AHC: make Ireland the Portugal of the north

As the title says, this challenge is to make Ireland similar to Portugal in the sense that it remains independent of it's larger neighbour, and takes a large part in the colonization of the Americas.

They don't necessarily have to be leading the first expeditions, like Portugal did, but they have to become a colonial power.

PoD can be as early as necessary, as far as it's not in the antiquity.

I assume uniting the island under a stable dinasty would and becoming a mercantile state with a notable fleet would be essential.
 
I think it might help if Scotland were also interested in the Emerald Isle, so Ireland could play England and Scotland off against each other.
 
It is doable except for one thing. The Portuguese were rich. They paid something that would amount in today money of about £4 Trillion to the church. Sorry I meant to say "Donated". All this just so the Pope would recognise that the Portuguese King was as divine as any other. The problem for Ireland other than being traditionally poor and hard to produce any crops in, is that it was almost impossible to unit the place. The Irish Kingdoms wouldn't bow to any one king and would only unit when a bigger threat came along. This only worked until England finally united and drove off the Vikings. The combined might of all the Irish Kingdoms wouldn't be enough to stop them.

If you can make them rich then you can pull this off, but for that to happen you are going to need some pretty big butterflys.

1. Unite Ireland. That is your primary concern. Do this before the Vikings if you can.

2. Establish trade practices. Ireland is not particularly rich in anything so make the kings funnel as much of their income into the land. Once Ireland starts producing grains and other produce on a scale greater than it's needs it will start become a profitable place. Once that's done start establishing trade practices. Make Ireland a place where merchants want to trade in, even if Ireland doesn't produce the resource they are interested in. This will take at least two generations to happens and a lot of gold.

3. Hold off the Vikings and cement the unity of Ireland. If you can do this you have a nation that could weather any storm. When England does turn it's gaze on Ireland it needs to feel the pain that will come from fighting a united people not just physically, but in it's purse strings.

4. This is probably the most difficult to do. Make it so Ireland gets to North America around the same time as Portugal. Portugal did so well for itself because the rest of Europe had to play catch-up.

5. Whatever happens stay out of the affairs of Europe. Until Ireland has a strong navy (something that will come from large colonial holdings), Ireland cannot afford to get involved with the affairs of the larger powers of Europe.


Good luck.
 
1. Unite Ireland. That is your primary concern. Do this before the Vikings if you can.

I have rather limited knowledge of the Viking era in Ireland, but I believe there have been times when a High King managed to unite the island. Perhaps the Viking threat can be used by a ruler to push towards unification and centralization?


2. Establish trade practices.

Perhaps they could somehow join the Hansa League, at least as a partner somehow?
 
It is doable except for one thing. The Portuguese were rich. They paid something that would amount in today money of about £4 Trillion to the church. Sorry I meant to say "Donated". All this just so the Pope would recognise that the Portuguese King was as divine as any other.
What are you talking about precisely? :confused:
 
As the title says, this challenge is to make Ireland similar to Portugal in the sense that it remains independent of it's larger neighbour, and takes a large part in the colonization of the Americas.

They don't necessarily have to be leading the first expeditions, like Portugal did, but they have to become a colonial power.

PoD can be as early as necessary, as far as it's not in the antiquity.

I assume uniting the island under a stable dinasty would and becoming a mercantile state with a notable fleet would be essential.

I assume that if Ireland unites into one kingdom, it can play a similar role as Scotland in the British Isles. IIRC they actually had a slightly higher population and being based on an island of their own, might give them a slight advantage, still in any PoD after England unites, England will be the dominant regional power.

Does Ireland need to be united by a native dynasty or could a Viking or part Viking part native dynasty do the same?
Such an Irish kingdom might end up with dynastic feudal ties to the European mainland (like the Plantagenets in England and France).

In terms of playing a great role in colonization, I'm not sure, both Portugal and the Netherlands could really punch above their weight due to their wealth.
Furthermore what kind of colonial power do you want Ireland to become? Should the main focus be on settlements or trade?
Either way IMHO they can play a role, but I doubt they'll be dominant.
 
Furthermore what kind of colonial power do you want Ireland to become? Should the main focus be on settlements or trade?
Either way IMHO they can play a role, but I doubt they'll be dominant.

Whatever works, or is more plausible. I don't want them to be dominant or be a powerhouse, but they should be able to pull their weight. For example I can see colonies in IOTL Québec, trading ports in Africa and maybe some islands in the Caribbean. Maybe even Greenland and/or Iceland.

Perhaps a Viking or part Viking dynasty might also help with the population problem, by having Christian Scandinavians settle on the island.
 
Most Irish land is better for grazing animals than producing grain.
Export of hides, meat, cheese, salt butter, and smoked or salted fish.
Maybe the Irish could get in to whaling.
Horses could be a big export too.
 
Especially since it has next to no resources. That tends to get people motivated and should have translated to piracy and thus a navy.

There was tons of piracy and a very strong naval tradition around Ireland it's just that the disunited Ireland could never field a navy to match the British. For example, Grace O'Malley, one of the last independent leaders in Ireland is known as the Sea Queen of Connacht.
 
