True 1861 Game: Owenos Version

[Oweno]

Hi everyone. Im the moderator and i will list the players now

Oweno- Brazil
Rocano- United States of America
HUCK- Confederate States of America
Uber Amoeba- Ottoman Empire
Demosthenes- British Empire
CommunistWizard- Russian Empire
baggins- China
Fenwick- Mexico
Atreus- 2nd French Empire
Shurik-Austria-Hungary
Krall-The Netherlands

If you wan t to conquer land you ask me first Ok. So lets start this thing

[HUCK]

OOC: SWEET

[Oweno]

An Invitataion

To Farmers of the CSA: We wish to become a Rich Agriculutural nation like the CSA. We invite the Poor of the CSA to Brazil so that they may farm on land offered to them.

To the Government of the CSA: Brazil would like to ask for a Military and Economic Alliance with the CSA.

To the Government of Great Britain and the Netherlands: We wish to gain control of your Colonies on the South American Continent.

[baggins]

OOC:A lot of territorial changes have been going on in the proposal thread Oweno. We need a new map to start the official game off with. Check through the proposal thread and change the map accordingly.

IC: China is pleased to announce victory over Taiping (OOC:Southern China minus Macau and Hong Kong). We have brought the rebellious fanatics back into line with a loss of only 9000 soldiers . The territorial concessions to France and Russia are now official. Russia gains the promised parts of Korea (OOC: See proposal thread Oweno) and the French Empire now holds Hainan Island and are free to expand in Indochina.

[Rocano]

The US-CS Agreement or the Treaty of Carthage clearly stated that there is to be no Slavery at all in the CSA. President Lincoln has passed a law declaring all Slavery illegal. Freed slaves has been given the right to vote and run for Public Office.

The US Military is Currently at
Army: 980,000
Navy:60,700
Marines:3,860

We have also calculated the CS Military at

Army:481,000
Navy:3,000
Marines:600

OOC: Got the numbers from Oweno

[Communist Wizard]

The Map of the World:
40210

[Demosthenes]

Britain expresses our appreciation for a treaty between the CSA and the USA.

[Oweno]

The Map of the World:
40210

Brazil has moved forces into the land in between Brazil and Peru and has claimed it as our own.

[Atreus]

Brazil has moved forces into the land in between Brazil and Peru and has claimed it as our own.

OOC: remember, the terrain is the andes mountains, seperated from Brazil proper by hundreds of miles of uncharted Amazon rainforest. Moving troops around may not be as easy as you expect.

Should we have an agreement that, barring player-induced chages, events featuring countries not being played (ex: war of the Pacific) will procede as OTL unless a played country specifically intervenes?

[HUCK]

An Invitataion

To Farmers of the CSA: We wish to become a Rich Agriculutural nation like the CSA. We invite the Poor of the CSA to Brazil so that they may farm on land offered to them.

To the Government of the CSA: Brazil would like to ask for a Military and Economic Alliance with the CSA.

To the Government of Great Britain and the Netherlands: We wish to gain control of your Colonies on the South American Continent.

The Confederacy would be glad to reach an alliance with the fine people of Brazil. In your agriculture situation, it is so far recorded that only 300 families have left Confederate ports bound for Brazil.

[Demosthenes]

An Invitataion

To Farmers of the CSA: We wish to become a Rich Agriculutural nation like the CSA. We invite the Poor of the CSA to Brazil so that they may farm on land offered to them.

To the Government of the CSA: Brazil would like to ask for a Military and Economic Alliance with the CSA.

To the Government of Great Britain and the Netherlands: We wish to gain control of your Colonies on the South American Continent.

Why would we simply hand over our colonies. The British would not do such a rediciulous thing for no reason!

[HUCK]

The CSA would like to attempt negotiations on the purchase of this piece of land. Not now, but maybe sometime in the future.

[Agentdark]

This game did not run through proper procedure, and is in violation of shared worlds regulations that state only 3 games in progress at any one time. sorry. you will have to wait.

