Restoration of the Russian monarchy?

Could the Russian monarchy be restored in the Soviet Union? What sort of crisis would be necessary for this? A financial crisis for the Soviets? The confirmed survival of the Romanovs? Could a monarchical coup succeed in the Soviet Union in a situation of great instability?

To wit, I mean: a Russian Empire emerging full grown from the USSR after a period of instability, led by a direct descendant of Nicholas II. No Russian Federation or Putin in between. Would the Russian people have accepted a Tsarist regime taking the place of the Bolsheviks?
 
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IIRC they actually asked the claimant to the throne through GD Dmitri, but he refused because he had a prior commitment as mayor of Palm Beach. In hindsight he probably should have accepted, as Putin then couldn't pull the Putin Mendvedev switcher trick.
 
There is absolutely no possibility of a monarchist coup, or a popularly driven restoration.
The Bolsheviks killed the Tsar, but the Tsar killed Tsarism. None of the leaders of the White Russian factions- at least, none of any significance (Ungern-Sternberg doesn't count - were monarchists. There were no popular movements for monarchism.
By the 20s, it was gone.

So if you want a restoration then there are only three possible scenarios:

1. A restoration driven by other powers. This is unlikely- the Nazis were no fan of monarchs (stopped clocks et cetera) and in any case were never going to set up a Russian government at all, as that would imply Russians to govern.
The Western intervention in the Civil War was halfhearted, and none of the intervening powers liked the Tsar much. Even his cousin George V didn't want Britain to give him any support. Anyway, that wouldn't be a post Soviet restoration.
Maybe- and understand, this is vanishingly unlikely- there's a proposal to bring back a Romanov in the nineties if there's even more of a crisis of legitimacy in the new Russian state. That would probably require a candidate from one of the existing Royal houses, rather than some random descendant or the restoration will look even more hopeless.
That would require the backing of the West for the political theatre.

2. The Soviets are smashed, totally smashed by the Nazis somehow. Perhaps there's a second civil war in the 1930s following a surviving Kirov, and the Nazis sweep all the way to the Urals.
By the time the Reich implodes (with new suns rising over Berlin and Hamburg courtesy of the western Allies,) Russia is in complete chaos and must be rebuilt from the ground up. The Marshall plan on a far greater and more demanding scale.
A toothless Tsar is put in charge to give some sense of continuity to whatever regime the West backs. I'd look for parallels with the toleration of Hirohito post World War II- the allies get the mistaken idea that "Tsarism is the only alternative to Bolshevism that the Russian will understand."
I suppose you could have a variant of this scenario post Unthinkable, actually, but I'd be surprised if that timeline leads to the complete destruction of the Soviet government.

3. The Taiwan alternative.
In this scenario, which again is extremely unlikely, a Tsar is crowned somewhere on the Russian periphery during the Civil War. It can't be Nicholas, because he as a bloodyhanded idiot who destroyed his own legitimacy. It can't be Alexei, because the poor boy was merely bloodyhanded and bloodyeverything else and would be far too fragile to act as a figurehead. Maybe one of his brothers.

It would almost certainly be rolled up by the Soviets the way they conquered most of the breakaway states, so you need a much more fragile Soviet victory in the civil war, or a period of warlordism (unlikely)
Now, if this regime survives the twenties and thirties somehow- in Central Asia backed by the British, on the Pacific coast (even on the tip of Kamchatka or on Sakhalin) backed by the Japanese- then it actually becomes more likely to hold on due to being "The Good Russians" in the Cold War.
It won't be a pleasant place, and I doubt it would have any kind of civil society to speak of.
Chances are that when the Soviets fall it's quietly folded into the new Russia, but perhaps you get a Romanov candidate winning an election Bulgarian style before disappointing everyone with the family's historic incompetence.


All of these are very improbable scenarios, to say the least.
 
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A Russian Restoration seems unlikely at best and ASB at worst sadly enough. Nicholas killed any and all support for the Tsarist monarchy (which frankly got weakened over the years since his father but that is a story for another day.)

Their was little support for the monarchy after its fall, and even today the monarchist movement is nothing more but a fringe group within the Russian nationalist and ultranationalist movement. I don't see a reasonable way outside of perhaps Kaiserreich that could see a restored Russian Empire.
 
Could the Russian monarchy be restored in the Soviet Union? What sort of crisis would be necessary for this? A financial crisis for the Soviets? The confirmed survival of the Romanovs? Could a monarchical coup succeed in the Soviet Union in a situation of great instability?

I agree with others there is no real appetite for monarchy in Russia, although along with the revival in Orthodoxy there is greater interest in the Romanov dynasty than ever before. Russians are rediscovering their pre-1917 history and finding it isn't all terrible.

