Hitler's/Nazi policies towards Africans or people of color

Question for the forum: it's a pretty safe bet that everyone is aware of the Nazi's hostility towards Jews, as well as Slavs, Communists, the handicapped,.. etc. My question is what were the Nazi policies regarding Africans or people of dark skin? I know in his speeches Hitler made many derogatory comments about FDR's "half-negrified" wide and the Nazis were obviously white supremacists. But when I look at the lists of Holocaust victims, I don't see numbers for dark-skinned people among the death tolls. Were there not that many Africans living in Europe at the time? What about during the Nazi occupation of North Africa? I hate to say this, but did the Nazis treat dark skinned people better than the United States did?
 
in a word no, there weren't many black people in Germany at the time but there were a few, the Nazis before coming to power claimed this tiny minority of mostly children were all rape babies the result of French colonial soldiers raping German women during the allied occupation of the Rhineland, in fact almost all were the children of mixed race marriages/relationships that German colonists had had with African women, since the colonies were no more they'd come back to Germany with their children and wives

any ways after the Nazis took power these children were sterilized on mass

Hitler on the topic:

Jews were responsible for bringing Negroes into the Rhineland, with the ultimate idea of bastardizing the white race which they hate and thus lowering its cultural and political level so that the Jew might dominate.
 
No, much more accurate to state they didn't get to large urban areas of negro populations in which to do perform "their work". If you recall North Africa was an almost purely Wehrmacht affair, iirc no SS units were even deployed in the North Africa theatre at all... plus the areas the Germans were primarily didn't have large amount of "dark skin people". They stayed almost entirely on the coast and spent most of the 4 years fighting, never really "occupying" areas. Plus North Africa was officially Italian anyways so the Nazis racial policies didn't apply
 

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The Reich was very openly bigoted based on Race. Musicians playing jazz were, by law, prohibited from swinging instruments more than a few inches in any direction. To do more was considered to be supportive of "Negro music".:rolleyes:

That being said, the Nazis were not that far beyond how the U.S., mainly, but not exclusively, in the South operated under Jim Crow. The Commandant of the USMC, when asked about enlisting Black Marines was accurately quoted as saying "he would rather have 5,000 White Marines and 250,000 Black Marines".:eek:
 
As black angel stated, essentially all of the mixed race "black" Germans, were sterilized not all that long after the Nazis took over. I don't know how they treated captured black Allied military personnel (whether colonial forces or regular). No doubt some black French colonial troops were captured in 1940, how many French and/or British colonial black troops were captured in N. Africa is unclear. As far as the US went, given that until very late in the war the only black troops were service troops unlikely to be captured (at least until the Bulge). I'm sure if there were any black troops captured by SS units, it did not end well.

In any cause Nazi ideology put blacks waaay down on the ladder, made the KKK look like the NAACP. Had they actually occupied any areas with large black populations the most likely result would have been literal slavery for all, and being worked and/or starved to death.
 
As black angel stated, essentially all of the mixed race "black" Germans, were sterilized not all that long after the Nazis took over. I don't know how they treated captured black Allied military personnel (whether colonial forces or regular). No doubt some black French colonial troops were captured in 1940, how many French and/or British colonial black troops were captured in N. Africa is unclear. As far as the US went, given that until very late in the war the only black troops were service troops unlikely to be captured (at least until the Bulge). I'm sure if there were any black troops captured by SS units, it did not end well.

In any cause Nazi ideology put blacks waaay down on the ladder, made the KKK look like the NAACP. Had they actually occupied any areas with large black populations the most likely result would have been literal slavery for all, and being worked and/or starved to death.

while there was no formal policy, some German commanders, likely fueled by general Nazi racial ideas and the specific myth of mass rape by French colonial troops in the 1920s, separated out black colonial troops from the other French in 1940, and summarily executed them, about 1,500 out of a population of 24,000 West Africans captured when France fell, they would be kept in far worse conditions than their white peers and would suffer a far worse mortality rate
 
The former managing editor of Ebony magazine told his life in book about growing up in Nazi Germany. He was refused entry into the Hitlerjugend and later during the war he tried to join the army and was refused entry. Vichy French soldiers were allowed to join the fight in North Africa, but that wasn't approved in Berlin. The only other military organization blacks tended to be allowed to join was the Free Arabian Legion.

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A picture may be worth a thousand words, but the photograph taken in 1933 of a brown-skinned boy wearing a swastika in a schoolyard in Hamburg, Germany, does not begin to tell the story of the remarkable life of Hans J. Massaquoi. Mr. Massaquoi, former managing editor of Ebony magazine, has now told the story himself in his new book, Destined to Witness: Growing Up Black in Nazi Germany.

"When I first heard about the book, I stopped in my tracks," said Yvonne Poser, associate professor of German at Howard University, who interviewed Mr. Massaquoi in the Pickford Theater on Feb. 16 as part of the Library's African American History Month program. "His is a victim's story that had yet to be told."

The question of how Massaquoi came to be raised in Nazi Germany is one he has been asked "millions of times." Grandson of the Liberian consul general to Hamburg, Mr. Massaquoi was born in 1926 to a well-to-do African father and a German mother. His early life was one of privilege, befitting the grandson of a diplomat.

"I associated black skin with superiority, since our servants were white," said Mr. Massaquoi. "My grandfather was 'the man,'" he joked.

His circumstances changed dramatically when his father and grandfather returned to Liberia in 1929. Refusing to expose her sickly son to a tropical climate, Mr. Massaquoi's mother chose instead to raise her son in Germany as best she could on her meager wages as a nurse's aide.