[Oweno]

This game did not run through proper procedure, and is in violation of shared worlds regulations that state only 3 games in progress at any one time. sorry. you will have to wait.
ooc/
Umm i made a Proposal page and than i got ten People and i tink a little more. Tell me what i did wrong again, or is it just that someone was already making a 1861 game.

[Oweno]

Why would we simply hand over our colonies. The British would not do such a rediciulous thing for no reason!

We would like to enter Negotiations. We would glady offer an Alliance or A Money payed in loan.

[Oweno]

OOC: remember, the terrain is the andes mountains, seperated from Brazil proper by hundreds of miles of uncharted Amazon rainforest. Moving troops around may not be as easy as you expect.

Should we have an agreement that, barring player-induced chages, events featuring countries not being played (ex: war of the Pacific) will procede as OTL unless a played country specifically intervenes?

yep, Atreus you have it right

[Agentdark]

ooc/
Umm i made a Proposal page and than i got ten People and i tink a little more. Tell me what i did wrong again, or is it just that someone was already making a 1861 game.
Becouse their were already 3 games running.

[Oweno]

Becouse their were already 3 games running.

Well Okay than I know After Impact and Nations Game. what is the other one

[baggins]

Well Okay than I know After Impact and Nations Game. what is the other one

I think theres a Mosaic going on as well

[Krall]

To the Government of Great Britain and the Netherlands: We wish to gain control of your Colonies on the South American Continent.

We are of the same opinion as our British brothers, we will not give our colonies up for nothing.

OoC/ Is everything reset then? /OoC

[baggins]

We are of the same opinion as our British brothers, we will not give our colonies up for nothing.

OoC/ Is everything reset then? /OoC

No. Unfortunatly this game is probably going to be stopped soon enough. Let me tell ya, that aint doing by chronic depression any good :(:(:(:(:(:(:(:(:(:(

[Communist Wizard]

No. Unfortunatly this game is probably going to be stopped soon enough. Let me tell ya, that aint doing by chronic depression any good :(:(:(:(:(:(:(:(:(:(
OOC: Eh, play the game...
Though I don't get it. If peopke are having fun, WHY STOP IT?!
The rules are made so people can have fun. Well they ARE having fun. Then what is the problem?
IC: Large numbers of troops and supplies will be sent to our Far Eastern territories... The Far East Navy is mobilising.

[Demosthenes]

OOC: Eh, play the game...
Though I don't get it. If peopke are having fun, WHY STOP IT?!
The rules are made so people can have fun. Well they ARE having fun. Then what is the problem?
IC: Large numbers of troops and supplies will be sent to our Far Eastern territories... The Far East Navy is mobilising.

Agentdark is the Shared worlds head. We have to listen to him. I am patient enough to wait for the other game to stop so we can continue.

I propose the game be paused at this time.

[baggins]

The newly reformed navy of China is mobilising also.

Veterans of the Taiping War now muster at our ports. We are preparing...

[Agentdark]

Jesus, do people have to be so melodramatic about things. Depression, calls for "the people" to have fun, sounds like I just executed someone, not tried to keep things in rules and regulations.

I'll compromise, I am ALLOWING it this time, however, any future games are sticking with the rules, including the notice I put up. However, I will likely be moving this to a different shared worlds subforum, probably collaborative projects.

Reasonable?

[Oweno]

Jesus, do people have to be so melodramatic about things. Depression, calls for "the people" to have fun, sounds like I just executed someone, not tried to keep things in rules and regulations.

I'll compromise, I am ALLOWING it this time, however, any future games are sticking with the rules, including the notice I put up. However, I will likely be moving this to a different shared worlds subforum, probably collaborative projects.

Reasonable?

Sounds fine AgentDark, can I call ya AD, like Adrian Peterson?

[Agentdark]

Sure, everyone's welcome to call me AD.

Anyway, moving this to collaborative projects.

[Oweno]

Sure, everyone's welcome to call me AD.

Anyway, moving this to collaborative projects.

Gotcha AD esck wgqwkwgr and thats how i saved chriistmas

[baggins]

Jesus, do people have to be so melodramatic about things. Depression, calls for "the people" to have fun, sounds like I just executed someone, not tried to keep things in rules and regulations.

