The Cincinnatus of the West

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Where may the wearied eye repose
When gazing on the Great;
Where neither guilty glory glows,
Nor despicable state?
Yes --one--the first--the last--the best--
The Cincinnatus of the West,
Whom envy dared not hate,
Bequeath'd the name of Washington,
To make man blush there was but one!
-Lord Byron


Options at York

With the signing of the Treaty of The Hague and the final evacuation of British forces and those loyalists not swayed by the Newburgh Declaration the Colombian War of Independence --- though not the world world spanning clash of empires it had spawned --- was officially over in the early fall of 1780. Having taken possession of New York the majority of the Continental Army --- all of the State Line Units --- were discharged, and its weary commander, once more finding himself loaded into a small carriage due to yet another outburst of Gout, departed to see the Confederation Congress in York.

Historians have long argued about what other options there were as the Hero of Harlem, Princeton, Englishtown, and Tarrytown came to issue his report on the War’s end, not to mention his five hundred strong Lifeguards. President of the Congress Richard Henry Lee seemed keen on supporting his Friend and Ally, and based on the historic vote as well as various letters its clear at least most of the Congress was willing to go along with placing further laurels on the man who had saved the revolution throughout the dark days of 1776 and 1777. Had the General been a different man, perhaps he might have turned the post down but the options were few, and by 1780 mostly gone.

Its hard to imagine what men killed years before the event would or would not have done, but that has stopped no small legion of writers on the subject to conjure more Cincinnatian figures. John Hancock the first Commander-in-Chief of the Continental Army is often suggested, either in the context of him surviving the rout at Kip’s Bay and remaining in command or never receiving his commission in the first place. His poor performance at the Battle of Brooklyn and in trying to defend Manhattan though does not bode well for his chances of lasting in Command though the entire war, nor for that matter in his ability to keep the war going. A political course would have been more productive but only with a different Army Command in place, his sucsessor standing out to many historians as the most likely alternative. Nor does his remaining in Philadelphia solve the coming crisis of government under the Confederation, his letters and speeches indicating a clear support for just such a government to be established.

George Washington, who for regional reasons was the first commissioned Major General of the Patriots is another option, his brilliant defense of Charleston in 1776 seeing a barely completed fort hold off an entire Crown Fleet, and beating back attacks from the landward side at Sullivan’s Island speaks volumes, as well as the organization and dispatch of the invasion and conquest of British East Florida. That the later occurred while he slowly died of wounds from the former, shows a commitment rarely seen by the Professionals who would follow him. That said, there is no guarantee he would have chosen a different course had it been he who assumed the overall command. While more militarily proficient than Hancock, there’s also his French and Indian War experiences in the Ohio Valley that make one question if he could have handled the complex negotiations that served to achieve Patriot Aims and contain British Forces to garrison that allowed the Continental Army to grow stronger in the second half of the Revolution.

Contrary to the thoughts of varied novelists and cocktail historians neither Horatio Gates nor Thomas Conway had the popular appeal to assume high leadership, even after each man’s great Victory at Stillwater or the Second Defense of Charleston, though they did have the support within the Army and in Congress. Neither man held serious doubts or divisions in regards to serving under their Patron, while some historians and authors have dreamed of seeing the Continental Army’s Triumvirate be shattered, neither man could easily be swayed away from their professional and personal friendships. It should also be noted that Conway’s late arrival to the revolution, only after the war had begun and at the prompting of his French patrons was another means of preventing his rise, while Gates on the other hand shows a lack of military skill though the rest of the war that damningly contrasts against his victories in New York.