In the sixth century, St. Brendan, an Irish monk who was widely reputed as a skilled seafarer, is said to have undertaken an ambitious voyage. Brendan, along with a crew of fellow monks, sailed looking for Paradise, the Land of Promise of the Saints. After seven years exploring mysterious lands, he came upon what he believed to be the fabled paradise. It was an island so vast that he and his crew failed to reach the far shore after 40 days of walking. It contained a river that was too wide to be crossed. It was a wooded land, filled with lush fruits. He and his men filled their boats with gems they found there and returned home to tell of the news.
*It wasn’t until the ninth century that an account of Brendan's voyage surfaced, the Navigatio Sancti Brendani (“Travels of St. Brendan” in Latin). It was an instant hit, translated into several languages. The account talks of Brendan’s experiences, including his being pelted with rock from an island of fire, seeing a pillar of crystal and encountering a moving island before finally coming upon the Promised Land, which came to be referred to as the Fortunate Islands.
But as time wore on, the Navigatio -- along with St. Brendan himself -- passed into the realm of legend. If Brendan had lived -- as most scholars assume -- surely he couldn’t have traveled across the treacherous North Atlantic with the technology available at the time. Certainly, he couldn’t have beaten the Vikings to North America.
Ironically, it is Viking lore that lends support to the idea that Brendan was the first European in North America. Read the next page to find out about evidence for and against this idea.

More details below.
http://history.howstuffworks.com/history-vs-myth/irish-monk-america.htm
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Just why doesn't Ireland have much of a naval tradition? Seems like every island nation and North Sea state does.

Trees

It doesn't have many.

To be honest you have to have the Irish building a naval tradition by the 7th or 8th centuries and then finding another source of timber as the spread of the bogs and the need for farmland tended to result in early deforestation.

Total occupation by the Vikings and a Norse assimilation into Irish culture might do it.
 
Trees

It doesn't have many.

To be honest you have to have the Irish building a naval tradition by the 7th or 8th centuries and then finding another source of timber as the spread of the bogs and the need for farmland tended to result in early deforestation.

Total occupation by the Vikings and a Norse assimilation into Irish culture might do it.

Now Ireland does not have many trees.
In the past Ireland was a Major source of OAK for ships of the Royal Navy.

Concerns over a timber shortage which might inhibit the shipyards
appeared as early as the sixteenth century. Admiral Sir William Monson wrote that
woods in England were then “utterly decayed,” and began to be so too in Ireland.
15 As early as 1612, land lease documents show that lessee requirements could include the
planting of new timber trees and the protection of seedlings from cattle grazing,
demonstrating foresight in the protection of naval stores.
Insatiable Shipyards:
The Impact of the Royal Navy on the World’s Forests, 1200 1850
http://www.wou.edu/las/socsci/history/senior_seminar_papers/2012/Melby,%20Patrick.pdf


Culture - Trees and Irish Social History
The Early Christian, Viking and Norman Periods


In the period 500-1000 AD there were some 30,000-ring forts involving wooden construction and numerous wooden churches. The Vikings brought their wooden ships and indeed Irish oak was used in the construction of some of those, which survived until today. Wattle and daub buildings constituted the Viking towns such as Waterford and Dublin. The Celtic form of land ownership did not really change in this period other than the gradual expansion of farming into wooded areas.

The Normans (1200-1400) introduced new absolute ownership systems including the concept of Royal Forests ( SEE Module 2 – CLICK). These were areas reserved for the Kings (or his deputy’s) ownership mainly for hunting, run by an extensive administration of sheriffs and foresters with powers of death or torture in cases of infringement. This system was common in England and shaped and protected forests there. Royal forests never became widely established here and in Wicklow a local Bishop successfully challenged an ownership case by the Kings agent. This may in part explain why very few extensive forest areas survived. For the first time Irish timber was sourced for England. Wood was used in this period for wattling, bridges, housing and roads. Forest cover may have been as high as 50 % when the Normans came.
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Henry VIIIs Forest Act was driven for the demands for woods for shipping and under Elisabeth woods were cut down to contain rebellion. The Tudors had a keen eye for business and exploited woodlands for shipbuilding, house construction and staves and barrels for the wine trade. The charcoal industry was also set up. By the end of the Tudor era forest cover was down to 12%.

During the era of plantation (1600- 1700) extensive tree clearance for political and commercial reasons happened to the extent that Ireland became a net importer of timber. A large volume of ineffectual legislation by the Stewarts, William and Mary and subsequent monarchs was enacted to stop the rot but really ended up penalizing the Irish for traditional uses. There was a continuing demand for Irish oak particularly for London’s reconstruction after the great fire.

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Some reversal of the deforestation trend occurred in the 18th century with tree planting on the great estates once the owners felt politically secure. The RDS, set up in the 1740s supported tree planting with grants. However the penal laws and poor laws further discouraged the native Irish from land improvement and alienated them further from an interest in woodlands. However, two events of forestry significance occurred. Samuel Hayes the owner of Avondale wrote a book on woodland management and the Botanic Gardens were established in Dublin.

http://www.projectforest.ie/culture/index4.asp
 
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Ah but you were implying that Portugal had remained independent and became a colonization empire (what the OP wants to happen to Ireland) because it was wealthy. That's an 18th century episode, João V had his pockets full of Brazilian gold...

The part about João V buying out the Most Faithful Majesty title is true. The part about him getting the papal recognition of Portugal as a legit sovereign country with him as a lawrful monarch is obviously not. I edited that part out of wikipedia.
 
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