I'll compromise, I am ALLOWING it this time, however, any future games are sticking with the rules, including the notice I put up. However, I will likely be moving this to a different shared worlds subforum, probably collaborative projects.

Reasonable?

Very reasonable, thank you :):):)

Sorry if I overreacted. Keep in mind I've tendency to be a little insane :D:o

[Agentdark]

Insanity is fine. However, keep in mind that I have 0% Sympathy for anyone who plays a "Woe is me" card.

[Oweno]

Insanity is fine. However, keep in mind that I have 0% Sympathy for anyone who plays a "Woe is me" card.

yet you were nice to Baggins, way to go AD hes never gonaa stop now.

[baggins]

yet you were nice to Baggins, way to go AD hes never gonaa stop now.

Don't worry, I'll stop the noobish whining and I apologise again :o

My insanity will be staying. :D

[Oweno]

The Empire of Brazil has received the Confederate Farmers and made them rich men.

[baggins]

China announces an invasion of our weakling neighbour Japan. With Russia's aid we are assured a victory!

[Oweno]

Don't worry, I'll stop the noobish whining and I apologise again :o



ooc:Really, Ok next time i say no about something unless you have a valid answer for why you should instead of PLEEEEEEEZZZ or WHY NOT?! than you listen im in charge people.

[Krall]

China announces an invasion of our weakling neighbour Japan. With Russia's aid we are assured a victory!

We [the Netherlands] have established trade missions in Japan.

If you do not attack them and allow them to continue after your occupation of Japan, we will not oppose you.

[baggins]

We [the Netherlands] have established trade missions in Japan.

If you do not attack them and allow them to continue after your occupation of Japan, we will not oppose you.

China agrees that Dutch trading posts will be left alone during the invasion. Once the land is annexed between us and Russia you may continue trade

[Uber_Amoeba]

The Ottoman Empire, secure in its modernization program and its sovereignty over Egypt, has begun an invasion of Nejd and Abu Dhabi. These weak, disunited Arab states should pose no threat to the Ottoman military.

[HUCK]

The CSA would like to discuss the peaceful annexation of Virgina with the United States.

[Rocano]

The CSA would like to discuss the peaceful annexation of Virgina with the United States.

The United States refuses this as it was apart of the Peace Treaty, along with a non-agression Pact. We will not have you taking our land.

[HUCK]

The United States refuses this as it was apart of the Peace Treaty, along with a non-agression Pact. We will not have you taking our land.

The Confederacy cannot hold her tongue any longer. Virginia is Confederate. Let's make this peaceful. We don't want to shed yankee blood now do we?

[Rocano]

Yankee Blood. We would wip your Asses. Now that the State is under Raps and our Copmmander is Robert E. Lee, your Beuregard or Jackson couldnt stand a chance. We have shear force. And now an ally in Russia. The CSA is lucky we decided to let no blood shed.

[Oweno]

Please would the American Nations please stop. Both of you have already caused about one World War already.

[HUCK]

Please would the American Nations please stop. Both of you have already caused about one World War already.

Maybe Brazil is right, I think the world may go to the devil if both American nations point our guns at one another. But those insults will not be forgotten.

[Oweno]

Maybe Brazil is right, I think the world may go to the devil if both American nations point our guns at one another. But those insults will not be forgotten.


At last common sense has arose from the Younger of the American Nations.

[HUCK]

But!, A little bird reminded me of a large amount of cotton heading toward Mexico a while back. In return, the Mexican govermant marched some boots a few miles north and called it an alliance. If you refer to a map sent to Mexico earlier. (ooc: 1st pg.) I demand that the Mexican goverment hand over the piece of land in return for the CSA giving them that hefty loan.

[Rocano]

Maybe Brazil is right, I think the world may go to the devil if both American nations point our guns at one another. But those insults will not be forgotten.

Finally someone knocked some sense into you.

President Licoln has decided to send a Fleet to Support the Sino-Russian Invasion of Japan.

