Tziyonut Chai!: The Rise of Meir Kahane

DaHound22

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So I'm doing a TL, this TL, on an idea that peaked my interests quite a bit. That idea is the rise of the Israeli radical right-wing rabbi (alliteration) Meir Kahane. I came across this idea on this very website actually, though the people who did this didn't do it very well. My POD will be the 1973 Yom Kippur war, which Israel will lose dramatically, setting of a chain of events that will lead to a Kahane regime. Let me know what you guys think, your commentary will be very much appreciated and I'll see those want to see this story in about 20 minutes.
 

DaHound22

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The Yom Kippur War: Israel's Darkest Hour

-October 6th, 1973-November 12th, 1973

-Result: Decisive Arab Victory

-Combatants: Egypt, Syria, PLO and Jordan (PLO, Jordan join midway in the conflict) VS. Israel

-Casualties: 15,000 Syrian, 15,000 Egyptian, 5,000 Jordanian, 5,000 PLO
(40,000 Arabs total)
60,000 Israeli military, 40,000 Israeli civilians (100,000 Israeli total)

In Detail: The Egyptian-Syrian joint attack on Israel on Yom Kippur, Judaism's holiest day, October 6th, 1973, is even more successful then IOTL. The Israeli army is caught completely off guard, and within just 2 days, the Egyptians have destroyed the Bar Lev line, all Israeli tanks in the region (300, compared to just over 150 OTL) and moved their entire attacking force into the Sinai. The Israeli struggle continues in the Golan, and within just two days, the Syrians have taken the entire southern half of the Golan and began moving their force over the Jordan River and into the Galilee, Israel proper (NOTE: OTL, Syria actually had the opportunity to do this, but, for unknown reasons, remained cautious and did not invade Israel). With the Israelis fending off a serious invasion from Syria, Egyptian president Anwar Sadat begins moving his protective umbrella, and thus his army, further into the Sinai. He also convinces the PLO to fight with him, promising them their land back on the event of an Arab victory. By October 12th, the Egyptians have invaded the Negev and the Jordanian army has joined the Arab force, rampaging through the West Bank. Israel, already spreading it's forces to thin, is powerless to stop the PLO and Egyptians from rampaging Western, Central and Southern Israel, and Israel's cities are thrown into chaos. By October 18th, Jordanian and Syrian armies begin besieging Israel, and US aid appears to be too little, too late. As reports of rape, torture, beatings and other atrocities against its citizens continue to pour in, and with it's army helpless and Capitol surrounded, Israel calls for peace. The Arabs, however, refuse, finally seeing an opportunity to rid themselves of their most hated enemy. This bloody state of affairs continues for another 2 weeks until, finally, the US intervenes. Almost immediately after, the Soviets come to the defense of their Arab allies, and the 2 superpowers force a ceasefire, rather than risk a nuclear war, to which the Arabs agree only when their demands are met in the now infamous Treaty of Al-Quds.
 
Cregan

Cregan

DaHound22 said:
-October 6th, 1973-November 12th, 1973

-Result: Decisive Arab Victory

-Combatants: Egypt, Syria, PLO and Jordan (PLO, Jordan join midway in the conflict) VS. Israel

-Casualties: 15,000 Syrian, 15,000 Egyptian, 5,000 Jordanian, 5,000 PLO
(40,000 Arabs total)
60,000 Israeli military, 40,000 Israeli civilians (100,000 Israeli total)

In Detail: The Egyptian-Syrian joint attack on Israel on Yom Kippur, Judaism's holiest day, October 6th, 1973, is even more successful then IOTL. The Israeli army is caught completely off guard, and within just 2 days, the Egyptians have destroyed the Bar Lev line, all Israeli tanks in the region (300, compared to just over 150 OTL) and moved their entire attacking force into the Sinai. The Israeli struggle continues in the Golan, and within just two days, the Syrians have taken the entire southern half of the Golan and began moving their force over the Jordan River and into the Galilee, Israel proper (NOTE: OTL, Syria actually had the opportunity to do this, but, for unknown reasons, remained cautious and did not invade Israel). With the Israelis fending off a serious invasion from Syria, Egyptian president Anwar Sadat begins moving his protective umbrella, and thus his army, further into the Sinai. He also convinces the PLO to fight with him, promising them their land back on the event of an Arab victory. By October 12th, the Egyptians have invaded the Negev and the Jordanian army has joined the Arab force, rampaging through the West Bank. Israel, already spreading it's forces to thin, is powerless to stop the PLO and Egyptians from rampaging Western, Central and Southern Israel, and Israel's cities are thrown into chaos. By October 18th, Jordanian and Syrian armies begin besieging Israel, and US aid appears to be too little, too late. As reports of rape, torture, beatings and other atrocities against its citizens continue to pour in, and with it's army helpless and Capitol surrounded, Israel calls for peace. The Arabs, however, refuse, finally seeing an opportunity to rid themselves of their most hated enemy. This bloody state of affairs continues for another 2 weeks until, finally, the US intervenes. Almost immediately after, the Soviets come to the defense of their Arab allies, and the 2 superpowers force a ceasefire, rather than risk a nuclear war, to which the Arabs agree only when their demands are met in the now infamous Treaty of Al-Quds.
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Wouldn't Israel launch the Samson Option and nuke the Arab armies and countries before allowing this to happen.
 