The final major possibility of the war would be Major General Benedict Arnold. Perhaps the only major opponent of his Commanding General After the bloody Hangman's Year. Arnold’s chances at assuming command were delayed by a necessary rise in the ranks, years spent on the Northern front in Canada and New York, recovery from his wounds gained in Quebec. When he finally came south following his part in the Victory at Stillwater he was hurt by his poor relations with Horatio Gates, and then a rapidly developed tendency to partake in the shadowy conspiratorial politics of Army and Congressional Gadflies and Gloryhounds. His problems of temper certainly rivaled his commander’s, which would lead inevitably to his loss of Command at the Battle of Englishtown followed rapidly by his calls for an inquiry, a court martial, a duel with his commander, and his death. Arnold perhaps is an over discussed option but no man in the second half of the Revolution had more of a chance of assuming command of the Army then he. The great problem with discussions for using him as an alternate is that there is nothing to truly suggest he would have done anything differently had the Continental Army been his.

Discussion of What-Ifs aside, by the time the Commander-in-Chief and his Guard arrived in York, the Congress, the Army and Militia, and a large part of the general population was ready and hopeful about what came next. The General addressed the body and offered them back both the commission he had received in 1775, appointing him third Major General of the Continental Army and the letter he had received “On an unremarkable trail after crossing the North River” appointing him Commander-in-Chief after he had stemmed the flight of the Army, won the holding action on the Harlem Heights and saved the cause from defeat after the loss of New York in 1776. When he suggested returning to his Virginia homestead and entrusting his “small force and scattered garrisons” to the Committee of War with whom he had “The utmost confidence to be able to contain any perfidious schemes of our former associates” he was met by a silence broken only by Lee who offered instead a fateful, and most definitely pre-scripted alternative.

And so it was that Charles Lee, one-time British regular Lieutenant Colonel, General Officer in the armies of Portugal, Poland and Russia, critic of King George and Lord North, supporter of the Patriot cause in Peace and War, and grandson of a Tory MP would assume a vague title of “First Citizen” which would lead him and the young Republic inexorably to High Offices yet to be created and a new constitution yet to be written.

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As always, thoughts, comments, and especially criticisms are welcome.
 
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An alternate Revolutionary War TL, this looks interesting. I especially like how you're not going for the obvious choice (Washington) as the American Cincinnatus. Subscribed. :)
 

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An alternate Revolutionary War TL, this looks interesting. I especially like how you're not going for the obvious choice (Washington) as the American Cincinnatus. Subscribed. :)

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Yes --one--the first--the last--the best--

--- though not the world world spanning clash of empires it had spawned ---

the majority of the Continental Army --- all of the State Line Units --- were discharged

Historians have long argued about what other options there were as the Hero of Harlem, Princeton, Englishtown, and Tarrytown came to issue his report on the War’s end, not to mention his five hundred strong Lifeguards.

Neither Horatio Gates nor Thomas Conway [...]Neither man held serious doubts or divisions in regards to serving under their Patron,

followed rapidly by his calls for an inquiry, a court martial, a duel with his commander, and his death.

he was met by a silence broken only by Lee who offered instead a fateful, and most definitely pre-scripted alternative.

would assume a vague title of “First Citizen”

Seriously?
 
What? I apologize if I missed something or misunderstood. If I understand correctly, this is an alternate ARW, but is a theater of a larger war, isn't it?
I think he is calling Washington the Cincinnatus, and that he is implying that Lee will be rather different...
 

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What? I apologize if I missed something or misunderstood. If I understand correctly, this is an alternate ARW, but is a theater of a larger war, isn't it?

That was an alternate American Revolutionary War. The War *was* a portion of a larger war. Britain, France, Spain and the Dutch fought everywhere else on the planet and the war dragged on after IOTL's victory at Yorktown for a Reason. And why the British abandoned Philadelphia, changed from a Take it all back to limit losses strategy after 1778, etc.

And Emperor Julian was correct. Washington is the "Cincinnatus of the West" as Byron called him IOTL. He's not around in this one. To spoil the next update he's going to work to put on the trappings of one, but he's not. At all. It was an attempt at being Ironic. I thought people might notice all the stuff I brought up ranging from the fact that Lee's command is basically the Conway Cabal triumphant to the fact the US made a separate peace to mean things aren't going to go as well as per IOTL.
 
