What if:Ceaser loses at Alesia
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Or they may not have. This site has a nasty habit of members all to often assumed things are predestined. Don't mean anything personal about it, but it seems unfair to dismiss the idea out of hand because of just one possibility that would arise from this situation. Also, a defeat for Caesar might involve Caesar's death, something the OP should specify if they have a specific scenario in mind.
https://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=336774&highlight=gaul
here's a recent thread discussing the topic.
consensus of people who don't know what they're talking about: Rome Conquers ALL!!!!! REVENGE FOR ROME! I BLEED SPQR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
consensus of people who do: Gaul might end up like Germania OTL, where Rome just decides its not worth invading, especially of Pompey has his way about everything, which he will with Caesar dead. Gaul will probably be a series of larger, more centralized and admittedly romanized confederacies/ republics.
here's a recent thread discussing the topic.
consensus of people who don't know what they're talking about: Rome Conquers ALL!!!!! REVENGE FOR ROME! I BLEED SPQR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
consensus of people who do: Gaul might end up like Germania OTL, where Rome just decides its not worth invading, especially of Pompey has his way about everything, which he will with Caesar dead. Gaul will probably be a series of larger, more centralized and admittedly romanized confederacies/ republics.
On the contrary, Pompey is a prime political target in this scenario. He's not needed. Granted, he's largely withdrawn himself from public life to focus more on enjoying his personal life, but his enemies in the Senate are going to whittle away what political capital he has left.
In the case of Germania there's the Rhine to use as an obvious long-term frontier, but where would one draw the line in Gaul?
The Alps perhaps? In any case, if Caesar loses or even dies at Alesia, Rome loses a large army at a time where much of Gaul was united under a single leader. Even Rome's chiefest Gallic allies, the Aedui, had aligned with Vercingetorix by the time of the Battle of Alesia. I think he could plausibly hold the alliance together a bit longer by warning of the dangers of further Roman attempts, even if the Romans become preoccupied with their own civil warring.
Need a land border with Spain. The line is likely drawn where it was, at Narbonensis. Or maybe the Dordogne? The Aedui also are likely going to return to being Roman allies after it's clear the Romans aren't trying to come back and conquer again.
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Well, in my defense, my silly timeline was a deliberate attempt to make Caesar dying in Gaul at least comparable to OTL in terms of how interesting the next 100 odd years would be. I realize it was hardly rigorous, but I would't have thought all that much blind Roman jingoism had crept into it.
If you don't mind, what was so ''Rome Conquers ALL!!!!! REVENGE FOR ROME! I BLEED SPQR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!'' about it?
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I'd say both suggestions seem likely, but I'd have to do some more research.
I keep wondering what the name of this "Ceaser", and what he's ceasing doing.
If someone who gave up easily went to Gaul, I imagine that Julius Caesar would go, and conquer it for Rome.
If someone who gave up easily went to Gaul, I imagine that Julius Caesar would go, and conquer it for Rome.
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I keep wondering what the name of this "Ceaser", and what he's ceasing doing.
If someone who gave up easily went to Gaul, I imagine that Julius Caesar would go, and conquer it for Rome.
He's obviously reffering to Ceaser Salad, which is where my username draws inspiration from.
Oh I wasn't meaning to be brash or point anyone out in particular. I've seen this debate come up several times since I've been on the site, and it gets quite repetitive.
As for that line, I was just trying to be silly
Gallic society was much more settled and semi-urbanized than Germanic society was. The fact that the entire territory was conquered by one ambitious general says something about how well the Gallic tribes would stand up to further Roman incursions (sure, Caesar was a skilled general, but he was also usually operating independently from a proper Roman logistical base). Further, immediately after the conquest, the Republic entered into two decades of civil war, yet Gallia remained solidly under Roman control.
Further, the Gallic tribes were being pressured by Germanic tribes around this time and had been for quite some time. I do not expect Rome to just sit by and watch this happen without taking advantage of it. Presuming a Roman polity at least as stable as historical for that time period, I would expect all of Gallia to eventually become part of the Roman Republic, even if its not all at once.
Further, the Gallic tribes were being pressured by Germanic tribes around this time and had been for quite some time. I do not expect Rome to just sit by and watch this happen without taking advantage of it. Presuming a Roman polity at least as stable as historical for that time period, I would expect all of Gallia to eventually become part of the Roman Republic, even if its not all at once.