What if the USA intervened in the war of 1941?

Primity

In July 1941, Peru invaded Ecuador. Within a month the war ended due to american calls for peace. Yet, Peru still annexed half of Ecuador and could have
easily taken the rest of the nation with their 60,000 man army. What f Peru rejected the calls for peace and this led America to eventually intervene militarily? This could have had negative effects on America's war effort when it ended WW2. Yet I'm new to alternate history and I'm just asking for possible scenarios.
 

Emperor-of-New-Zealand

I think the important question here is whether or not America would have actually intervened. Like most people on the site, South American history completely escapes me, so I'm far from an expert, but wasn't America quite isolationist during this period aside from helping out the allies before their entry into the war? Or did this occur after their entry into the war?

I mean, if America becomes embroiled in a war in South America, it kind of opens up opportunities for Japan to make overtures there; South and Central America were part of Japan's "grand plan", however unrealistic those goals were.
 
kodak

kodak

Emperor-of-New-Zealand said:
I think the important question here is whether or not America would have actually intervened. Like most people on the site, South American history completely escapes me, so I'm far from an expert, but wasn't America quite isolationist during this period aside from helping out the allies before their entry into the war? Or did this occur after their entry into the war?

I mean, if America becomes embroiled in a war in South America, it kind of opens up opportunities for Japan to make overtures there; South and Central America were part of Japan's "grand plan", however unrealistic those goals were.
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Between the world wars, America was only "isolationist" from countries not economically tied to them. There were plenty of interventions and invasions (largely thanks to Wilson) in latin America to protect the property and interests of US companies.

In order to get a US intervention, something needs to happen that threatens US business interests or the pacific fleet.
 

Primity

We'll, this could have allowed Japan to fulfill one of its plans to invade the United States. It would involve invading Ecuador then moving from there to the west coast of America. There is also a chance a rival of Peru would have sided with Ecuador and created a regional war in South America. This regional war would cause problems to the economy of Latin American states and might cause the United States to intervene militarily. I'm going to have to think of this a bit before I can conclude...
 

Johnrankins

Primity said:
We'll, this could have allowed Japan to fulfill one of its plans to invade the United States. It would involve invading Ecuador then moving from there to the west coast of America. There is also a chance a rival of Peru would have sided with Ecuador and created a regional war in South America. This regional war would cause problems to the economy of Latin American states and might cause the United States to intervene militarily. I'm going to have to think of this a bit before I can conclude...
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Do you think Ecuador can provide for a significant fleet?
 
kodak

kodak

How is Japan suppose dto get anything to Ecuador? It's basically on the opposite sid eof the world.
 

walmart

Primity said:
We'll, this could have allowed Japan to fulfill one of its plans to invade the United States. It would involve invading Ecuador then moving from there to the west coast of America. There is also a chance a rival of Peru would have sided with Ecuador and created a regional war in South America. This regional war would cause problems to the economy of Latin American states and might cause the United States to intervene militarily. I'm going to have to think of this a bit before I can conclude...
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They don't the logistics to do so
 
B-29_Bomber

B-29_Bomber

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Emperor-of-New-Zealand said:
I think the important question here is whether or not America would have actually intervened. Like most people on the site, South American history completely escapes me, so I'm far from an expert, but wasn't America quite isolationist during this period aside from helping out the allies before their entry into the war? Or did this occur after their entry into the war?

I mean, if America becomes embroiled in a war in South America, it kind of opens up opportunities for Japan to make overtures there; South and Central America were part of Japan's "grand plan", however unrealistic those goals were.
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Easy, it's called the Monroe Doctrine and the Roosevelt Corollary.

If the US decided that it was in their interests to intervene they'd goddamn intervene and God help those Peruvians.
 

rush4you

- On one hand, the US really didn't care about South America at all, except that trade could flow and raw materials were sold to them. Read Dvaldron's Axis of Andes, a fine South American TL. It explains well that even with a fascist government, the US wouldn't have put boots on the ground. (unless one side did something monumentally stupid like basing Japanese ships for a strike on the Panama Canal).

- On the other hand, Peru took a large territory from Ecuador, but mostly 'empty' jungles. No Ecuatorian core territories were taken. Even today some people regret that the province of El Oro, where important amounts of oil and minerals were located later, was allowed to stay in Ecuador.

In order to change that, you would need a far more belligerent government. Perhaps with Sanchez Cerro in charge that annexes Ecuador and commits atrocities. And even then that wouldn't guarantee US intervention because Peru would still join the Allies after PH and all would be forgiven.

Carl Schwamberger said:
IRCC they were only able to field about 60,000 of those during the main portion of the war. the remainder had to stay near the cities for supply reasons.
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And as precaution to avoid an opportunistic Chile to strike from the south IIRC
 

Emperor-of-New-Zealand

B-29_Bomber said:
Easy, it's called the Monroe Doctrine and the Roosevelt Corollary.

If the US decided that it was in their interests to intervene they'd goddamn intervene and God help those Peruvians.
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As to the former, the Monroe Doctrine was to keep Europeans away from directly or indirectly colonising their 'sphere of influence', wasn't it?

As to the latter, I don't doubt it - but you need to create that situation.
 

TFSmith121

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The US backed Peru for the obvious reason

Primity said:
In July 1941, Peru invaded Ecuador. Within a month the war ended due to american calls for peace. Yet, Peru still annexed half of Ecuador and could have
easily taken the rest of the nation with their 60,000 man army. What f Peru rejected the calls for peace and this led America to eventually intervene militarily? This could have had negative effects on America's war effort when it ended WW2. Yet I'm new to alternate history and I'm just asking for possible scenarios.
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The US backed Peru for the obvious reason; to counterbalance Chile, which was seen as being at least "open" to potential Axis (largely German) influence, in the same way Argentina was seen as being open to Axis (largely Italian) influence.

Same held true for US support for Brazil and Mexico (and, to be honest, pretty much all of the Latin American republics except Argentina and Chile) in the short of war period.

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