DaHound22

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Lost Freeway said:
Here's hoping this doesn't turn out like JayoCynic22's Hail Zion!
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This had me dying XD Hail Zion was of the ones I found that got me interested on this topic. Don't get me wrong, it was terrible, but I liked the P.O.D. And the basic idea of a Kahane regime (tough not with all the genocide and conquest shown is Hail Zion)
 

DaHound22

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Lorgar said:
Wouldn't Israel launch the Samson Option and nuke the Arab armies and countries before allowing this to happen.
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I don't think so. In fact, as far as I can find, Israel didn't even have real nuclear capabilities until 1979.
 

sarahz

DaHound22 said:
So I'm doing a TL, this TL, on an idea that peaked my interests quite a bit. That idea is the rise of the Israeli radical right-wing rabbi (alliteration) Meir Kahane. I came across this idea on this very website actually, though the people who did this didn't do it very well. My POD will be the 1973 Yom Kippur war, which Israel will lose dramatically, setting of a chain of events that will lead to a Kahane regime. Let me know what you guys think, your commentary will be very much appreciated and I'll see those want to see this story in about 20 minutes.
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this being the lovely man who described Arabs as "2 legged animals". This cant end well as there would be little support for an at best apartheid state in the western world, not to mention some considerable soul searching amongst the diaspora. so a weakened Israel under Kahane post a defeat in 1973 would be largely on its own.
 

DaHound22

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sarahz said:
this being the lovely man who described Arabs as "2 legged animals". This cant end well as there would be little support for an at best apartheid state in the western world, not to mention some considerable soul searching amongst the diaspora. so a weakened Israel under Kahane post a defeat in 1973 would be largely on its own.
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Probably true. I'm sure I can stretch western support for at least a little bit. I mean hell, we did support that same apartheid South Africa you mentioned (granted, it came with considerable controversy if my memory serves me correctly)
 

DaHound22

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The Treaty of Al-Quds: Kick Them While Their Down.

-Signed November 18th, 1973

Conditions:
-Israel is forced to give the Sinai back to Egypt and the Golan back to Syria.

-Israel is forced to give the West Bank, Gaza and Jerusalem (renamed Al-Quds) to the Palestinians, for the creation of a Palestinian state.

-Israel is forced to pay for all Arab emigration from Israel to the new Palestine.

-Israel is forced to pay for the damages the war had caused to new Palestinian territory

-All Jews living in any of the lost territories are forced to leave back to Israel with no compensation what so ever

*NOTE: when negotiating the Treaty, the Arab leaders refuse to negotiate with Israel, instead negotiating with the USA on Israel's behalf. The reason, is the Arab nations believe that making treaty with Israel directly would imply recognition of the nation and, as a result, of it's right to exist. Israel, army and nation in shambles, has no choice but to agree to the terms the US has gotten for them.
 
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ruth

ruth

Am I the only one who is slightly suspicious of this?

JayoCynic22 "Hail Zion!: The Rise of Israel"
DaHound22 "Zionism Lives!: The Rise of Meir Kahane"
 

DaHound22

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ruth said:
Am I the only one who is slightly suspicious of this?

JayoCynic22 "Hail Zion!: The Rise of Israel"
DaHound22 "Zionism Lives!: The Rise of Meir Kahane"
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His story gave me the inspiration for my POD and a general interest in the topic, along with an idea in a TL titled Meir Kahane elected Prime Minister* nothing more, nothing less.

*the thing that originally got me started on this topic is I actually am an American Jew and my parents were very involved in politics, both here and there. I've seen more Meir Kahane speeches (among other Jewish leaders) than I could even count, and rather than coming from a place of what looks to me like antisemitism, I am coming at the topic with actual knowledge of Israeli politics.
 

oudi14

I think Israel losing that badly is ASB. Either they tell the US to come and rescue them NOW, or they use the Samson Option. Not even Tricky Dick, with all his Watergate problems, is going to want mushroom clouds over Cairo and Damascus on his watch. Or else the Israelis launch Samson without warning anybody. But I don't think Golda et al. were that stupid either. So the marines and the 101st come rushing in.
 
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