One of the main problems of course is there isn't an agreed candidate, although all those capable of understanding Romanov house law agree that Grand Duchess Maria and her son are the only living Romanov dynasts, there are others who pretend to be dynasts and cause dissension and confusion, which doesn't help the monarchist cause.

What you really need though is a Franco type figure who decides that Russia will be a monarchy again, either because he is traditionalist or simply because it will be a comfortable public front for a dictatorship.

At various times there have been rumours that Putin has toyed with introducing a monarchy, to be a focus for nationalism, he's probably the only one capable of doing it.
 
At various times there have been rumours that Putin has toyed with introducing a monarchy, to be a focus for nationalism, he's probably the only one capable of doing it.
Whoever they might be they would have to accept no power and merely stick to opening things and reading prepared speechs a la the Queen of Britain. Try doing a Prince Charles and Vlad would be giving them a nice long Siberian holiday.
 
Well, the idea that I have is that the Romanovs manage to escape from Russia and end up in exile in maybe Sweden or something. Sometime later, the Soviet regime is unstable (probably before Gorbachev) and collapses, and somehow a Tsar directly descended from Nicholas II ascends to the throne, whether through some Franco-like machinations or even a monarchist coup.

In this way there would at least be someone with a clear claim to the Russian throne. A monarchist coup wouldn't need the assent of the people, and I have this impression that the West wouldn't mind the method of government as long as it's capitalist and not hostile.

If this isn't entirely impossible I would like to explore this more.
 

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IIRC they actually asked the claimant to the throne through GD Dmitri, but he refused because he had a prior commitment as mayor of Palm Beach. In hindsight he probably should have accepted, as Putin then couldn't pull the Putin Mendvedev switcher trick.
If Putin is Prime Minister in a ceremonial monarchy, he would likely not be subject to term limits at all.

Whoever they might be they would have to accept no power and merely stick to opening things and reading prepared speechs a la the Queen of Britain. Try doing a Prince Charles and Vlad would be giving them a nice long Siberian holiday.
So like all other monarchies in Europe basically. Rest assured that Britain would not long tolerate King Charles if he behaved like he does now either.
 
Although unlikely, the probably one of the best moves Putin could make would to restore the monarchy, as it could allow him to entrench his power and push Russia's territorial expansion. It would also allow him to do this with a veneer of legitimacy.

Firstly, he could claim that the Romanovs are the legitimate rulers of Russia, and had always been, with centuries of Romanov rule, compared with the chaos caused by the Soviet Union. In reality he'd be appointing a pliant figurehead whilst maintaining the power to himself, acting as a sort of Cardinal Richelieu. By reviving the title of "Autocrat of All the Russias" he could claim that his dictates are somehow linked to a higher power. As wild as this may seem to people living in the West, keep in mind that in Russia, Putin is still immensely popular and he could probably get many of his followers to accept this. In addition, Putin could have the Tsar/Tsarina sweep away some of the remaining democratic checks on his power by Imperial decree, in a sense shielding himself from some criticism.

Secondly there seems to have been a revival in interest in Russia's Tsarist past, particularly the more popular rulers such as Peter the Great and Catherine the Great. Palaces have been restored and some rebuilt along with cathedrals and churches. New monuments have been put up to Tsars, including Nicholas II and his family who are considered martyrs by the Russian Orthodox Church. By having a real Imperial Family, he could parade them around in ceremonies tied to the church and appealing to the amsses.

Thirdly, Putin would gain control over the church as the Holy and Governing Synod had its members appointed by the Tsar. Putin would be able to promote church ideology favourable to the government. Perhaps a wise move for further gaining a grip on the masses would be for Putin to then promote religiousity amongt the masses and attacking non-Orthodox churches as "un-Russian".

Fourth and perhaps most important, Putin could claim that the Russian Empire's dismemberment into republics was an illegitimate act perpetrated by the Bolsheviks. That the Tsar is ruler of all the Russias, freeing him up to claim lands in Georgia, Ukraine etc. Also, he could sweep away with pesky "republics" claiming autonomy and replace them with the traditional guberniyas.

Finally, the revival of a nobility could increase the loyalty of the oligarchs and the military to the monarchy (and therefore Putin) by granting them priveleges and titles. Russia has a wealthy oligarchy that seems to love power, money and living lavishly. Many have built homes imitating that palaces of the Tsars and indeed are reminiscent of the boyar families of yore. What more fitting than to have the Tsar grant them titles of nobility and or knighthoods with the prestige of using a title. They'd love to be addressed with their new titles and I imagine many of the oligarchs and their wives would relish the ability to wear opulent costumes bedecked with jewelled orders and tiaras at court balls.

