil, Indonesia, etc., have very little to do with inter-ethnic conflict, at least in this day and age; in most cases, if anything, it's got to do with bad government.....in fact, this isn't even true for all of these countries, as Canada is quite multicultural and functions quite well, as does New Zealand and the U.K.
 
Singapore and Taiwan are both multicultural and multilingual, Singapore more so than Taiwan, but neither are impoverished or have major problems with interethnic strife.

While not as rich, Thailand is multilingual as well. Most of Thailand's problems stem from the government, not from its linguistic diversity.
 
What kind of standard of "multi-ness" are we talking about here? I don't really think of Brazil, Mexico or Taiwan as multilingual countries. Each has a single official language, with minority languages given only nominal "recognition". I don't think of them as particularly diverse religiously either; if you meet a Brazilian or Mexican, there's a strong chance he/she will be Christian, and if you meet a Taiwanese person, he/she will very likely practice a combination of Buddhism/Taoism.

Indonesia I can kind of see, although in religious terms it's nearly 90% Muslim. There are Christian and Hindu minorities, but when they're outnumbered by almost a 9-to-1 margin by Muslim, does that make Indonesia "multi-religious"?

If we define "multi" as "rough numerical equality between different groups" there really aren't that many multicultural countries: India, some countries in West and East Africa, and maybe Guyana and Suriname.
 
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Social mobility is still very hard even though the government won't stop them. The fact that socioeconomic inequality plays into all of this is why some groups are pressured at the bottom while it balloons others in the top.

So the system is de facto but not de jure.

Ah, I know what you meant by not seen; I was looking for the particular classes that formed a caste system, in your opinion. Social mobility outcomes are strongly tied to both concept of race and initial incomes in the United States on a broad scale, but I don't know of anyone (beyond firm ideologues or sensationalist media) who would argue that a caste system is in place.
 

PhilippeO

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in Brazil and Mexico there are still difference between White - Meztizo (Brown) - Indian, with generally richer class are whiter. There also regional difference with Coastal Area in Brazil and Mexico City and surrounding dominated the country.

in Indonesia there are difference between Javanese who dominated the country, Chinese as market minority who rich but religiously different and relatively powerless politically and militarily. There also regional difference, Makassarese (south-east Sulawesi) are quite dominant in Eastern part, In Borneo there are Malays, Maduran (Madurese?) (as immigrant traders), Chinese and Dayaks who had different economic dominance.

There also massive class system, there are several hundred family who thoroughly dominated politic and economy in Indonesia, Brazil and Mexico.
these family often practically marry each other, become elite class.

China and Japan is de-facto Uniculture state. language difference (or other regional difference) is minimized by national ideology and its own people self-consciousness. Taiwan also unicultural for same reason.

Singapore is de-facto dominated by ethnic chinese, and certainly neither equal or democratic. in the future Singaporean identity might dominant, but for now its Chinese identity is still strong.

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If Multireligious/Multi-linguistic/Multicultural/Multiracial Nations become successful, they will create new identity that de-emphasize that. so its unlikely that such state can exist. in USA whiteness (and protestanism in 19th century) provide unifying factor. in Switzerland, despite language and religious difference, they succeed create their own identity.

State with class/religion/linguistic/tribal/racial/cultural conflict surface and sub-national difference dominated people self-consciousness other hand would become unsuccessful.
 
If Multireligious/Multi-linguistic/Multicultural/Multiracial Nations become successful, they will create new identity that de-emphasize that. so its unlikely that such state can exist. in USA whiteness (and protestanism in 19th century) provide unifying factor. in Switzerland, despite language and religious difference, they succeed create their own identity.

State with class/religion/linguistic/tribal/racial/cultural conflict surface and sub-national difference dominated people self-consciousness other hand would become unsuccessful.

If a country was made out of immigrants to the point there are around equal proportions of different types of groups would that country be more likely to survive?
 
Canada is not multicultural outside of the Anglo-French divide, which consumes a lot of their politics. They have a fair amount of immigration but it is very high skilled and very integrated.
 

elkarlo

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Singapore and Taiwan are both multicultural and multilingual, Singapore more so than Taiwan, but neither are impoverished or have major problems with interethnic strife.

While not as rich, Thailand is multilingual as well. Most of Thailand's problems stem from the government, not from its linguistic diversity.


I would say that Taiwan is more multi ethnic than it is multicultural. As most of the people have similar phenotypes. As opposed to being totally racially different ala Jamaicans in England.
 
Modern Singapore? Well, it's not a democracy, but it's adequately peaceful and prosperous.

Malaysia, and for that matter, pre-modern Kingdom of Malacca.
 
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