Interesting group of behind-the-scenes leaders. Gates, Arnold, and Conway having power via a figurehead doesn't bode well. Do the different developments in the late 1770s mean that James Wilkinson still is associated with Gates ITTL? if Wilkinson is let anywhere near power I fear for the Union.

Also curious to see what kind of separate peace is achieved - IIRC there were proposals in the early 1780s that ranged from peace uti possidetis to independence for just the 13 colonies and nothing beyond the Appalachian mountains. Will be interesting to see future developments.

(Also, side note - whatever happened to President Henry C. Evans or the Reform Labor Party TLs? Should I give up hope for their return?)
 

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Interesting group of behind-the-scenes leaders. Gates, Arnold, and Conway having power via a figurehead doesn't bode well. Do the different developments in the late 1770s mean that James Wilkinson still is associated with Gates ITTL? if Wilkinson is let anywhere near power I fear for the Union.

Arnold is dead. And I don't know where the idea that Conway and Gates are controlling Lee behind the scenes comes from. Lee is certainly not a figurehead. And as for James Wilkinson, yes he will make an appearance.

Also curious to see what kind of separate peace is achieved - IIRC there were proposals in the early 1780s that ranged from peace uti possidetis to independence for just the 13 colonies and nothing beyond the Appalachian mountains. Will be interesting to see future developments.

Well the key to it was ditching France and Spain. I'll cover more in the next updates.

(Also, side note - whatever happened to President Henry C. Evans or the Reform Labor Party TLs? Should I give up hope for their return?)

Evans kind of got away from me, while the Labor Party thing is sort of on hiatus until I finish a few more books on subjects I want a better understanding of before I kick it off again.

EDIT: I've got a few updates together for this thing already. The first one needs a bit of polishing so I'll try to have it up tomorrow night. I can't guarantee regularity these days thanks to my job, but I'd love to be done as soon as possible, I just can't promise anything. Except a list of sources.
 
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Arnold is dead. And I don't know where the idea that Conway and Gates are controlling Lee behind the scenes comes from. Lee is certainly not a figurehead. And as for James Wilkinson, yes he will make an appearance.



Well the key to it was ditching France and Spain. I'll cover more in the next updates.



Evans kind of got away from me, while the Labor Party thing is sort of on hiatus until I finish a few more books on subjects I want a better understanding of before I kick it off again.

EDIT: I've got a few updates together for this thing already. The first one needs a bit of polishing so I'll try to have it up tomorrow night. I can't guarantee regularity these days thanks to my job, but I'd love to be done as soon as possible, I just can't promise anything. Except a list of sources.
Somehow missed the fact that Arnold died in a duel. My bad. :eek: And I thought you were hinting at Lee being a figurehead, plus from what little I know about Gates he seems like the kind of person who would want to rule himself, but failing that, would want someone ahead of him to take the fall. Sorry for confusion and looking forward to future updates.
 

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Lee, First Citizen

First Citizen Lee would hold that title for two years, during which he also held the more overtly powerful role of Commander-in-Chief of the Continental, and later Confederational Army. While the role of First Citizen was never formally empowered with prerogatives and duties, the Congress formally agreed that Lee both as First Citizen and as Lieutenant General was entitled to sit in, address, and write to the assemblage and its various committees so as to provide insight and counsel on issues of defense, international relations and any or all fields he might have an opinion on. Lee rarely spoke officially at the time, usually adding his voice to the public debate only to offer quiet support for those policies he approved of, and vicious denunciations of those he viewed as threatening what he had fought and his men had died for. His Lifeguard, under the command of Brigadier William Crawford was often at hand for such debates, a reminder that Lee had rarely been proven wrong in the war, had shielded the Congress from disasters like the Beacon Mutiny that had threatened to march on Congress for pay, and of course, that his opinion carried a good deal of weight.

