Why no pan-Germanic union or association?

We have a Latin union of nations (or did until 2012), a pan Celtic union and an interceltic festival in Lorient. We have an Arabic league and numerous other pan-somethings around the world.

Why isn't there a Germanic union consisting of the UK, the commonwealth, Flanders, the Netherlands, Former Dutch colonies, German speaking Europe and Scandinavia? Why no music/cultural festival in Norwich one year and Bremen the next?
 
Perhaps because all the energy was spent on that before WWII with the German bunds and no one was interested in a pan-Germanic union after WII. I am part German and I went to a German fest a couple of months ago. When I was there I saw a t-shirt that had the word Ubermensh on it and I kind of winced when I saw it.
 
We have a Latin union of nations (or did until 2012), a pan Celtic union and an interceltic festival in Lorient. We have an Arabic league and numerous other pan-somethings around the world.

Why isn't there a Germanic union consisting of the UK, the commonwealth, Flanders, the Netherlands, Former Dutch colonies, German speaking Europe and Scandinavia? Why no music/cultural festival in Norwich one year and Bremen the next?

Because we're all still a little sore over what happened the last time somebody tried making a pan-Germanic union.
 
Because A) the English and the Germans don't have nearly as much in common now, B) the Nordic countries already have pan-Scandinavianism, and C) Pan-Germanism has historically ended poorly, to put it mildly.
 

RousseauX

Donor
We have a Latin union of nations (or did until 2012), a pan Celtic union and an interceltic festival in Lorient. We have an Arabic league and numerous other pan-somethings around the world.

Why isn't there a Germanic union consisting of the UK, the commonwealth, Flanders, the Netherlands, Former Dutch colonies, German speaking Europe and Scandinavia? Why no music/cultural festival in Norwich one year and Bremen the next?

So...Oktoberfest?
 

Sabot Cat

Banned
Pan-Germanism is about as popular as pan-Asianism with Japan; that is to say, the answer is pretty much "World War II".
 
We have a Latin union of nations (or did until 2012), a pan Celtic union and an interceltic festival in Lorient. We have an Arabic league and numerous other pan-somethings around the world.

Why isn't there a Germanic union consisting of the UK, the commonwealth, Flanders, the Netherlands, Former Dutch colonies, German speaking Europe and Scandinavia? Why no music/cultural festival in Norwich one year and Bremen the next?

1) There's a far greater degree of differences culturally speaking between the potential unionists.

2) Adolf Hitler. He's the #1 reason why Germany and Germans can't have nice things anymore.
 
So...Oktoberfest?

Locally, in Lafayette Indiana, the Oktoberfest event is run by the old traditionally German Catholic Church parish. However in the past thirty years Hispanics have become a major part of the congregation. Which has revived & energized the Oktoberfest party. The Mexicans are all for beer and Polka dancing. They do really well at learning the German words to the songs too :D
 
1) There's a far greater degree of differences culturally speaking between the potential unionists.

2) Adolf Hitler. He's the #1 reason why Germany and Germans can't have nice things anymore.

Amen. There were assorted other spoilsports earlier, but those could have been worked around. But, getting most of Europe burned to the ground in less than a decade, that is a whole different level of nasty.
 
1) There's a far greater degree of differences culturally speaking between the potential unionists.

2) Adolf Hitler. He's the #1 reason why Germany and Germans can't have nice things anymore.

Speaking to number 2; what if WWII or something equally poisonous to pan-Germanicism, never happens, then? Say WWI ends on a less harsh note for Germany, or they win, or the war doesn't happen in a way we'd recognize?
 
Speaking to number 2; what if WWII or something equally poisonous to pan-Germanicism, never happens, then? Say WWI ends on a less harsh note for Germany, or they win, or the war doesn't happen in a way we'd recognize?

WW I saw a brutal anti-German reaction in the U.S. - part of the general wartime hysteria. Sort of like the anti-Japanese-American hysteria in WW II, except of course no race element, but a much wider trend - there were a lot more ethnic Germans and Germanoid stuff. And the hysteria was pretty hot. There was little physical persecution of ethnic Germans (for obvious reasons), so the energy went into suppression of German cultural influences.

Take that away, and German cultural influence remains much stronger in the U.S., and the U.S. projects onto the world pretty heavily.

(This raises an interesting question: how much visible German influence was there in the Commonwealth countries before WW I? Also, how much in Britain? Some of the pre-WW-I Germanophobes claimed that all the German waiters in Britain were infiltrators. So there must have been a lot of German waiters. Were there German restaurants in Britain? There were Italian restaurants...)

If no WW I, and probably no WW II, Germany is much wealthier and much influential than OTL - and Germany OTL is pretty big stuff. Cultural pan-Germanism would be widespread. This would be a global thing - there were German immigrant communities in Latin America, and the U.S., and German colonies and settlements in Russia, plus all the volksdeutsch in eastern Europe.
 
This would be great.

Anything which helps Helene Fischer achieve world domination has my vote.:D:p

Seriously there is a great book "Noble Endeavours: The Life of Two Countries, England and Germany, in Many Stories" by Miranda Seymour which explores the long and happy relationship between the UK and Germany right up to 1914 and makes you wonder how different the world would have been if they could have just carried on in that fashion.
 
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