Thunder over Blue Ridge.

Thunder over Blue Ridge*​

A Norfolk and Western TL​


Looking back on it the decision of the Norfolk and Western Railway to stick with steam was a momentous one that even today still reverberates within the rail industry. Robert Hall Smith who was the president of the company at the time wanted to dieselize the railroad but the board of directors overruled him.[1] When he tried to protest the desicion the BoD cited the cheap coal, the fact the railroad already had the facilities to easily maintain and run steam and the lynchpin of their argument was that in tests that he had ordered a few years earlier to compare how diesels did VS steam the steam locos clearly came out on top.[2] When news about the desicion was heard among the other railroad heads the all had the same thought, “Are they insane?” Little did anyone know much that one desicion would change history.[3]




[1] Of course as we know in OTL they approved of it.
[2] In OTL it was a tie with the diesels wining out due to maintenance costs. I don't want to spoil what exactly was changed but let's just say that EMD unintentionally does something stupid with the F7 they send for testing.
[3] Sounds a bit like hyperbole but it does end up effecting history in a fair few ways. However the butterflies won't really start flapping until after the first decade or so ofthe decision with a few minor changes.
*Thanks to joeferrito for the title.
 
The state of the railroads after WW2​


After the second world war the railroads had emerged stronger then ever thanks to the increase in revenue it brought. However there were still some problems that they had to face which would drastically alter the railroad landscape in the comming years. Chief among them was the motive power of the railroads and the state of it. Most locomotives the railroads owned had been built prior to ww2 and had been heavily used during the war and were worn out. None of the railroads had been able to buy or build any new ones due to the ban on new locomotives during the war. This led to a perfect storm of factors that led to most railways dieselizing quickly.[1]


Norfolk and Western on the other hand was in a uniuqe position regarding its steam locomotives in that the line built most of its new ones themselves instead of ordering them.[2] While it was uncommon it wasn't unheard of for a railway to build its own locomotives and the advantage this had over the other railways was quite important. You see this allowed the N&W to easily manufacture any replacment parts for its locomotives which in turned lowered maintenance costs compared to the other railroads.[3] This in turn allowed them to keep making new steam engines and classes like the venrable 1941 J class and the mighty Y6bs.


Of course it wasn't all sunshine for the railroads after the war ended. Even though they emerged strong they would soon face competition from two competitors that very nearly snuffed them from existince.[4]




[1] It was a combination factors really but the engines being worn out didn't help matters at all.
[2] While they did have ones that had been built by Baldwin and Alco most of them had been retired or would be soon retired by the time of the trials.
[3] I'll admit i'm probably overestimating how much this reduces the cost but I can't find any solid studies about how much it did lower it.
[4] I'm pretty sure everyone knows what i'm talking about.
 
All right. Just reamber the Butterfly effect in this.

Of course I will. I have a rather strict view of it though that states only major events like say Kennedy not dying have them start flapping right away. In this case they'll be mostly asleep until the early 60's which was when it really started to get dire for the railroads.
 
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Looking good!

I LOVE steam..keep this coming. New locomotives were built during the war, both steam and diesel--but carefully allocated. One advantage of keeping with steam is that, in the '50's, some almost new locomotives were being scrapped. So, great bargains on some fine machines.
 
I LOVE steam..keep this coming. New locomotives were built during the war, both steam and diesel--but carefully allocated. One advantage of keeping with steam is that, in the '50's, some almost new locomotives were being scrapped. So, great bargains on some fine machines.

Thanks. I actually forgot how many almost brand new loco's the N&W would be able to get on the cheap. I'm honestly thinking that them buying some New York Central Niagara's for fast freight isn't out of the realm of possibility considering how cheap they could get them. As for for the fact some locomotives were built during the war I honestly had no idea about that. Every source i've ever read stated that the building of them was banned during it. Also one thing i'll be butterflying for sure is the preservation of steam. You'll be seeing a lot more preserved that otherwise would've been scrapped.(This means for example we'll have at least one NYC Hudson get saved.)
 
