WI-Hitler attacked Japan in hypothetical Axis victory.

What if the Axis powers won WW2 (details of how that would happen are irrelevant to this topic), do you think Hitler would turn against Japan and invade their territories like he did with the Soviets? If so, what do you think would happen?

I think he would (at first) only want to invade certain small areas of their territory, but then that would escalate to a full scale war-the outcome of which could go either way. It could even lead to Japan invading parts of Europe.

This requires at least a 10 year lay over after the end of WW2. Hitler did not have the resources to conquer past Moscow, let alone the Urals, let alone Siberia, etc.

So, what you would need for the Germans to get that far is for them to have had politically subjugated the SIberian successor state to the USSR with a puppet government that would allow them access. Then, the Germans could attack through Manchuria.

The German navy will never be able to take on the ROyal or US navies, so it would be a Germanic Mongol-like empire that would stretch across the Eurasian continent. However, just how far Hitler can stretch 70 million people in this situation would be mind boggling.

Hence, this literally is ASB, but I think the answer to your question revolves around politics in the successor USSR state.

I agree. No plausible axis victory would actually have them control all of Russia/China and (hence) be toe-to-toe. The most likely axis win would require:

For Germany:
- Gain/retain dominance in the Med
- Take Egypt
- Defeat Russia and seize Moscow, Leningrad, and the Caucuses.
This drives the Russians from the war and forces the UK to accept peace.

For Japan:
- Doesn't try to conquer all of China. Controls the cost without pissing off the Chinese too much (i.e. no Nanking). So, then the Communists and Nationalists fight it out without Japan tying down so many troops.
- Wins at Coral Sea and Midway, making it a much tougher climb to build up for another big fight.
- With UK out, the US agrees to peace with some Japanese contentions.

So, Germany and Japan would still have remnants of China and/or Russia between them and still have the UK and US to worry about before thinking about fighting each other. Perhaps, Germany presses through the Middle East and Germany/Japan both attack India. They could eventually come into conflict there I guess.

pattersonautobody said:

This requires at least a 10 year lay over after the end of WW2. Hitler did not have the resources to conquer past Moscow, let alone the Urals, let alone Siberia, etc.

So, what you would need for the Germans to get that far is for them to have had politically subjugated the SIberian successor state to the USSR with a puppet government that would allow them access. Then, the Germans could attack through Manchuria.

The German navy will never be able to take on the ROyal or US navies, so it would be a Germanic Mongol-like empire that would stretch across the Eurasian continent. However, just how far Hitler can stretch 70 million people in this situation would be mind boggling.

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presume Germany could switch back to supporting China and/or the surviving regime in Siberia

Does anyone know how effective the German programs to enlarge population growth were (Mutterkreuz, etc.)?

I mean you would have to have a ton of people to colonize all of eastern Europe.

De von Of said:

Does anyone know how effective the German programs to enlarge population growth were (Mutterkreuz, etc.)?

I mean you would have to have a ton of people to colonize all of eastern Europe.

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AIUI they planned to do the Spartan thing. Aryans as Spartiates, other Germanics as Perioikoi and Slavs as Helots. Excess Helots brutally put down.

Assuming the Axis won- that Hitler conquers the Soviet Union and maybe leave the Soviets some type of rump state East of the Urals, Europe falls under his sway and the Luftwaffe and the UBoats quickly bring Britain to her knees- the next target would definitely be Japan.

How soon can Hitler have a Navy to crush the Japanese? Pretty quick. He would have his Navy- small as it was and the Italian along with the remenants of the British, French and Soviets at his disposal. More importantly, he would control all the European shipyards. Building a huge fleet wouldn't take long at all- especially as many cargo ships could be converted

Japan could strike first and try to get to India but the Germans would have a passable, though horrible, land route through Turkey and Persia. In any event, the Japanese are likely to be so brutal in any occupation, that the Germans are quite welcome when they come knocking on the door

Really don't see it as a problem at all other than logistical issues which might make it take a couple of years.

There's no way that Japan could beat Germany economically and with the continent under his boot, Hitler isn't going to take long at all

Try the game

http://www.boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/7625/tomorrow-world

There's a file of the history there

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Yeah no. No way would the US agree to anything other then a Japanese surrender. If the US was forced to fight Japan alone only one of three endings happen. Either the Japanese mainland is invaded(worst option), the country is starved out of the war via a blockade(second worst option) or Japan gets a can of insta-sun.(least worst of 3 choices that'll lead to high causalities no matter which one is chosen.)