Greetings comrades! I have long since pondered what our world would be like if by some perverse twist of fate the USA and it's Capitalist lackeys won the cold war? I can hardly imagine the abuse the workers of the world would experience daily under the cruel and exploitative Capitalist system. What would people believe and value if instead of hearing the great words of Marx, Lenin, Stalin, Mao and many other Socialist heroes they were still lied to by religion and big business?
DBWI: USA Wins Cold War?
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I would assume the US would limp on indefinitely. While the capitalist system is critically flawed I believe the US would adopt a sort of communist/capitalist hybrid. I do not want to even think about what would happen to the USSR in that scenario though, it certainly won't be good.
Relax, Hypotheticals are encouraged as long as they are used to underscore the inferiority of the capitalist system.
For instance, If the capitalist US survived to the era of nation wide shared data networks, do you think they would keep them confined to military purposes or would American data-nets expand into reaserch centers and military academies like our own data-net?
For instance, If the capitalist US survived to the era of nation wide shared data networks, do you think they would keep them confined to military purposes or would American data-nets expand into reaserch centers and military academies like our own data-net?
My fellow comrades!! Let me first say I hail from the Socialist Republic of New England, as such, we do not yet have full communism, but we are getting ever closer! Away with the rumors that there is capitalist sentiment and rebellious talk coming from the Provence of Maine! If the United States had lived on, I am ashamed to say I might have become of the borgiousie. I am young still (born after the collapse of the USA), and currently being educated so that I might become a diplomat for my nation.
Perhaps one daring capitalist might begin selling it, and through it the proletariat would be able to rise up against their oppressors in a modern style? We must remember, communism will prevail as the natural course of history!! We must remember it is through mass communications technologies that many rebellions in Africa were able to bring the worker out from under the thumb of oppression.
I honestly don't see this as possible unless the capitalist Jew pig-dogs can find a way to not get overrun by Stalin's Red Army during the War for European Liberation. After our glorious motherland expelled the fascists, we went on to liberate Europe from capitalism. Of course, there was still a bastion of bourgeoisie degeneracy across the ocean, so we had to invade and liberate its peoples too.
If, and this is a big if, they managed to make a nuclear bomb first, they could have been able to resist our might for a few more years, but they still would have been worn down by the strength of our glorious motherland.
If, and this is a big if, they managed to make a nuclear bomb first, they could have been able to resist our might for a few more years, but they still would have been worn down by the strength of our glorious motherland.
tenthring
Banned
Inflation.
Inflation destroys old capitalist systems like it did in Germany. They then either fall to the workers or the fascists. Throughout the early 1980s they had double digit inflation which led to many of the financial crisis.
Also, they majorly botched their foreign policy in the Middle East at the same time. We almost made the same mistake in Afghanistan.
On our end I think the biggest thing was the rise of China. They started to take off once Mao was assassinated by the moderates.
In the long run was it really that different though. We all ended up looking a lot like each other, and private property and market prices all have their little "communist" niches in our system now.
Inflation destroys old capitalist systems like it did in Germany. They then either fall to the workers or the fascists. Throughout the early 1980s they had double digit inflation which led to many of the financial crisis.
Also, they majorly botched their foreign policy in the Middle East at the same time. We almost made the same mistake in Afghanistan.
On our end I think the biggest thing was the rise of China. They started to take off once Mao was assassinated by the moderates.
In the long run was it really that different though. We all ended up looking a lot like each other, and private property and market prices all have their little "communist" niches in our system now.
RousseauX
Donor
Impossible, the dialectics of history as described by Marx, Engels, Lenin and Stalin clearly and in-dubiously outlines why the failure of capitalism and the triumph of the people's democracy was inevitable due to the inherit inferiority and contradiction of capitalism.
Perhaps if the US had adopted Communism when we did they would have spared being broken up into multiple Socialist Republics.
Perhaps if the US had adopted Communism when we did they would have spared being broken up into multiple Socialist Republics.
Son of Leman Russ
Banned
Greetings from greater Dominion of Australia! Communism sucks!
While your surprise invasion of Europe is a coward tactics, nuking of America is full on Genocidal attempt no better than Nazis! And even you can't take British Islands at all! We will fight you on the beach! And we will fight you in space! Long live the British Empire!
And your datanet securities are pathetic, everyday, the real freedom fighters listened and bring the truth of your opressions! And we all knew you cannot assault Britain, Canada, and Australia because we have worldwide Nuclear submarines ready to mutual kill if you dare!
While your surprise invasion of Europe is a coward tactics, nuking of America is full on Genocidal attempt no better than Nazis! And even you can't take British Islands at all! We will fight you on the beach! And we will fight you in space! Long live the British Empire!
And your datanet securities are pathetic, everyday, the real freedom fighters listened and bring the truth of your opressions! And we all knew you cannot assault Britain, Canada, and Australia because we have worldwide Nuclear submarines ready to mutual kill if you dare!
I told the folks in the Chemistry department LSD had no valid medicinal uses, but they didn't listen. Now the subjects are using the data center.....
Just another day at Karl Marx University I guess....
Admiral Halsey
Banned
Greetings from the Free State of Kentucky. AKA only state of the old USA that somehow survived everything the damn commies did to the US. So the US winning the cold war? Well the Status Quo continuing would alone have been a better outcome then what happened. Maybe a president who decides to try and outspend the USSR comes to power and send their economy into a freefall which causes it to collapse perhaps?
As a fellow Kentuckian, I can tell y'all that wouldn't work. Deng's China tried this in the '80s; that ended up destroying their economy in the long run, and they are now in economic freefall themselves.
