WI: Richard the Lionheart had a Legitimate daughter?

Berengaria gives birth to a daughter in 1192 named Eleanor. At the time of her father's death she is seven and betrothed to her cousin Arthur of Brittany. How much of Angevin Empire would she of inherited. She is the clear and legal successor to Aquitaine and Gascony, and maybe the overlordship of Brittany.
John, I'm pretty sure would have still claimed England. Would Eleanor of Aquitaine support her favorite son's daughter or her son John?

Richard the Lionheart was King of England, Duke of Normandy, Duke of Aquitaine, Duke of Gascony, Lord of Cyprus, Count of Anjou, Count of Maine, Count of Nantes, and Overlord of Brittany. Three of those he was sovereign of England, Brittany and Gascony.

His consort was Berengaria of Navarre who would of become Queen of Navarre in 1234 if she would of survived.

Questions would it be possible for Eleanor 2 to survive and eventually her or her descendants create a state between France and Spain the "Kingdom of Aquitaine" that spoke Occitan? Or maybe just an enlarged Kingdom of Navarre that included Gascony? Would it be more likely for Arthur of Brittany to survive in this TL?

The trouble is that this will be coming pretty dang soon after The Anarchy, relatively speaking. England had been definitively turned off the idea of a female monarch.

It might help strengthen Arthur's support amongst the barons though, but only if it's clearly his claim that's being pressed.

jefferypendragon said:

Questions would it be possible for Eleanor 2 to survive and eventually her or her descendants create a state between France and Spain the "Kingdom of Aquitaine" that spoke Occitan? Or maybe just an enlarged Kingdom of Navarre that included Gascony? Would it be more likely for Arthur of Brittany to survive in this TL?

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It's certainly possible. It is more likely the Kings of France will still invade and occupy those lands as vassals to the Crown. If King Philip Augustus was willing to use force to invade King John's lands in France and use the Albigensian Crusade to occupy Toulouse, he'll put extreme pressure on Aquitaine to incorporate it into France.

It's unlikely that Eleanor would be allowed to marry Arthur as it decreases John's claim to England, and would impact on Philip's control over France.
He'd more liekly arrange for her to be married to his son Louis thus bringing back Aquitaine into France (much like her grandmother's marriage) in return for supporting John as King of England and Arthur as Duke of Brittany. Failing that someone like Hugh of La Marche.
John would also likley get Normandy and Anjou but Maine and Touraine are up for debate.

What would be interesting is if Eleanor follows her grandmother and quits Louis for someone else - Theobald of Navarre? Raymond of TOulouse? etc

The Professor said:

It's unlikely that Eleanor would be allowed to marry Arthur as it decreases John's claim to England, and would impact on Philip's control over France.
He'd more liekly arrange for her to be married to his son Louis thus bringing back Aquitaine into France (much like her grandmother's marriage) in return for supporting John as King of England and Arthur as Duke of Brittany. Failing that someone like Hugh of La Marche.
John would also likley get Normandy and Anjou but Maine and Touraine are up for debate.

What would be interesting is if Eleanor follows her grandmother and quits Louis for someone else - Theobald of Navarre? Raymond of TOulouse? etc​

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Theobald wouldn't be of Navarre because he wouldn't succeed to that throne. I kind of like the match with Raymond it would reunite Toulouse with Aquitaine, but he would be her double first cousin. I really don't like the match with France but that is a distinct possibility.

The biggest question would be who would get custody of Eleanor II of Aquitaine?

1)Phillip II The King of France
2)Sancho the Strong King of Navarre her Uncle
3)John Lackland King of England

Philip would probably have the best claim being her liege lord for most of her lands.

Sancho would have an interest her being his heiress presumptive's heiress presumptive, and Berengaria might flee to her brother and her home.

John would try to get her so he could claim all the angevin inheritance.

Any other candidates?

jefferypendragon said:

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Theobald wouldn't be of Navarre because he wouldn't succeed to that throne. I kind of like the match with Raymond it would reunite Toulouse with Aquitaine, but he would be her double first cousin. I really don't like the match with France but that is a distinct possibility.

The biggest question would be who would get custody of Eleanor II of Aquitaine?

1)Phillip II The King of France
2)Sancho the Strong King of Navarre her Uncle
3)John Lackland King of England

Philip would probably have the best claim being her liege lord for most of her lands.

Sancho would have an interest her being his heiress presumptive's heiress presumptive, and Berengaria might flee to her brother and her home.

John would try to get her so he could claim all the angevin inheritance.

Any other candidates?

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Hmmm, I thought Blanca was older than Berengaria. In which case Sancho would probably have Eleanor as his heir so unless Phillip already has custody of her she'll go to Sancho and he'll arrange the marriage.
A betrothal to Prince Louis is looking more likely now and an early union of Navarre and France.