[baggins]

Finally someone knocked some sense into you.

President Licoln has decided to send a Fleet to Support the Sino-Russian Invasion of Japan.

Our emperor sends thanks to the US President for this completly unexpected act of friendship. Your fleet will no doubt assist significantly as the invasion continues.

In other events, China is conducting an invasion of Joseon (Korea) for not giving the required land to Korea. We have met with little resistance and annexation should occur within a month or maybe less.

Also, China has managed to secure a beach head on Shikoku. Chinese troops are now on Nippon soil.

[Atreus]

OOC: I think people are going a little far with the invasion of Japan. Sorry, China, but even the aid of me and Russia can't change the fact that China doesn't have much of a navy at the moment, and the Russians and Americans have rather small and weak Pacific squadrons at this time. there are other factors, but I don't have time to list them.

[Oweno]

OOC: I think people are going a little far with the invasion of Japan. Sorry, China, but even the aid of me and Russia can't change the fact that China doesn't have much of a navy at the moment, and the Russians and Americans have rather small and weak Pacific squadrons at this time. there are other factors, but I don't have time to list them.

OOC: I totally agree with you but baggins was being a whiny B-Atch

[baggins]

OOC: I totally agree with you but baggins was being a whiny B-Atch

OOC: I object! I accepted it when you said China couldn't invade. Communist Wizard was the one who complained, I just forwarded his message! Don't shoot the messenger Oweno!

If this invasion is that implausible, I'll just cancel it OK?

[Fenwick]

To: the CSA
From: Mexico
Mexico wishes the CSA to know that it will not enter into any talks over land with it. Please refrain from calling us an ally, our early talks never included such a thing, you gave us a resource in exchange for recognition nothing more.

Also we feel you are acting in a most underhanded manner in calling for the state of Virginia back. You made a deal requesting independence, and after months of saying that is all your "noble" people wanted you now speak of determination, and a cultural identity that was not in exsistence until a year ago.

To: the World
From: Mexico

Recently Mexico came into a large amount of cotton, about 16 million dollars worth (400-500,000 bales). We shall be selling this at a rate of 1/3 less then that of the Confederacy. Once the stockpile is gone, we will sell no more. All are welcome to buy. To nations who we owe a debt to, we shall be willing to restart loan payments using this cotton at regular rates.

[Rocano]

[B]To: the World
From: Mexico

Recently Mexico came into a large amount of cotton, about 16 million dollars worth (400-500,000 bales). We shall be selling this at a rate of 1/3 less then that of the Confederacy. Once the stockpile is gone, we will sell no more. All are welcome to buy. To nations who we owe a debt to, we shall be willing to restart loan payments using this cotton at regular rates.

The Union would be interested in buying good cotton.

[Oweno]

OOC: I object! I accepted it when you said China couldn't invade. Communist Wizard was the one who complained, I just forwarded his message! Don't shoot the messenger Oweno!

If this invasion is that implausible, I'll just cancel it OK?

OOC: Look its already underway but here are the rules for War

1. You have to ask my Permission on it.

2. If I give it the headway ask Atreus for the Plausibility.

3. You have to have a reason for War. No "Im invading Siam becuase i want it." Ok.

[baggins]

OOC: Look its already underway but here are the rules for War

1. You have to ask my Permission on it.

2. If I give it the headway ask Atreus for the Plausibility.

3. You have to have a reason for War. No "Im invading Siam becuase i want it." Ok.

Ok...Sorry again :(:o:(:o:(:o

[Atreus]

Ok...Sorry again :(:o:(:o:(:o

OOC: He never specified how good a reason you need. It is more a matter of what you can sell to your country. In some cases, you need a direct border conflict or something (Ussuri river escalates type), an insult (the bad ems telegram that started the franco-prussian war), or just a militarist government (japan in 1896, 1904, 1930s). There are other ways as well. Just check for plausibility.

[Atreus]

And france agrees with (isert name of country that made this point; I can't find the original post). The CSA is acting to aggressivly. You are arbitrarily demanding terrritory from your neighbors with no cause. The argument vs. Mexico is shakey at best, and the one with the US is nothing. You are asking two nations, either of which is larger then you, to hand over land you never had, or, in the case of the US, which you peacefully ceeded any claims to.

