US covers all North America - without any war since 1783

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POD - The American rebels succeed in driving the British out of all of Canada except for Nova Scotia during the War of Independence. After the war, the US remains permanently under a modified version of the Articles of Confederation, which gives the federal government a little more authority than the original articles but considerably less than OTL Constitution. Louisiana is purchased as in OTL. There is no war of 1812. Later in the 19th century, Mexico falls into civil war and several of its northern provinces join the US voluntarily. All states agree de facto not to discriminate legally against citizens of other states based on religion. Slavery causes high tensions, but civil war is averted. The weaker federal government becomes adept at mediating disputes between different states and territories. Slavery becomes less of an issue toward the end of the 19th century as several states begin gradual emancipation. When Mexico's corrupt Imperial government collapses in the late 1870s, most of the remaining Mexican states join the US over the next few years. Nicaragua joins the US in the 1890s and a canal is dug across the state, opening in 1909. By the 1920s the other Central American nations plus Cuba have opted for statehood in the US. When Russia collapses in Civil War in the 1920s, the former Russian province of Alaska gains admittance to the US. Nova Scotia and Newfoundland join the US in the 1940s with a special condition that allows it to retain some ties to Britain. Racial discrimination remains a major issue, and it has to be dealt with state-by-state since the federal government doesn't have the authority. On the other hand, some states reach agreements with each other to end legal discrimination against each others' citizens. The 20th century also sees the creation of several new states out of parts of old ones, and these new states usually have distinctive economic, geographic, ethnic, or linguistic features that put them at odds with other parts of the state.

By the early 21st century, almost all of North America is within the US. The US of this timeline is in many ways like a continent-sized version of Switzerland - a federal state with strong regional governments, multiple languages, and a tradition of neutrality in regard to disputes between other nations.

Is this plausible or is it more of an ASB scenario?
 

Ryan

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I don't think I've ever seen one of my old posts resurrected like this - and when I say old, I mean old! :eek:

just think, when you asked this there was probably only 20-something members on this sight given that you're no. 20 and you asked this within a month of joining.
 
just think, when you asked this there was probably only 20-something members on this sight given that you're no. 20 and you asked this within a month of joining.

Yup, I think this is from just after alternatehistory.com switched from the original format to what we then called the "new board". It's definitely been a long time, and ah.com was a much smaller place back then. :)
 
Since it's been finally talked about there is a way without war- the US tried to buy Rupert's Land in 1869 from the HBC prior to it being given back to the Crown, right there you get the US having most of Canada. With Alaska and Rupert's Land, little reason for the British to hold on to British Columbia and the Yukon. Quebec, Ontario, Newfoundland, and Labrador would have more incentive to join the US, especially during and after WWII; Denmark might even be willing to sell Greenland this time (OTL they turned down what would be several billion dollars in 2015 US dollars). Right there the US has all of "North America" as conventionally put and without wars. You'd need wars to get the rest of North America that is part of Latin America; a Mexican-American War that the US is willing to annex all of Mexico; no Platt Amendment so Cuba is annexed; willingness to intervene in support of fillibusters and you can grab most of Central America; Teddy being even more aggressive and just taking all of Panama; Grant taking Dominican Republic; several opportunities to take Haiti; rest of Caribbean follows.
 
-US gains independence per OTL
-War of 1812 avoided by not impressing Americans onto British ships
-Corn laws never repealed, Responsible Government not permitted
-US Civil War avoided by distraction from Canada as Riots of 1857 turn to full rebellion, war avoided but tensions with Britain outweigh sectional problems for now
-US buys out Rupert's Land while Montreal agitates for annexation
-Rupert's land purchased as Corn Laws repealed but local parliaments still not permitted
-Lower Canada holds referendum, votes to leave and join US
-Upper Canada isolated and does the same as fait acompli
-US buys Alaska; UK sells British Columbia as to avoid its being overrun by Americans and annexed later
-US takes Atlantic provinces in exchange for aid in later war?
 

Ryan

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I gotta admit i'm half tempted at times to find the oldest unlocked thread on the board and post in it.

the oldest I could find is only a month older than this thread. I think that's essentially the limit as that's when the site became what it is now.

as to the op, US being pro-British from the start is a must I think.
 
the oldest I could find is only a month older than this thread. I think that's essentially the limit as that's when the site became what it is now.

as to the op, US being pro-British from the start is a must I think.

January 3 2004. In this forum section anyway. Something to do with Germany. AT least, that is the one i found.
 
I gotta admit i'm half tempted at times to find the oldest unlocked thread on the board and post in it.

And just now noticed I failed to type in the rest of my post. As I was saying i'll admit i'm half tempted at times to find the oldest unlocked thread on the board and post in it, however I then realize all i'd be doing is pissing off the mods and breaking the rules.
 
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