AHC/PC/WI: Franco-Soviet DoW against Germany, British neutrality in 1938

thaddeus

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what does the USSR actually DO in this scenario?

once they start moving troops my thinking it has poor reception, possibly driving Poland into closer relations with Germany?
 
Well if the Poles try to grab that slice of Czechoslovakia like they did historically, there is the possibility that Stalin might overreact and launch the Red Army at them.

Thing is, the French are not going to do a thing without being damn sure the British are on their side. They don't exactly trust the Soviets and also don't really take them seriously as a power.
 
what does the USSR actually DO in this scenario?

once they start moving troops my thinking it has poor reception, possibly driving Poland into closer relations with Germany?

The Soviet main plan was to pour men and material through Romania by rail. Romania agreed to let them do this, being a Czechoslovak and French ally. Most Munich war TLs have them agreeing only to the Soviets using *one* rail line and moving troops and weapons separately for security reasons, so I suppose that was also the case historically.

I don't know if they also intended to fly over either Romania or Poland (which won't be liked for sure) or to use the Baltic fleet against Germany.

ObssesedNuker said:
Thing is, the French are not going to do a thing without being damn sure the British are on their side. They don't exactly trust the Soviets and also don't really take them seriously as a power.

The Franco-Soviet Alliance was pushed originally by Louis Barthou, just before he was assassinated in 1934. His successor Pierre Laval (of Vichy France fame!) was far less enthusiastic and the reason the treaty of alliance was so neutered in the end as to be meaningless.

But WI Barthou lives? He wasn't the intended victim of the assassination attempt - that was the visiting King of Yugoslavia - and merely catched a stray bullet.
 

thaddeus

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what does the USSR actually DO in this scenario?

once they start moving troops my thinking it has poor reception, possibly driving Poland into closer relations with Germany?

The USSR doesn't have a land border and Poland won't give mlitary access.

OK, which means they have to transit through or fly over Poland or Romania. neither of which Poland would like/or allow.

AND would place Soviet forces (even if just aircraft) on two sides.

hence my thought they would quickly accommodate Germany (basically a larger, somewhat more independent Slovak Republic.)

not an expert on Soviet forces 1938 but whatever shortcomings they had would certainly be evident trying to venture across two countries?

could imagine they get beat back quickly by Germany-Hungary-Poland Axis?

the interesting part would be what happens with France as they've ventured into a war without (probably) taking any action?
 
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