[Communist Wizard]

OOC: Weak Pacific Squadrons? Dude, the Japanese have nothing! They weren't even allowed to build boats which would get them out to sea until 1868! Remember, 1868 was the year when they started modernising.
Meanwhile, I can sail a few armed boats and start bombading the place. God, I hate the Japan-is-powerful-before-1868 syndrome.
Oweno, I'm not whining, I'm presenting an argument. Just clarifying. ;):)
Russia
To CSA
We object to the peaceful annexation of Virginia. It was not mentioned in the peace plan, so you have no merit. And why should their capital be so close to the border?
To USA
We are busy 'pacifying' Japan at the moment, but we will support you. Can you send some supplies to help industrialisation from the factories of the North?
We thank you for your support in the invasion of Japan.
To the Dutch:
Your trading posts will be honored.
News:
Because of the Japanese murder of both Chinese and Russian sailors, we have indaded Japan. We had very heavy fighting, but some shoguns were swayed to our side, and we easily outmatched the backwater armies that the Japanese fielded. Now, the Japanese have surrendered.
Peace terms- Southern Islands are Chinese (directly annexed)
Hokkaido and Sakhalin directly annexed to Russia
Honshu is rump Japan, de facto Russian puppet.
40527

[HUCK]

To: the CSA From: Mexico
Mexico wishes the CSA to know that it will not enter into any talks over land with it. Please refrain from calling us an ally, our early talks never included such a thing, you gave us a resource in exchange for recognition nothing more.

I would like to say that the Mexican goverment is filled with a whole bunch of cheats!

ooc: please dont hate me Fenwick!:D

[Fenwick]

Mexico is somewhat curious if the USA and CSA will recognize the claims upon Texas we have, due in no small part to the twenty-three carts of ceral goods that Texas did not pay for in December of 1860.*

Of course if the CSA finds such a claim absurd, perhaps they could themselves learn how to behave as an independent state?

* OOC: Texas has an outstanding debt of about $2,000 from a unpaid delivery of goods. It was a joke in the government about getting the money back, thanks to the CSA taking on the debt, then collapsing, then Mexico switching government twice in under ten years. Read the Newt book on the History of the civil war for the reference.

[HUCK]

claims upon Texas we have

hahahahhahahahahaha!!!...no

[baggins]

OOC: Weak Pacific Squadrons? Dude, the Japanese have nothing! They weren't even allowed to build boats which would get them out to sea until 1868! Remember, 1868 was the year when they started modernising.
Meanwhile, I can sail a few armed boats and start bombading the place. God, I hate the Japan-is-powerful-before-1868 syndrome.
Oweno, I'm not whining, I'm presenting an argument. Just clarifying. ;):)
Russia
To CSA
We object to the peaceful annexation of Virginia. It was not mentioned in the peace plan, so you have no merit. And why should their capital be so close to the border?
To USA
We are busy 'pacifying' Japan at the moment, but we will support you. Can you send some supplies to help industrialisation from the factories of the North?
We thank you for your support in the invasion of Japan.
To the Dutch:
Your trading posts will be honored.
News:
Because of the Japanese murder of both Chinese and Russian sailors, we have indaded Japan. We had very heavy fighting, but some shoguns were swayed to our side, and we easily outmatched the backwater armies that the Japanese fielded. Now, the Japanese have surrendered.
Peace terms- Southern Islands are Chinese (directly annexed)
Hokkaido and Sakhalin directly annexed to Russia
Honshu is rump Japan, de facto Russian puppet.
40527

USA has contacted China and requests that though Honshu is a Russian protectorate it should be open to all 3 nations who assisted conquering. They also ask for the city of Edo as a concession.

What say Russia?

[Oweno]

Mexico is somewhat curious if the USA and CSA will recognize the claims upon Texas we have, due in no small part to the twenty-three carts of ceral goods that Texas did not pay for in December of 1860.*

Of course if the CSA finds such a claim absurd, perhaps they could themselves learn how to behave as an independent state?