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I would advise you to remember that there are five factors I can see making this one very hard to keep working correctly:

1) Maintenance. Steam locomotives were maintenance intensive. They could last forever and didn't need major components replaced as frequently as diesels, but steam locomotive overhauls aren't easy work, and they require frequent maintenance to keep in operation with regards to fuel, lubrication and routine maintenance. Better components and standardized component design could fix a lot of these problems, but if you are going the path of buying secondhand locomotives from other railroads (the New York Central's Niagaras and Hudsons have already been mentioned here), you are adding to your maintenance costs. If you go this route and have a Andre Chapelon or LD Porta-like figure coming in to overhaul the fleet as you talked about, standardizing components would be a very, very wise decision. You also want to design everything possible with roller bearings, stokers, systems for ash removal and generally designing the improved locomotives for easier maintenance. Beyond this, the maintenance of many coaling stations, water towers, running shops, ash pits and other such facilities is a major issue both in terms of cost of operation and tax bills.

2) Crews. Firemen are unnecessary on diesel locomotives, but very much necessary on steam engines, even on steam locomotives with stokers. Working rules changes (and one acrimonious strike) caused the idea of crew sizes being reduced to be common by the 1960s. Diesels can easily be operated by one man, which is not the case on a steam locomotive. In the 1950s that's not a problem, but as financial issues come around, it will rapidly become one by the 1960s. On top of that, all the extra shop guys is another substantial issue to deal with.

3) Acceleration. As I mentioned in the ideas thread, diesel-electric locomotives make maximum torque at minimal RPM and get less efficient as speed rises, which is why they are all geared. (This is also a key reason why the most powerful locomotives in America at the time of steam, Union Pacific's gas turbine electrics and Krauss-Maffei's massive ML4000 diesel-hydraulics, had such different fates.) At lower speeds, however, diesels will get a train moving more quickly and easily than a steam locomotive of the same power. This is particularly important for a heavy coal hauler like the Norfolk and Western, particularly before their purchase of the Virginian railroad in 1959, because the N&W had some big grades to tackle on its routes through Virginia and West Virginia. (This is why they bought the Virginian in the first place.) This makes diesels look more efficient on many runs, particularly in the Appalachians. What might work well for you here is to have some diesels on the fleet used for pushing service and pairing them with steam locomotives, or the use of steam turbine-electrics.

4) Modernity. If you want to retain steam, making modern units is an absolute must, not just in performance but also in looks. Rebuilding will only get you so far, which is why I like the idea of steam turbine electrics and the use of electric motors on booster trucks. The NYC Hudsons and the various Pennsylvania railroad experiments (particularly the mighty T1s) styled by Raymond Loewy are a good place to start. Scullin disc drivers (like the NYC Hudsons) would be a must, and reliable booster units should be used across the board. The N&W's massive Jawn Henry steam-turbine electric would be an ideal drag-freight locomotive for heavy-freight trains if it could be made reliable and fitted with dynamic brakes.

5) Traffic. The N&W, like every American railroad, saw freight traffic grow massively in the 1950s and 1960s, and trains got heavier all the time. This is why locomotive power swelled rapidly over the decade, with the most-powerful diesels making power expanding from 2400 hp in 1960 to 3600 hp with the Alco Century 636 and the EMD SD45 in 1966. N&W's merger with the Wabash, Nickel Plate Road and Pittsburgh and West Virginia in 1964 will just about triple the railroad's mileage and massively expand its need for motive power, and butterflying that will likely result in much of the same fate as the Dereco roads in the 1970s as traffic problems hit.

One idea that occured to me is to rebuilt a particularly good base unit (perhaps an ex-NYC Niagara or a Y6b Mallet) with a huge condensing water tender with reversible electric motors on said tender and a pair of high-power generator units on the locomotive itself. Thus, the unit could use the electric motors for better acceleration at slow speeds, overcoming the traction advantage of a diesel, and also allow the locomotive to have dynamic brakes. Air-powered throttles (common on later steam locomotives) could conceivably also be modified to allow steam locomotives to multiple-unit with diesels by using the steam control to control diesel prime movers and the throttle control on the steam engine to control a diesel. (This would be impractical with a diesel controlling a steam engine, though.) This could allow you to have steamers until the 1960s, at which time you will need to rebuild many units for both better efficiency and reduced pollution.
 