Of course this might seem ridiculous in the West, but the mindset in Russia is very different from that of Western Europe and the Anglosphere. A large segment of society seems to love pomp and military parades along with oppulence and excess. Also, the majority in Russia seem to like strong leaders, and who would be stronger than an Autocratic Tsar. Having a Tsar/Tsarina would free Putin from having to alter the constitution to extend his term-limits. Rather, he'd be serving at the grace of his sovereign, who is appointed by none other than God.
 
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Of course this might seem ridiculous in the West, but the mindset in Russia is very different from that of Western Europe and the Anglosphere. A large segment of society seems to love pomp and military parades along with oppulence and excess. Also, the majority in Russia seem to like strong leaders, and who would be stronger than an Autocratic Tsar. Having a Tsar/Tsarina would free Putin from having to alter the constitution to extend his term-limits. Rather, he'd be serving at the grace of his sovereign, who is appointed by none other than God.

Reviving not just a ceremonial monarchy; but a borderline-absolute monarchy complete with Divine Right, direct control over the Church, and an oligarch nobility wearing tiaras and waltzing around at court balls...

Interesting image. But it would be very, very ridiculous in Russia as well.
 
Reviving not just a ceremonial monarchy; but a borderline-absolute monarchy complete with Divine Right, direct control over the Church, and an oligarch nobility wearing tiaras and waltzing around at court balls...

Interesting image. But it would be very, very ridiculous in Russia as well.

I would have thought annexing Crimea a few years ago was too, but after working with lots of wealthy Russians, granted in Miami and hearing their opinions on things, I think anything is possible.
 

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First, this Lady would be Queen:
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Maria Vladimirovna, Grand Duchess and only living claimant to the Russian Throne

Second, a restored monarchy would likely be a figurehead with less power then the Queen (of the UK). Operates at official ceremonies, like opening the Durma, receiving ambassadors, official state dinners and such, although unlike the Queen doesn't get as much paperwork and isn't as involved in the day-to-day of the country, likely kept in the dark on numerous matters. I'm not sure what Russia thinks about Maria Vladimirovna though- as a Spanish born Russian/German, I'm curious how she would be received.

I could see this happening though if the Monarchist movement was better organised, something Maria Vladimirovna herself recognizes, and if Vlad or Dmitri are prepared to accept a return to Monarchy.
 
Curiously enough, Russia has brought back the two premier Life-Guard Regiments of the tsar, the Preobrazhensky and the Semenovsky Regiments as part of the Kremlin Regiment. They wear tsarist era uniforms when on ceremonial duty.
 
First, this Lady would be Queen:
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Maria Vladimirovna, Grand Duchess and only living claimant to the Russian Throne

Second, a restored monarchy would likely be a figurehead with less power then the Queen (of the UK). Operates at official ceremonies, like opening the Durma, receiving ambassadors, official state dinners and such, although unlike the Queen doesn't get as much paperwork and isn't as involved in the day-to-day of the country, likely kept in the dark on numerous matters. I'm not sure what Russia thinks about Maria Vladimirovna though- as a Spanish born Russian/German, I'm curious how she would be received.

I could see this happening though if the Monarchist movement was better organised, something Maria Vladimirovna herself recognizes, and if Vlad or Dmitri are prepared to accept a return to Monarchy.

I think Maria may be helped by the fact that she bears a striking resemblance to her most famous ancestor, Catherine the Great. :)
 
Maria Vladmirovna is accepted as head of the Romanovs by most of Europe's other royal families as she is usually invited to their weddings/funerals etc. I do know there was dispute about her sucession rights, but it seems she is recognised by the Patriarch of Moscow.

While I don't doubt she'd be powerless, I was envisioning more a scenario where she exists as does the Duma largely as rubber stamps for Putin. Even if she is not autocratic, the style of Autocrat of all the Russias would probably be maintained. Keep in mind most of Europe's reigning sovereigns maintain old titles that have any meaning, like the titles of the King of Spain.
 
Maria Vladmirovna is accepted as head of the Romanovs by most of Europe's other royal families as she is usually invited to their weddings/funerals etc. I do know there was dispute about her sucession rights, but it seems she is recognised by the Patriarch of Moscow.

While I don't doubt she'd be powerless, I was envisioning more a scenario where she exists as does the Duma largely as rubber stamps for Putin. Even if she is not autocratic, the style of Autocrat of all the Russias would probably be maintained. Keep in mind most of Europe's reigning sovereigns maintain old titles that have any meaning, like the titles of the King of Spain.

I suspect Maria would accept any terms offered if Putin agreed to make her Empress of All the Russias.
 
Then let me try a different tack. Would the peoples of the Soviet Union have objected to the Brezhnev regime being replaced by a monarchy, especially if this monarchy was competent?
 
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