* OOC: Texas has an outstanding debt of about $2,000 from a unpaid delivery of goods. It was a joke in the government about getting the money back, thanks to the CSA taking on the debt, then collapsing, then Mexico switching government twice in under ten years. Read the Newt book on the History of the civil war for the reference.

If Texas owes such a debht than The CS will pay it, we suppose.

[Krall]

We have completed our campaign of bringing the unruly people in the East Indies into our empire.

Map:
http://img223.imageshack.us/img223/2634/1861otlsa3.png

[Fenwick]

If Texas owes such a debht than The CS will pay it, we suppose.

It was simply an example of how absurd the CSA claims are.

[Communist Wizard]

Russia says yes, Honshu shall be open to also China and the US. The Dutch will also get influence in Nagasaki.
Edo is now a US City, and the US will have a sphere of influence in the East of Japan (China the South. Russia has influence everywhere)
The map is slightly wrong...
China has the little southern Japanese islands... I should have Central Asia... Russia does not claim Egypt...

[Atreus]

China has the little southern Japanese islands... I should have Central Asia... Russia does not claim Egypt...

I have Hianan Island...

[Rocano]

Russia says yes, Honshu shall be open to also China and the US. The Dutch will also get influence in Nagasaki.
Edo is now a US City, and the US will have a sphere of influence in the East of Japan (China the South. Russia has influence everywhere)
The map is slightly wrong...
China has the little southern Japanese islands... I should have Central Asia... Russia does not claim Egypt...

The US is glad to have Edo in our Good Graces. Now that the US Flag flies over the old city the US Navy will have a safe haven for the US Navy in the Pacific.

[baggins]

Russia says yes, Honshu shall be open to also China and the US. The Dutch will also get influence in Nagasaki.
Edo is now a US City, and the US will have a sphere of influence in the East of Japan (China the South. Russia has influence everywhere)
The map is slightly wrong...
China has the little southern Japanese islands... I should have Central Asia... Russia does not claim Egypt...

And I've annexed Korea

[Oweno]

And I've annexed Korea

OOC: Not yet. Your still fighting them.

[Rocano]

The United States would like to know the Future of Honshu. Should we let the Emperors rule as they have for so long or should a Republic now rule. We are for a Republic because the Emperor's would only support the Samurai who are the largest Trouble agianst us.

[Krall]

China has the little southern Japanese islands...

OoC/ True. /OoC

I should have Central Asia...

OoC/ Did you invade it and annex it during the course of the game? I would think I'd have noticed such a massive change. /OoC

Russia does not claim Egypt...

OoC/ No, and? Egypt has an Egyptian-colour outline and Ottoman colours inside it, nothing to do with Russia. /OoC

In addition to the money already paid to the Ottoman Empire, we have sent you spices and another small shipment of gold. Hopefully this will satisfy our debt to you.

Map [corrected]:
http://img223.imageshack.us/img223/1039/1861otlhr5.png

[Communist Wizard]

OoC/ True. /OoC



OoC/ Did you invade it and annex it during the course of the game? I would think I'd have noticed such a massive change. /OoC
OOC: Hmm... OK, will do so. Got me there :o


OoC/ No, and? Egypt has an Egyptian-colour outline and Ottoman colours inside it, nothing to do with Russia. /OoC
OOC: Woopsies...

Well, that was slightly wrong.

[HUCK]

The CS just thought we should mention the fact that we are accepting Indian tribes into CS borders. The Cherroke are to be given a small chunk of northern Georgia. They will also be accepted as CS citizens.

[Rocano]

The CS just thought we should mention the fact that we are accepting Indian tribes into CS borders. The Cherroke are to be given a small chunk of northern Georgia. They will also be accepted as CS citizens.
As long as here is no attempt at taking US Citizens.

[HUCK]

As long as here is no attempt at taking US Citizens.

We aren't making raids if that is what you mean.

[Rocano]

We aren't making raids if that is what you mean.