I'm actually working out how to solve some of these problems currently. The only one of the 5 i'm not worried about is the traffic. The Y6b's could theoretically easily pull the heaviest trains of today even and this is before they get the Chapelon treatment.
 
I'm actually working out how to solve some of these problems currently. The only one of the 5 i'm not worried about is the traffic. The Y6b's could theoretically easily pull the heaviest trains of today even and this is before they get the Chapelon treatment.

True, but even then you still need to remember that diesels will get that train moving faster and stopped faster, and that difference in acceleration and braking will make a massive difference in the Appalachians. I wouldn't disregard that if I were you.
 
True, but even then you still need to remember that diesels will get that train moving faster and stopped faster, and that difference in acceleration and braking will make a massive difference in the Appalachians. I wouldn't disregard that if I were you.

Yeah quite true. It's more the stopping faster that's the real problem. Acceleration always seemed overrated to me really. Unless it's hauling passengers and still can get up to speed in a decent amount of time then it should've matter how long it takes to get up to speed.
 
Yeah quite true. It's more the stopping faster that's the real problem. Acceleration always seemed overrated to me really. Unless it's hauling passengers and still can get up to speed in a decent amount of time then it should've matter how long it takes to get up to speed.

Faster acceleration on a mountain railroads allows for freight cars to be on the road less time, which allows them to do more trips. Its the same reason why NYC`s Niagara steamers were designed with six day a week operation in mind, to get maximum usage out of the rolling stock you have. The faster acceleration would also likely reduce the number of helper districts you need, which reduces your crew and equipment costs.
 
Faster acceleration on a mountain railroads allows for freight cars to be on the road less time, which allows them to do more trips. Its the same reason why NYC`s Niagara steamers were designed with six day a week operation in mind, to get maximum usage out of the rolling stock you have. The faster acceleration would also likely reduce the number of helper districts you need, which reduces your crew and equipment costs.

..... I'm an idiot. I completely overlooked that fact big time.
 
..... I'm an idiot. I completely overlooked that fact big time.

No problem. I worked for a railroad in university and my degree is in civil engineering, with logistics as a specialty. This is what I used to do. :)

An example of just how much of an impact that makes can be seen on Baltimore and Ohio's "West End" route, which runs from Cumberland, Maryland, to Grafton, West Virginia. This is a nasty, nasty route, with the most famous problem being Seventeen Mile Grade, which is quite literally seventeen miles of 2.2% grade, climbing from 920 feet at Piedmont, MD to 2,628 feet at Altamont, MD. There were two other ugly grades on this route - the 2.4% Cranberry Grade and the 2.0% Newburg grade. The B&O during the steam era required three 2-8-8-0 Mallets for all coal trains on this route, and assigned double-headed 2-8-2s or 4-6-2s on all passenger trains, and despite this also required freights on some of these routes to slow to as much as 5 mph (!) on the trips uphill. Diesels arriving on this route knocked hours off of the trips through the mountains, through better acceleration and flat-maintaining air and dynamic braking. This saves on crew costs and allows better equipment utilization. The N&W's New River Gorge routes won't have this much of an effect (the grades are lower), but the effect is pretty obvious.
 
Do not gorget 'booster moters' many steam locomotives were fitted with these either on the trailing truck or the Tender. Developing these more would help the aceleration problem.
 
Do not gorget 'booster moters' many steam locomotives were fitted with these either on the trailing truck or the Tender. Developing these more would help the aceleration problem.

Those would help, but they are universally harder than hell on water and required frequent maintenance, and crews tried to avoid using them. They still wouldn't match electric motors, though. They would be useful on trains meant for long-distance runs for getting them moving, though, and be less complicated in that case than electric booster motors. You'd want an electric generator and air compressor to allow flat-maintaining air brakes, though.
 
Next update will be later then I thought. I'm having trouble putting down the right words to describe the returning soldiers and the impact they end up having on railroads.
 
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