Although he had spent his early years in a villa, Mr. Massaquoi at first found life in a cold-water flat "interesting." What distressed him most was being the "oddity on the block."

"It was a constant problem," he said. "I was always pointed at because of my exotic looks. I just wanted to be like everyone else." Like other boys, he wanted nothing more than to join the Hitlerjugend (Hitler Youth Movement). "The Nazis put on the best show of all the political parties. There were parades, fireworks and uniforms — these were the devices by which Hitler won over young people to his ideas. Hitler always boasted that despite parents' political persuasion, Germany's youth belonged to him."

Mr. Massaquoi was dealt a crushing blow when he learned that the Hitlerjugend as well as the local playground were not open to "non-Aryans."

Two events that occurred during the summer of 1936 gave him "a genuine pride in my African heritage at a time when such pride was extremely difficult to come by." Two young black American athletes, boxer Joe Louis and Olympic runner Jesse Owens, dominated the news. Mr. Massaquoi initially supported Germany's Max Schmeling, who was scheduled to fight Louis but quickly switched his allegiance to "the Brown Bomber" in the wake of racist remarks attributed to Schmeling. His classmates had taken to calling him "Joe," which gave him welcomed prestige.

http://www.loc.gov/loc/lcib/0003/black_nazi.html
 
My question is what were the Nazi policies regarding Africans or people of dark skin?

Somewhat confused and ambiguous. Obviously they were inferior to whites and Any black presence in Europe was utterly repugnant. White colonial rule of "blacks" was appropriate; Hitler approved of the British Empire.

However, as "natives" living in their own countries, "blacks" asserting their national or racial pride got some respect. During the 1935 Italian invasion of Ethiopia, the Ethiopians appealed to many foreign governments for aid, including Germany. Hitler was impressed by the pugnacious patriotism of the Ethiopians, and ordered that they be given a dozen 37mm cannon and 2M reichsmarks credit for purchases from German arms companies. And Italians barely counted as "whites" to the Germans.

The Nazi regime had respectful relations with Japan (of course) but also with China (one of Chiang Kai-shek's sons attended the Hitler Jugend Academy), with Indian nationalists (Subhas Chandra Bose was an honored guest of the Nazis), and with Arabs (Mufti Amin el-Husseini was another guest).

On a personal level: Hitler was a big fan of the "cowboy-and-Indian" adventures of German pulp writer Karl May, set in the 19th century American frontier. May's most successful series featured white frontiersman "Old Shatterhand" (a German immigrant) and his blood brother, Apache chief Winnetou.

Hitler's venom was especially reserved for the Jews as aliens, mixed-bloods, intruders. Slavs were despised as a threat, and as the natural slaves of their Nordic neighbors.

Is this all rational or consistent? Of course not, but Nazism was as much emotional as rational.
 

Rabbit

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in a word no, there weren't many black people in Germany at the time but there were a few, the Nazis before coming to power claimed this tiny minority of mostly children were all rape babies the result of French colonial soldiers raping German women during the allied occupation of the Rhineland, in fact almost all were the children of mixed race marriages/relationships that German colonists had had with African women, since the colonies were no more they'd come back to Germany with their children and wives

any ways after the Nazis took power these children were sterilized on mass

Hitler on the topic:


To bad DNA testing wasn't around, I wonder what was in Hitlers Tree if he'd given it a good shake.
 

Thomas27

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Nazi germany have massacred black people who served in the colonial units of the french army.
I.E: rolling on "black" prisoner with a Panzer just for fun after the Siege of Lille and in some other occasion as I know.:mad:
 
Question for the forum: it's a pretty safe bet that everyone is aware of the Nazi's hostility towards Jews, as well as Slavs, Communists, the handicapped,.. etc. My question is what were the Nazi policies regarding Africans or people of dark skin?

Apparently not as hostile or openly genocidal like with Jews and Slavs, but generally hostile. Though there were a few black people in German auxiliary legions.
 

sharlin

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They got along well enough with Japan. An example of my enemy's enemy....

Nah they were disgusting yellow untermensch, but useful disgusting yellow untermensch none the less. The relationship between Germany and Japan was NOTHING like the WAllies had, it was purely an alliance of convinience, they didn't work together or anything and Japan and Germany did their own thing according to their own whims and needs.
 
The former managing editor of Ebony magazine told his life in book about growing up in Nazi Germany. He was refused entry into the Hitlerjugend and later during the war he tried to join the army and was refused entry. Vichy French soldiers were allowed to join the fight in North Africa, but that wasn't approved in Berlin. The only other military organization blacks tended to be allowed to join was the Free Arabian Legion.

Absolutely fascinating!
 
As I understand it the "only" nationality/race that Nazi ideology had a 100% extermination order for was the Jewish people. The Slavs and others were fair game for extermination or major population reductions not because Nazi ideas called for their destruction specifically, but on account of their being inconvenient for the development of the Aryan race. Hitler didn't like Slavs, but he was willing to tolerate the existence of a semi-independent Slovakia (the very name seems to mean "Slav" and its flag is a pan-Slavic tricolor) and enter into alliance with Bulgaria. Funnier still is how Nazi Germany was perfectly fine with the Hungarians, despite them being (to my knowledge) descendants of a nomadic people from north Asia. At the same time the view popularized about the Soviet peoples was that of a race of primitive Mongoloid half-breeds ruled over as slaves by a Jewish conspiracy. Nazism had only as much internal consistency as Hitler and co. needed it to.
 
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