PC: Henry Clay nominated as Vice-President under Harrison in 1840?

What do you think of this scenario?

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Strange question, I know. Reading Henry Clay and the Art of American Politics, pg. 142, mentions John Tyler was chosen as the Vice-Presidential candidate for the Whigs for the reason of appeasing Clay, a friend of Tyler, and of balancing the ticket (unstated but obvious enough). Would it be plausible for the Whigs to try and united the two wings more directly, via a Harrison/Clay ticket?

Here is my reasoning. "When he [Clay] assumed the office in 1811 the Speaker was little more then a presiding officer." As was the Senate President at the time. "But Clay made the position one of party leadership and by his precedents his leadership strengthened the office. Six times he was elected Speaker and never once was his election seriously contested"

Regardless of your thoughts on Gallant Henry, and of his various moral and rhetorical failings, he was a smart and shrewd man. He must have recognized that his powers lied outside of patronage and were directly linked to him. Whether President or Senator or retired farm man, he had a following of men no matter what office he held or where from he spoke his famous speeches. Clay could just the same try and hold the position of Whig "Dictator" in the office of Senate President and as he could as "merely" a Senator. And if the office was too weak for his tastes, the inability to vote or speak, then by God could he not exert his will and his interpretation of the rules in his own matter?

There is also the issue of whether the Harrison men would trust the Star of the West on a ticket for the above reasons, as well as the issue of putting two western candidate together (Harrison had been an Ohio man for man years at this point, and Tyler was unquestionably a friend of the South. As Virginia's Senator, he was the only man to vote against the Force Bill in Jackson's time). Could this ticket, of personality driven man on top and an intellectually anti-demagogue on the bottom work out? Could the forces that prevented Clay's nomination (The abolitionists, the Anti-Masons's, and the anti-bank men) go far enough in Van Buren's camp to give the unpopular Democrat a second term?

Thoughts?
 
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From my reading, I get the impression that Clay resented Harrison getting the nomination. They didn't really like each other much, but they got along better than Clay did win John Q. Adams.

I think it's unlikely, not only because they were both considered to be from the West, but because their personalities just didn't gel.
 
From my reading, I get the impression that Clay resented Harrison getting the nomination. They didn't really like each other much, but they got along better than Clay did win John Q. Adams.

I think it's unlikely, not only because they were both considered to be from the West, but because their personalities just didn't gel.

Clay was indeed a little emotional at hearing his loss, I will concede that.

"In the fall of 1839 Clay heard the news that intriguers in the Whigs convention at Harrisburg had defeated his nomination... [he exclaimed] 'My friends are not worth the powder and shot it would take to kill them!' His companions heard him utter the most horrid imprecations, and then, turning to us, approached rapidly, and stopping before us, with violent gestures and loud voice said "If there were two Henry Clays, one of them would make the other President of the United States!" "
-Pg. 156
 
I think it's far more likely that Harrison is able to convince Daniel Webster to suck it up and be VP than Henry Clay. Clay seemed to have gotten it into his head that as the leader of the party he could push around this light weight when he gotten into office, but Harrison refused to comply. And then he died, only for Tyler to prove to be worse.
 
They would win. Van Buren was unpopular. President Clay signs the bank and the tariff bill gets the nomination in 1844 and loses to Polk.
 
They would win. Van Buren was unpopular. President Clay signs the bank and the tariff bill gets the nomination in 1844 and loses to Polk.

Would Clay even run in this scenario? I mean Clay was pretty adamant to Tyler that he was acting President and not the real one, what's to say Clay wouldn't have stepped down in 1844? Given that, there would probably be very diffrent nominee's in 1844.
 
Indeed. A Harrison or Clay administration wouldn't pursue a treaty to annex Texas, so expansion isn't quite the issue in 1844 as it was in OTL. Therefore, Polk is an unlikely candidate. I'm thinking it would be Van Buren again, or Lewis Cass, perhaps.

Henry Clay would certainly act as President if he succeeded William Henry Harrison. I'm not sure if he would have sought a term of his own in 1844. He was the kind of guy that wanted to be President and wanted to do it by winning an election and vindicating his ideas. Depending on his relationship with Daniel Webster iTTL, he could pass the torch if he wanted to keep to the Whig standard of one-term only.

Then again, Harrison's death wasn't a sure thing in March 1841. He could have lived out his term and Clay would have been heir apparent.
 
I always got the feeling that Clay and Webster, despite fairly similar ideologies, grappled with each other over leadership of the Whig Party. Either Clay as President would mean Webster would submit to him for the time being, or this would cause an even further rift if Clay ascended in 1841.
 
So far it seems the majority consensus is, yes the ticket could, but it probably wouldn't have happened. If it did happen, I'm curious if it would help or hurt the Whig's in the popular and electoral vote.
 
Henry Clay's home state of Kentucky voted for whigs and as this quote from Wiki says:

Clay led on the first ballot, but circumstances conspired to deny him the nomination. First of all, the convention came on the heels of a string of Whig electoral losses. Harrison managed to distance himself from the losses, but Clay, as the party's philosophical leader, could not. Had the convention been held in the spring, when the economic downturn led to a string of Whig victories, Clay would have had much greater support. Secondly, the convention rules had been drawn up so that whoever won the majority of delegates from a given state would win all the votes from that state. This worked against Clay, who had solid majority support in almost all of the Southern delegations (with little potential for opponents to capitalize on a proportional distribution of delegates), and a large minority support in Northern delegations . In addition, several Southern states whose Whig chapters supported Clay abstained from sending delegates to the convention. As a result, the nomination went to Harrison.

So although it is unlikely for Harrison to pick his rival-college, if he did happen to pick him he would still win.
 
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