So it was that by 1782, when Lee rose at an meeting of the Committee on Rules and suggested that what the nation needed was a reorganization of government to deal with crisis ranging from the Groton Revolt of the previous year to the continued British occupation of the Florida Keys, he was heeded. Opposition to the move was vocal to say the least. Thomas Jefferson, declared that Lee’s speech was a “Decisive move towards tyranny” and departed for a Europe that had finally come to peace a matter of months before to enjoy a self-exile in the salons of Paris. Benjamin Franklin agreed to serve as a Pennsylvania delegate to the new convention but openly admitted he was approaching the affair with a weary eye. Governor John Adams of Massachusetts tried and failed to prevent his cousin, a key ally of Lee from being appointed to the delegation. Once the meeting began John Dickinson, James Madison, and George Mason would all find themselves standing behind Franklin, members of what would roughly be referred to by historians as the “Anti-Federalists” though no man could agree with the other about a united counter-plan to what was promoted by Horatio Gates, C. C. Pinckney, Robert Morris, and Timothy Pickering and eventually ratified.

The new Constitution which would be ratified by seven of the states within 18 months, the final effective ratification happening another 15 months later with New York, after the entry of the first determinist state with Franklin. By then Lee had already been elected unopposed as the first official Governor-General of the United States, a post he had held provisionally since the acceptance of the new Constitution by the Confederation Congress.

A brief overview of the Constitution of 1783 makes clear that the document was in broad strokes planned by its main benefactor and chairmen. The nitty-gritty work of the document was laid out by dozens of committees, the plans of a young Alexander Hamilton of New Jersey, and many overdone analogies to the Glorious Revolution, the Roman Republic, as well as Athens and Sparta. To shortly overview the document the Congress was divided into two separate houses, the House of Delegates where each state received its share of the delegation based on population, though states with a population in the bottom third as determined by a Census would be awarded an extra delegate, and representatives were elected for three year terms. The upper house, the Senate would have two Senators elected for each state, one chosen by the State Legislature, one by the House of Delegates. The Governor-General in turn was allowed to nominate up to one quarter of the Senate to be filled by Life Senators, who would have to be ratified by both houses. The House would have the ability to delay legislation passed by the senate, propose new legislation, and approve the budget. The Senate would have final say in the passage or defeat of all bills, and the ratification of treaties. In joint secessions, both houses would approve appointments, elect the Governor-General and serve as the High Court of Appeals and Impeachments. The election of the Governor-General would occur every five years, starting in 1784.

The powers of the Governor-General were broad, he held a power of a line-item veto, the exclusive power to nominate members of his cabinet, who would run the Federal departments and agencies as well as serve as a collective head of state in the event of his death or removal, as well as Judges and Ambassadors. The Governor-General would also hold supreme command of the Armed Forces, including a power to Federalize state militias, as well as direct executive authority over all territories to be relinquished by the states to Federal authority. He would also sit in the Senate, voting to break any ties, and guaranteeing the enforcement of the rules in the house.

Even before the document had completed its rounds, Charles Lee was secure in his office, elected unopposed by the final Congress of the Confederation, and with that result re-ratified by the first Congress of the United States would hold it though reelection to his death.



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I know it took a while, and this is brief, but I figured it was worth covering the system that things will be operating under. The Senators for Life discussion was something that never really got too much time in the Constitutional Convention IOTL, most other things in the system come from the Pinckney or Hamilton Plans.
 

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Huh. Seems like a strange hybrid between the OTL American system and the Roman one.

Rome was a very big inspiration for the founders IOTL.

Hamilton IOTL's plan called for a "Governor" to be elected for life, the debasement of the States and a system where Electors chosen by the people selected the Governor and Senators while the people would elect their Representatives.

Pinckney on the other hand wanted the people to elect a Congressmen (Something like one per every 10,000 people IIRC) who would in turn elect Senators representing not states but "Regions" and whom together would elect the President.

Pretty much this is a system that is really, really based on the two of these. Hamilton's Unitary ideals being dropped as well as the Lifetime term, Pinckney losing his regional ideas and his mass representation.

That and some ideas that were floated about but not picked up IOTL are the core of the document here.
 
