Alternate/surviving states, kingdoms and empires

Delvestius

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So I thought I'd make a thread to be a general discussion on alternate political entities, since I prefer discussion to reading/making timelines. List your favorites, post ones that you came up with or ask questions to get discussions going :)

Some people are Byzantophiles, some people prefer the Ottomans... I'm all about the Zoroastrian wank. In a world without Islam I could imagine a middle east dominated by Zoroastrian Persia stretching from Anatolia to Punjab. Their biggest rival would no doubt be Coptic Egypt.

From the same no-Islam timeline I started there was a wanked Visigothic Spain that eventually shares a monarch with France, who is given the title Holy Roman Emperor some year in the eleventh century. Seeing as that Italy was a battleground between France and Spain during OTL Renaissance with Spain still managing to get the lower half of the peninsula after all the war, a combined force could take the region easily. The pope was an ally in the endeavor, and officially established the political structure of the Holy Roman Empire.

Shout-outs to Norse Jorvik, Aztlan Pueblo states, Mongol-Occupied Japan and Sikh Khalistan.
 
DanMcCollum

DanMcCollum

I always thought an interesting ATL would be is a Slavic group managed to spread into the power vacuum of a Byzantine collapse instead of the Turks, and you saw, say, Serbian Empire controling the Balkans and Anatolia from Constantinople ::)
 

Delvestius

Banned
DanMcCollum said:
I always thought an interesting ATL would be is a Slavic group managed to spread into the power vacuum of a Byzantine collapse instead of the Turks, and you saw, say, Serbian Empire controling the Balkans and Anatolia from Constantinople ::)
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Word. What if that entity was powerful enough to control and settle Carpathia, fending off any Magyar incursion who end up settling in Ukraine and eventually taking over all of Russia, with Altaic groups and native Sibirs controlling Siberia.
 
Green Painting

Green Painting

Greece and Asia Minor unified by the Macedonians, creating a Mediterranean Romance of the Three Kingdoms with the Carthaginians and Romans.

Surviving Kingdom of Italy, featuring Neutral Italy in WWII, Italo Balbo, Enrico Mattei, etc.

People's Democratic Republic of Hong Kong...

Empire of Vietnam, Empire of Ryukyu, Empire of Korea, Empire of China and Empire of Japan existing in the same universe.

Communist Greece
 
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ramones1986

ramones1986

I wanna see a TL where a sect of Islam where translating Quran became popular outside Arabian Peninsula and its effects on both and linguistic history of both Middle East and North Africa.

A TL featuring an Ebionite Arabia and its possible role in the politics of the era could be also interesting as ATL's Middle East and North Africa will be more different from OTL; that could be interesting,too!
 
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Delvestius

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ramones1986 said:
I wanna see a TL where a sect of Islam where translating Quran became popular outside Arabian Peninsula and its effects on both and linguistic history of both Middle East and North Africa.
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I started a TL in which there was an Aramaic Quran, made possible by the assassination of the general who was sent to stop such activities, as well as the Caliph he answered to in the eighth century A.D. The Arabs remained dominant in the region but the Aramaic sect and ethnicity survived. The only implication I got to in the re-write (the current version is horrendous) is a Zoroastrian Persia wank :eek::D
 
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MrL567

successful Timurid invasion of Ming China. While succession would collapse the thing, Timurid China would be amazing. From Baghdad to Beijing the empire would stretch.
 

KingofBactria

I've always been a fan of the Greco-Bactrian's and Indo-Greeks. So I suppose a timeline in which either of the two survived the steppe invasions, grow in size and power comparable to the OTL Kushan Empire at it Height, last until the 9th century and still remain uniquely Hellenic in culture would be neat, highly unlikely, but neat, (9th century Greco-Bactrian Cataphracts, *drool*)
 
ramones1986

ramones1986

Delvestius said:
I started a TL in which there was an Aramaic Quran, made possible by the assassination of the general who was sent to stop such activities, as well as the Caliph he answered to in the eighth century A.D. The Arabs remained dominant in the region but the Aramaic sect and ethnicity survived. The only implication I got to in the re-write (the current version is horrendous) is a Zoroastrian Persia wank :eek::D
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How about rebooting it?
 
Al-numbers

Al-numbers

I always wondered how would Southeast Asia would've looked like if the Hindu-Buddhist empires of Malaya, Sumatra and Java survived. How would they develop? How would they view each other as the world moves on? How would their societies be structured? How would they cope with the modernization of OTL?

Though that being said, I would like to see that WITHOUT having the Majapahit Empire becoming the top hagemons of the region. No space-filling empires, thank you.

In a more recent bent: I've been wondering what would it be like for Austria-Hungary to...just stay neutral, not joining in on the giant alliances that made up 19th-century Europe. A-H may be a machine that needs fixing, but it wasn't exactly broken, and I'm getting a bit tired of seeing TL's wherein Vienna either wins big or lose big. How about something different for a change?

Also, I really wondered what would it be like for Austria-Hungary (no, not the Austrian Empire) to be interested in the Orient and the Far East, especially in the Southeast Asian region. There were soooo many POD's in which that could've happened, and I think the cultural exchange alone would be enough to warrant making a TL.
 
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Just a Rube

I've always had a soft spot for the Latin Empire and its various successor states (if only to spite the Byzantophiles).

Of course, the Catalan Company successfully establishing a Catalan state in Greece and holding out would also be fun (although again, probably not for the inhabitants).
 

Delvestius

Banned
KingofBactria said:
I've always been a fan of the Greco-Bactrian's and Indo-Greeks. So I suppose a timeline in which either of the two survived the steppe invasions, grow in size and power comparable to the OTL Kushan Empire at it Height, last until the 9th century and still remain uniquely Hellenic in culture would be neat, highly unlikely, but neat, (9th century Greco-Bactrian Cataphracts, *drool*)
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Afghanistan is such a fascinating place... A periphery of the Persian empire, Greco and Buddhist statues and ruins present. Then it was (sort of) conquered by the Arabs, then Turks, then Mongols, then totally not really conquered by England while supplying all the Opiums. Then it went ahead and killed the U.S.S.R, then the whole Taliban thing and how half of Pakistan should be apart of Afghanistan... They really have a way of staying relevent.

ramones1986 said:
How about rebooting it?
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Maybe.. I'm more into making maps now :D

EDIT: So yeh, I may make a map series about it :)

corvus13 said:
A Tocharian Empire. Such a fascinating idea, an Indo-European Chinese culture?
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Mega-Indo European wank would be crazy, I have not idea how that could happen though :p
 
SavoyTruffle

SavoyTruffle

I just thought of the Sultanate of Sulu thriving into the present day, so why not.

Then a Romano-British state that weathers invasions... good times.
 
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