Beneath the Crimson Banner: A Timeline

Here's the first two-and-a-half pages of a novella-length timeline I' planning on finishing over the summer once school's out. This is more or less a total rewrite of an older, dead timeline bearing the same name. The present section is probably going to be greatly expanded once I get my hands on a specific book.

Thus far, I've used Red Victory: A History of the Russian Civil War and The Russian Civil War as sources from my university's library.

Read, enjoy, and comment! :)

BTW, section one isn't completed and may contain errors. Feel free to point them out to me or to suggest additions to what I have written so far.

Otherwise, that being said, updates might be irregular so be patient. Right now, I've got to finish over twenty pages of academic-level essays.

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Beneath the Crimson Banner: An Alternate History Timeline

The Capitulation of White Poland

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At the Second Comintern Congress held from July-August 1920, delegates looked on in awe at a large map placed on the wall of the assembly hall as miniature red flags marking the progress of the Red Army moved day-by-day westwards deep into Poland. The Bolsheviks were scoring a rapid flurry of victories there. It was hoped that its conquest would serve as a bridge into Germany, eagerly coveted by Lenin as the October Revolution’s saving grace, which hinged on the success of a European-wide revolution. Over the corpse of White Poland would come the long-awaited world revolution, or so he and the gathered Comintern delegates eagerly believed. Just by looking at the map, red flags constantly shifting, the delegates realized just how far their Russian comrades had come in the war overall.


The Soviet-Polish War began with several intermittent skirmishes between the Polish and Soviet armies, starting with the taking of eighty Red Army prisoners by the Polish Wilno Detachment at Bereza Kartuska in February 1919. These early clashes that took place along the disputed borderlands were hectic and chaotic, occurring at crossroads, forest trails, and in hedgerows throughout. As the Allied Powers made peace with an exhausted Germany, Soviet troops had initially ventured into the borderlands hoping that the fragile Soviet Socialist Republic of Lithuania-Belorussia (LBSSR) would remain intact in the heady year of 1918, when the global revolutionary conflagration seemed just within reach. The Polish Army meanwhile, possessing a varied assortment of weapons gathered up from foreign fronts, attacked the LBSSR’s capital at Wilno with the aim of establishing Greater Poland. Pilsudski personally led the campaign for its control, the city falling quickly despite fierce fighting after workers unexpectedly switched sides. The erstwhile capital of the LBSSR moved to Minsk, the short-lived state having been effectively liquidated after the Polish seizure of the major Belorussian city.


As consequent peace talks between the Bolsheviks and Poland faltered at Mikaszewicze, the Poles eventually received much sought after Allied aid in the form of rifles, ammunition, uniforms, and aircraft which arrived in force despite the onset of winter. In the spring of 1920 the Reds, having more or less won in the Baltic, Siberia, and South Russia militarily, soon amassed tens of thousands of soldiers on their Western Front in anticipation of finally settling accounts with Poland.


At once yearning for a restored Polish-Lithuanian federation, Lithuania’s refusal to form one prompted Pilsudski to set his sights on the defunct Ukrainian nationalist government of Simon Petliura, recognized as the head of state of the Ukrainian People’s Republic whose army was effectively put under the total control of the Polish high command. Heading into northwestern Ukraine, the Fourteenth and Twelfth Red Armies were easily pushed aside as the Poles entered Kiev unchallenged.


General Tukhachevsky was given command of the Western Front to meet this grave threat, Pilsudski’s forces having crossed the Dnepr River and formed a bridgehead along the eastern bank. The Poles could look towards Moscow, victory seemingly in sight. If there was a time when the war seemed irretrievably lost for the Reds, it was then, however temporary this fact proved to be.


A young nobleman who had turned his expert military services over to the Bolsheviks, Tukhachevsky possessed military cunning and a knack for the daring offensive, planning to strike north against the invading Poles from his headquarters in Smolensk. He was to win everlasting glory for implanting Bolshevism into Poland, likening himself to the conqueror Napoleon Bonaparte, his idol. The class war, or the national war according to some, would be waged against Poland with the full might of the Red Army behind the youthful general.