Sorry if I get this wrong, but Hancock was the first Commander of the Continental Army, followed by Lee since Washington died in a more successful southern theater? This in turn allowed the US to negotiate a separate peace while the global war it spawned went on without it? Thus we arrive at an alternate formation of the US government, with different proposals surviving and different compromises made?

Assuming I'm not wrong, this sounds like awesome sauce.
 

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Sorry if I get this wrong, but Hancock was the first Commander of the Continental Army, followed by Lee since Washington died in a more successful southern theater? This in turn allowed the US to negotiate a separate peace while the global war it spawned went on without it? Thus we arrive at an alternate formation of the US government, with different proposals surviving and different compromises made?

Assuming I'm not wrong, this sounds like awesome sauce.

This is exactly what went down yes. IOTL Hancock is the only person to have made a real play to command the Continental Army. I have my doubts that the smuggler would do well so he gets himself in a good deal of trouble in the inevitable New York campaign. IOTL there was a good fear that if the Congress didn't appoint a Southerner C-in-C the South wouldn't join New Englands war though, which is why Washington got it. Here Washington just gets to be the number 2 general in compinsation, and Lee (Who is of no relation to the more famous Lee's of the same state) who had just come over from Britain and bought land in Virginia becomes number 3. (Incidentally a side note, here he resigns his British commission first). Washington takes Lee's IOTL place at Charleston, and does better but also worse. Lee winds up just being with Hancock along with men like Sullivan and Lord Stirling, and thus he gets himself on the path to glory.

The Peace and whatnot will come up in more detail in further updates. Sorry I left things vague so far.
 
This is exactly what went down yes. IOTL Hancock is the only person to have made a real play to command the Continental Army. I have my doubts that the smuggler would do well so he gets himself in a good deal of trouble in the inevitable New York campaign. IOTL there was a good fear that if the Congress didn't appoint a Southerner C-in-C the South wouldn't join New Englands war though, which is why Washington got it. Here Washington just gets to be the number 2 general in compinsation, and Lee (Who is of no relation to the more famous Lee's of the same state) who had just come over from Britain and bought land in Virginia becomes number 3. (Incidentally a side note, here he resigns his British commission first). Washington takes Lee's IOTL place at Charleston, and does better but also worse. Lee winds up just being with Hancock along with men like Sullivan and Lord Stirling, and thus he gets himself on the path to glory.

It's nice PoD, which I've never seen used before. I knew Hancock wanted command, but Washington showed up for all those Continental Congress meetings in his military get-up; his not so subtle "uh-em, I'm a soldier.":p So good job on that.:D

The Peace and whatnot will come up in more detail in further updates. Sorry I left things vague so far.

It wasn't too vague. The sequence of events and the PoD was what I first guessed, but the commentary threw me off.
 
I was just thinking about this TL, and then decided to see if it had been updated since the first post, and was pleased to see it had. Very interesting. I note that the President's powers are still limited, to an extent. I wonder if they will remain so, or if Lee will be able to use unconstitutional means to increase his control.
 

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I was just thinking about this TL, and then decided to see if it had been updated since the first post, and was pleased to see it had. Very interesting. I note that the President's powers are still limited, to an extent. I wonder if they will remain so, or if Lee will be able to use unconstitutional means to increase his control.

Washington's Powers were pretty limited on taking office too. I'd argue that it was his (And Adams', and the Congress' and the Cabinet's) behavior in his office in that first term that played a key roll on expanding and limiting the various powers of the Executive and Legislature. Part of me had wanted to go with the same Constitution for Lee but with his different favoritisms I realized that wouldn't particularly be possible. So I tweaked it. The administration of Lee will tell though just how much control he and his successors will gain.

That is to say, this isn't dead. I've just been very busy lately and I've had another timeline shaking around in my head in the past few days and was sort of struck today with the how's of it and am rushing forward on that. This, I will have to get back to. The other one is a good deal shorter in scope though, starting in 1997 so it won't take too long. I hope.
 
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