Admiral Halsey
Banned
True but that was partially due to China not really having any real trade partners that could consume all the goodies they were making. Also does anyone know what happened to Israel BTW? Last I heard they were fighting the Arab's again and were thinking about using their nukes.
Stalinism is a vile perversion of true socialism.
When your centrally planned nonsense finally joins bourgeoisie capitalism in the dustbin of history, you will see that the system of cooperative enterprise, as laid down by glorious Marshal Tito, is the one true path to the communist ideal.
Yes, Yugoslavia and New Zealand have been right all along.
When your centrally planned nonsense finally joins bourgeoisie capitalism in the dustbin of history, you will see that the system of cooperative enterprise, as laid down by glorious Marshal Tito, is the one true path to the communist ideal.
Yes, Yugoslavia and New Zealand have been right all along.
And how can this president outspend the USSR? Even in terms of raw economical power the USSR and Communist block outpowered the USA and capitalistic block, respectively, by the 70's, and some argue that by the end of 60's? The post-war Germany alone became the power-house of Europe AGAIN in what? 15 years? Not to mention the Italian Miracle. No, for capitalists to win the Cold War you would need POD inside the USSR, because without some counter-revolutionists taking power I doubt that Motherland could have lost.
What about Stalin surviving past 1928? I know, that he is often credited as one of the fathers of communism, but still, his projects of skipping the capitalism and jumping to communism directly are insane, as we now have not only theoretical, but practical proofs of Marks works. Also, as noted by Comrade Lenin, he had some authorithorian tendencies, that never showed OTL, of course, but give him some time and enough power, and who knows? Maybe it would even lead to a much more devastating GWII, or half of China under Chiang Kai-shek.
What about Stalin surviving past 1928? I know, that he is often credited as one of the fathers of communism, but still, his projects of skipping the capitalism and jumping to communism directly are insane, as we now have not only theoretical, but practical proofs of Marks works. Also, as noted by Comrade Lenin, he had some authorithorian tendencies, that never showed OTL, of course, but give him some time and enough power, and who knows? Maybe it would even lead to a much more devastating GWII, or half of China under Chiang Kai-shek.
Naturally a capitalist victory would usher in an unimaginably horrible dystopia. Since capitalism succeeding would be contrary to the natural course of history the capitalists would have to use violence and intimidation. I imagine they would probably kill Comrade Stalin before he could purge fascist-imperialist traitors like Molotov and Beria. This would allow a truce in Korea, which the USA could have a base from which they could crush our Socialist brothers in Indochina, India, and the Middle East. With these regions under capitalist tyranny they would have the power and resources to train and unleash fundamentalists and nationalists on the communist nations; who, being under the control of fascist-imperialists, would be unable to withstand these groups. The end result would be a world in which capitalists and their puppets ruling over an army of slaves. Hail Comrade Stalin and the wisdom and fortitude that helped him lead us to greatness!
It's a pity that we finally have joined the rest of our comrades this late. We had so many possibilities of joining sooner, with Palmiro Togliatti, Berlinguer and Aldo Moro... 
But I guess that the current situation is better than this hypotetical situation where Capitalism triumphed. At least we aren't ruled over by a buisnessman that uses his money only to exploit the proletariate and buy some whores for himself and his friends.
(OOC: too obvious and convenient?)
But I guess that the current situation is better than this hypotetical situation where Capitalism triumphed. At least we aren't ruled over by a buisnessman that uses his money only to exploit the proletariate and buy some whores for himself and his friends.
(OOC: too obvious and convenient?
)The question is how. The rise of Communism is inevitable historically. Even though in East Asia right now their appears to be an ascendance of the free market system (the Chinese Empire, as their dominions in Vietnam, Taiwan, Korea, Japan, and the Philippines) and China is far and away the world's largest economy, I feel it is a matter of time they cave. They keep growing, but our best scholars have been pointing out the rotten parts of their society for years and their proleteriat will overthrown them too.
It was only an aberration that caused their ascendance in the first place. The sudden collapse of US power gave them free hand in Asia. They were still on good terms with the USSR and it appeared that Communism would soon span the globe.
Now, if US power did not collapse, then likely Korea, Japan, and Philippines would be full-blown capitalist economies unless a revolution of the proletariat occurs first. We cannot ignore this. The USA can "win" the cold war militarily (such as nuking the USSR first) but still cannot fight the tide of history.
As a matter of full disclosure, I am writing from Argentina. We don't really have a dog in this fight, though these days economically we feel the tug of Asia more and more.
It was only an aberration that caused their ascendance in the first place. The sudden collapse of US power gave them free hand in Asia. They were still on good terms with the USSR and it appeared that Communism would soon span the globe.
Now, if US power did not collapse, then likely Korea, Japan, and Philippines would be full-blown capitalist economies unless a revolution of the proletariat occurs first. We cannot ignore this. The USA can "win" the cold war militarily (such as nuking the USSR first) but still cannot fight the tide of history.
As a matter of full disclosure, I am writing from Argentina. We don't really have a dog in this fight, though these days economically we feel the tug of Asia more and more.
hm I would think in the case of Pigs winning this war
it would be because of Counter revolutionary destroying us...BY arms of pigs
I would think that USA will suffer 13/4 like us in...what do those pigs called it...ah yes World Trade Center because of those Muslim
just 1 Question arent We susposed to speak russian dear Comrade?
it would be because of Counter revolutionary destroying us...BY arms of pigs
I would think that USA will suffer 13/4 like us in...what do those pigs called it...ah yes World Trade Center because of those Muslim
just 1 Question arent We susposed to speak russian dear Comrade?