Elsewhere on the Western Front, the First Red Calvary Army, formed from a smattering of Cossacks and formerly lawless bandits, prepared to hit back against Pilsudski after having recently annihilated the Army of South Russia under Denikin. Armed to the teeth and grouped together around four divisions, backed by three air squadrons along with an armored train set aside for each division, the so-called Calvary Army under Budennyi had managed to cross the Zbruch River and position themselves towards Lvov after sweeping aside Polish resistance in the area and taking Pilsudski’s headquarters at Rowno.


With the Western Army Group based in Belorussia unde Tukhachevsky, and the Southwestern Army Group in the Ukraine under Commander-in-Chief Kamenev, the over five million strong Red Army launched a massive counteroffensive. Tukhachevsky pushed forwards, crossing the Berezina and Gaina Rivers before rolling up his opponents’ left-wing and taking back Minsk. Commanding the Sixteenth, Third, Fifteenth, and Fourth Armies along with the Third Calvary Corps under the Armenian Bolshevik Gaia Gai, Tukhachevsky continued his ambitious assault. The Eighth, Tenth, and Fifth divisions belonging to the Fourth Red Army managed to encircle the Poles and take Grodno. At once having driven the Polish forces out of the eastern borderlands completely, Tukhachevsky and his armies crossed the river Bug after meeting a determined Polish counterattack which was effortlessly defeated. The Red Army had now positioned itself a few miles from Warsaw, expecting not only Warsaw but all major European cities to turn red.


Colonel Kamenev had sent his forces northwards towards Brest to support Tukhachevsky, the columns of Budennyi and Egorov moving in the direction of Warsaw, while Gai’s Third Calvary Corps stopped short of its westward advance to close with Tukhachevsky’s right in preparation for the takeover of Warsaw. Backed by the additional Twelfth and Fourteenth Red Armies attached to the Southwestern Army Group, Tukhachevsky overwhelmed the stubborn Polish commanders defending Warsaw through sheer force of numbers and his own tactical genius. Despite the best efforts of the generals Sikorski, Haller, Latinik, Raszewski, and Zielinski, who were put in charge of the defense of the northern Wkra River front and the northeastern Vistula bridgehead, they squared off against Tukhachevsky armed with Napoleonic era artillery at worst and the occasional machine gun or tank at best.


The Sixteenth, Third, and Fifteenth Red Armies entered the battle from the east, strengthening the position of the Mozyr Group which had been tasked with holding a fifty mile front spread out between the Twelfth and Sixteenth Armies. Pilsudski’s counterattack against the Mozyr Group did not succeed, his striking force beat back by Tukhachevsky’s armies. As the Red Army’s heavy artillery was brought to bear against Warsaw, the Polish Army launched one last ditch maneuver in a desperate bid to cut off the Fourth Red Army and Gai’s Third Calvary Corps. In this, they failed. For all intents and purposes, the Polish Army had been resoundingly defeated. Warsaw fell swiftly. A coup occurring not long after Warsaw’s fall allowed the Bolsheviks to bring Lithuania back into the fold as a Soviet Socialist Republic (SSR).

The delegates to the Second Comintern Congress had adjourned prior to the seizure of Warsaw, although the best representatives of the international proletariat nonetheless traveled back to their respective countries no doubt hearing shortly thereafter of White Poland’s capitulation. The anticipated European-wide revolution did not occur immediately, however. Instead, the resulting Peace of Minsk carved up Poland in a shrewd show of realpolitik. The Belorussian and Ukrainian SSRs were significantly enlarged, the Ukrainian SSR having been given control over Lvov and the surrounding territory encompassing the industrial city. Upper Silesia and the Polish Corridor were ceded to Weimar Germany, the triumphant Red Army linking up with the Reichswehr to aid the Germans in their revanchist endeavors. The remaining central-most portion of Poland was reorganized into the Polish SSR under the leadership of the Provisional Polish Revolutionary Committee, which at once set to work redistributing land and nationalizing factories to gain the support of Polish workers and peasants, the capital of the embryonic Polish SSR based in newly-conquered Warsaw. An independent Poland was no more.
 
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Do others have any further comments?

I also just realized that Lithuania's fate was left out from the post, which I've added to the original word document.

IMHO, there being no Miracle on the Vistula, its likely that a coup would topple the present Lithuanian government and turn the country into a Soviet Socialist Republic along with Poland of course.

