Alt war of 1812

Bouncing a timeline in my head. Gist is this: after the Louisiana purchase Spain tries to enforce the no transfer clause with France and invades Louisiana. Americans beat them off, with no gains on either side.

What would this do for the war of 1812? I assume it would go off as it did, but that the Americans would be much better off as the lessons learned from OTL 1812 they would have learned less than a decade before during the war with Spain. Any thoughts?

Jbsmagic said:

Bouncing a timeline in my head. Gist is this: after the Louisiana purchase Spain tries to enforce the no transfer clause with France and invades Louisiana. Americans beat them off, with no gains on either side.

What would this do for the war of 1812? I assume it would go off as it did, but that the Americans would be much better off as the lessons learned from OTL 1812 they would have learned less than a decade before during the war with Spain. Any thoughts?

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Not sure that Spain even had the capability to invade anywhere, seeing as how its internal territory was a theater for the not-really-but-sort-of-proxy-war between France and Britain.
Plus, if Spain attacks America, you might butterfly the War of 1812 altogether, seeing as how the US would now want to support anyone fighting the current Spanish government.

Spain had been at war with Britain and in

Jbsmagic said:

Bouncing a timeline in my head. Gist is this: after the Louisiana purchase Spain tries to enforce the no transfer clause with France and invades Louisiana. Americans beat them off, with no gains on either side.

What would this do for the war of 1812? I assume it would go off as it did, but that the Americans would be much better off as the lessons learned from OTL 1812 they would have learned less than a decade before during the war with Spain. Any thoughts?

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Spain had been at war with Britain and in alliance with France from 1796-1802, and found itself at war with Britain and in alliance with France in 1804...

Trying to thread the needle of the French Revolutionary and Napoleonic wars, and hang onto the Spanish Empire, was challenging enough; trying to wage war against the US for a territory that Spain had placed at France's disposal in 1800 and was mostly wilderness (maybe ~30,000 "white" settlers?) in return for Tuscany/Etruria hardly seems like a reasonable use of Spanish resources in the time frame under discussion...

best,