Canada after the War of 1812

Let's say that, however it happens, the US gains a little territory in the War of 1812, that being:

-the northwest corner of the Lake of the Woods up to the River Nelson, out to Hudson Bay, and all lands north and west thereof

'Canada' is reduced to (roughly):

-Ontario, Quebec, Labrador, Newfoundland, and the Maritimes.

The scenario I've posited would have this Canada evolve into the following Provinces/Territories:
-Ontario (peninsula up to French River/Lake Nipissing, Ottawa River on the east, Great Lakes to the south are its border)
-Manitoulin (north of this Ontario, up to the 49th parallel, west to our Marathon, Ontario, at 86°22' W),
-Opasquia Territory (west of 86°22' W to 95°9′12.2″W and north to Nelson River, and having a shore along Hudson Bay),
-Quebec (northern border is 49° N to Lac St Jean, into the Saguenay river, and thence into St Lawrence, and including OTL southern Quebec; western border is OTL),
-New Brunswick, Prince Edward Island, and Nova Scotia are OTL;
-Newfoundland is its own colony as is Labrador.
-Labrador would be a line from the northernmost point of Lac St Jean due north, an all the land east thereof, and the land north of the Great Whale River.
-The remaining land is Hudson Bay Territory; in the east, this goes to the Great Whale River.

Obviously, this Canada would evolve over time into this from its 1812 position, but my main question is, how would this Canada evolve over the next 200 years culturally, politically, and economically? Reduced land and resources, but wouldn't its eastern territories have resources it could use? Would this Canada harbor more resentments to the US, or did it not feel as much of a loss of HBC's Rupert's Land? Did Canadians at the time feel that Rupert's Land was 'theirs' to settle? Does the Canadian English accent sound more 'American' in this timeline, or would it separate like southerners in the US did after the Civil War? And does this Canada attract settlers in this timeline to reach 10-20 million people, or do they just head to the US? And which provinces/territories would you see evolving?

And for the US, in this timeline, it holds essentially BC, Yukon, Manitoba, Saskatchewan, and the northwestern territories. What would that do for hydroelectric, oil, etc? What kinds of states would you think we'd see out of it?

Well, I myself would posit in the instance of a decisive American victory that two things are likely to happen, First, that the need for a larger/better armed military is need in place in what eventually becomes Canada. One could also theorize the idea of the "Militia" myth mentality prevalent for a long, long time in Canada OTL is either diminished or otherwise DOA. Of course, people would be needed in more numbers for this, so maybe there is more/better incentives offered to both British and international migrants to fill out the country?

These are really just scatter-shot top-of-the-head ideas. Hope that might be helpful

Edit: Also, that's quite a few new states that could concievably be made, and I would bet dollars to Donuts (eh? ) that the Southern States would not be too impressed at the thought of being representationally outnumbered even sooner that OTL; I am going out on a limb to a degree here, since slavery wasn't officially abolished in the British Empire until 1833 But AFAIK it wasnt really as popular or widespread as it was in the US. So Long-term maybe an earlier American Civil War?

I had to look that up to know where you were talking about, so basically the border is here along Lake Winnipeg?

In all honesty, I don't see there being a "Canada" in this case - I see three separate British Dominions, one centered on Ontario, Quebec and the Maritimes each. There might not be a united "Canadian identify between the three, save perhaps loyalty to the British Empire. Heck, I could see Newfoundland and Labrador united to Britain proper.

Ironically, I see the Americans and the British mostly getting along pretty well after this. America never really cared about Quebec, and we'd likely be content to give up on Ontario and Acadia for control of the Western half of North America. Meanwhile, the Brits now have a British North America that will remain firmly under their control far longer than OTL.

As far as the US with a much larger West, you'll see a very different divvying up of the Western states. If and when a war with Mexico comes, we may take more of Mexico to offset the obvious free-slave state imbalance that would result, but on the other hand, maybe the fact the area would be sparsely settled might keep things calm until slavery is abolished.

with firm control over western "Canada" would there still be even as much land taken from Mexico?

There was such a debate in another thread. And my point of view is that no : no such need for mexican territories if the USA takes a big chunk of Canada.

Rabbit said:

with firm control over western "Canada" would there still be even as much land taken from Mexico?

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What land wouldn't they take? The Rio Grande is still the obvious border and California isn't going to remain Mexican if a war breaks out.

Rabbit said:

I had to look that up to know where you were talking about, so basically the border is here along Lake Winnipeg?

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I was thinking a border something like this:


Straight line from the northwest corner of Lake of the Woods, due north to the Nelson River, and thence to Hudson Bay, and all lands east and north of the Great Lakes and St Lawrence River, and keeping the current NY/VT/NH/MA borders. Green here is the US, Pink is Canada.

Rabbit said:

with firm control over western "Canada" would there still be even as much land taken from Mexico?

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The slave states in the US, if this happened, would push more for additional territory, including purchasing Cuba, and more from Mexico, I would think, including pushing for someone more inclined to ask for more land for more slave states. I'm not familiar with the Adams-Onís Treaty, but it could include Cuba in the deal; then, in 1840, Texan slaveholders could push to help Rio Grande become independent, and flood it with Anglo settlers when it does, and overwhelm the Mexicans there, and when the eventual Mexican-American War breaks out, the US takes Texas, Rio Grande, New Mexico, Alta California (including Baja), and likely down to Durango/Sinaloa. The newly smaller Mexico might even break up into several states as a result.