Otherwise, with papers due and finals on the way, updates won't be for quite awhile. I do plan, however, to finish the TL nonetheless.
 
Will, it looks like Germany have to save the day when they get attack. The UK, Sweden, Denmark, and a few others will help.

Germany isn't going to be attacked by the Red Army - the Red Army having brought IOTL its logistics to the breaking point just by reaching the outskirts of Warsaw. IMHO its highly unlikely that the Red Army can just march into Germany or that they will choose to do so - Lenin, Trotsky, and the Bolsheviks weren't IMHO zealous enough to recklessly send a poorly-supplied, logistically strained, force into Germany so soon after taking Warsaw and gaining a surprisingly huge swath of territory.

The Red Army is more then likely going to be used to solidify the Bolshevik gains, and would no doubt have to deal with Wrangel in some way as IOTL in this AH scenario. (I haven't looked at the date yet, but Wrangel might even be vanquished after Warsaw's fall -I'll have to look into that)

The Red Army in also keeping with their agreements with the Wiemar Republic, will also fan out to German-claimed border territories (i.e. Upper Silesia, the Danzig Corridor, etc.) and aid the Reichswehr heavily. This was all part of a much wider plan worked out between Germany and Soviet Russia, documented quite well in one of the volumes for E.H. Carr's A History of Soviet Russia.

How France and/or Britain react, on the other hand, is a whole different manner and will require some digging.

What happens to Poland west of the Vistula?

Carved up by Germany or reincorporated into the newly-formed Polish Soviet Socialist Republic. East of the Vistula, the Ukrainian and Belorussian SSRs have a field day snatching up territory in the easternmost half of the now defunct Polish state.
 
I've since went through and edited and re-edited section one, which is more or less complete thus far but may be made to be significantly longer in the immediate future.

The newly-edited, updated, and finished portion has been copied-and-pasted over the old one into the first post.

I'm looking forward to your comments! :)
 
I've currently requested, for use over the summer, the books White eagle, red star: The Polish-Soviet War, 1919-20 and Warsaw 1920: Lenin's failed conquest of Europe, both books which should give me more in-depth detail on the war and the battle for Warsaw than the other two fairly limited books I've been using.

Nonetheless, I think the point was to give a brief overview of the military campaign leading up to Warsaw's fall (the initial point-of-divergence) and then go from there.

Comments, advice, and/or constructive criticism would be greatly appreciated.
 
School has been kicking my butt, what with finals and essays due all by next week.

Haven't had a chance to make updates, let alone get access to those particular books from the library.

I'm probably going to start adding more onto the TL once school is completely done.

Wish me luck, and don't forget to comment.:)
 
Just FYI, when I get access to those two other books, I'm planning on making the Battle of Warsaw significantly longer overall - I'll probably make it a separate post.

Otherwise, I'm looking forward to your comments and feedback.
 
Okay I've now managed to read through it all properly with a nice cuppa Tea. :)

I like the setting scene with the Maps and little Red Flags.

I'm pleased you are going to expand the Battle scenes too. Maybe focus on a person's experiences within a battle or at least flesh out the details of how the Battle diverged from OTL?

I'm hoping Budenny becomes less relevant in later actions or gains some better tactics from rubbing shoulders with Tukachevsky or Zhukov.

I remember discussion in one of the threads on here that posited the idea of Stalin sharing a division with Tukachevsky to avoid some of OTL's rivalry and hostility that came from being in different divisions and blaming each other regarding losses during Polish War.

Any ideas on that?

I like how Lithuania is drawn into the fold with this decisive victory and agree that after winning in Poland Consolidation of Gains would be key. Memory of Surrounding Interventions during both the Civil War and Polish War would be very much in the forefront of thought.
Sharing a bordrr with Germany also allows the USSR to gain more Overt and Covert ifluence in Weimar Germany
 
The Soviets would be more popular in Germany for the Additional lands and the lack of a belligerant poland would allow better trade flows and possibly employment improvements at a time when the German economy languished due to Versaille etc.

It would be harder to squash native Communist groups due to increased funding and support from accross the border as well as any overt crackdown potentially endangering the growth received from Soviet Economic ties.

The Hostility towards Germany From much of Europe makes a rather fertile enviroment to cosey up to the Soviets considering everything.

Have you thought on how Austria will be impacted by all of this?
 
Thanks for the thoughtful reply.:)

I'm pleased you are going to expand the Battle scenes too. Maybe focus on a person's experiences within a battle or at least flesh out the details of how the Battle diverged from OTL?
I felt that the Battle of Warsaw in the essay was too short on details and not clear enough about just *how*the Red Army won the battle in the TL.

Part of it was me not having access to a couple, more specific books on the battle.

Otherwise, I'll rewrite and make longer the last section dealing with the Battle of Warsaw, once I get my hands on several crucial books.

I remember discussion in one of the threads on here that posited the idea of Stalin sharing a division with Tukachevsky to avoid some of OTL's rivalry and hostility that came from being in different divisions and blaming each other regarding losses during Polish War.
The original idea, in my abandoned TL bearing the same name, was that Stalin died from a (real-life) bout of appendicitis around the time of Lenin's death.

That being said, I'm probably going to remove Stalin from the power struggle by having him die during the Soviet war with Poland from an earlier bout of appendicitis - This not only only will greatly change the resulting power struggle after Lenin's death, but would also account for Kamenev being able to move most of his troops (i.e. the Southwestern Army Group) to Warsaw to aid the assault on the Polish capital. Thus, it would give a fuller explanation as to why the Southwestern Army Group switched course, Stalin having been part of the reason for why Kamenev wasn't able to enter the Battle of Warsaw in time to make a difference.

Thoughts?

I like how Lithuania is drawn into the fold with this decisive victory
A coup which was a very real threat to Lithuanian's sovereignty and independence - thwarted only by the Red Army's crushing defeat at Warsaw. Assuming that Warsaw falls, however, it is likely that the coup would go ahead and ultimately succeed.

Consolidation of Gains would be key.
Very true, as Lenin (along with Trotsky and many Bolsheviks) had enough common sense to NOT invade Germany when A) they had strong-if not excellent-relations with the Wiemar Republic and B) the Red Army was poorly supplied and had strained its logistics almost to the breaking point just by GETTING to Warsaw - let alone seizing it and then immediately making a mad dash towards Berlin (Up these very real difficulties facing the Red Army by eleven)

Thus, IMHO, the Bolsheviks would instead seek to hold down Poland (with the Red Army, which in real life was loathed as a traditional, invading Russian force bent on subjugating Poland as in Tsarist times), whereat they would form a government under the Polish Bolshevik and Cheka founder Felix Dzerzhinsky - judging by what the Bolsheviks did in the Ukraine to "bourgeois democrats" and nationalists, Poland's alternate fate as a Soviet Socialist Republic wouldn't be pretty (especially not after a forced collectivization drive)

It would be harder to squash native Communist groups due to increased funding and support from accross the border
The concept for the original TL's portrayal of a German Civil War was a successful Hamburg Uprising - A combination of the butterfly effect and a few other changed factors.

I don't know if I'll stick with that, but nonetheless Germany will experience a bloody civil war.
 
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Currently torn between two projects: Beneath the Crimson Banner TL or a Fallout fan fiction entitled the Utah Front.

Either way, both projects will be novella length (around 40-50 pages, possibly more) and will be finished a year apart from each other.
 
Fallout eh?

Can you post a link if that's what you end up working on?

I love Fallout Stories! :)

Here's the one I'm most happy with (as a writer), but nonetheless am revising: https://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=297338

More or less I've been doing research on the military - both on the U.S. and Roman armies - having been woefully ignorant of military affairs at the time of the original story's writing.

That being said, the plot would revolve around a third war between the New California Republic and Caesar's Legion over Utah - It isn't going to be a simple novelization of Fallout: New Vegas but will be set within the fallout universe albeit with its own unique story.

I was deeply inspired by this: https://www.fanfiction.net/s/3654039/1/Tiberium-Wars

Which I'd highly recommend.:)
 
Going on vacation so I won't probably be able to make an update until early June.

That being said, as I more or less only have two weeks before I leave on a family trip, I'm going to obtain the necessary books a month from now.

I'll be sure, then, to make the first section clearer and add on to the Battle of Warsaw.
 
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