We werent suggesting that. The Indians betrayed America when they decided to rebel against us. We have made a law guarenteeing White and Black Citizens several ACres of land Free.

[HUCK]

We werent suggesting that. The Indians betrayed America when they decided to rebel against us. We have made a law guarenteeing White and Black Citizens several ACres of land Free.

Well they have been given CS citizenship.

[Rocano]

Well they have been given CS citizenship.

Fine than. How will the White Citizens take to their land being given to them?

[Rocano]

The United States Navy wishes to Purchase a small amount of land on the Biscayne Bay for United States Prescence in Trade.

[HUCK]

Fine than. How will the White Citizens take to their land being given to them?

I gave the Indians a SMALL chunk of land. Very few whites lived there. Those whites will be cared for by the goverment till they can get back on their feet.

[Rocano]

I gave the Indians a SMALL chunk of land. Very few whites lived there. Those whites will be cared for by the goverment till they can get back on their feet.

Fine. Than no different to our cession to them in Indian Territory. What is your Response to our Naval Question?

[HUCK]

Fine. Than no different to our cession to them in Indian Territory. What is your Response to our Naval Question?

OOC: I'm incompetant and don't know off the top of my head where biscayne is.

[Rocano]

OOC: I'm incompetant and don't know off the top of my head where biscayne is.

OOC: Miami wasnt built until the late 1900s. Miami is on Biscayne Bay.

[HUCK]

OOC: Miami wasnt built until the late 1900s. Miami is on Biscayne Bay.

How much are offering?

[Rocano]

How much are offering?

Umm im bad with Numbers

5,000 USD for 50 Acres. Which is exchanged to 10,000 CSD.

[HUCK]

Umm im bad with Numbers

5,000 USD for 50 Acres. Which is exchanged to 10,000 CSD.

Afraid that I can't make that deal with you.

[Rocano]

Afraid that I can't make that deal with you.

Fine than. We are also interested in Establishing an ESA or English Speaking Association. With the US, CS and Great Britain. It would be a bloc to help make sure Wars dont happen.

[HUCK]

Fine than. We are also interested in Establishing an ESA or English Speaking Association. With the US, CS and Great Britain. It would be a bloc to help make sure Wars dont happen.

I would be honored to join such an assoctiation.

[Rocano]

I would be honored to join such an assoctiation.

Grand. If we can get the British Involved than we can begin. THe United States Government insists that the First Conference be held in Washington DC.

[HUCK]

Grand. If we can get the British Involved than we can begin. THe United States Government insists that the First Conference be held in Washington DC.

I think that the conference should be held in London. It is the somewhat of the birthplace of our nations.

[Rocano]

I think that the conference should be held in London. It is the somewhat of the birthplace of our nations.

If the British agree that is.

OOC: Just Pmed Demo

[Atreus]

To Mexico:

we would be interesting in waiving your outstanding debt to us in exchange for your allowing France to establish Naval bases in your country.

[baggins]

To all: China announces its victory over and annexation of the Kingdom of Joseon (OOC:Korea) there is still some guerilla activity ongoing, but we hope the problem will be dealt with quickly.

To Russia: You may now take complete control of the agreed territory. We would also like to inform you that our end of the Trans-Asian Railway already streches halfway to Beijing. Has work begun at your end?

[Rocano]

The United States and the Confederate Statse are bginning torwards a more Promising Future. The English Speaking Association has been Formed! Although we a wait the British agreement to enter it will help craete Harmony between all English Speaking Nations.

[HUCK]

There may be harmony between ENGLISH speaking nations, but the Mexicans have cheated us. We demand that the Mexicans give us the land clearly outlined in red or face the consequences. We gave you millions worth in cotton and you gave us nothing in return. Choose your next words wisely.

[Communist Wizard]

The Russian Empire
To China-
Yes, work is going well. We are getting cose to Novosibirsk... And have connected Vladivostok to Hysean, and Khabarovsk.
To CSA-
We believe your claims are rediculous. Please stop threatening the fair Mexican peoples.
News-
A new Order is bing established in Japan. Once backwater, Japan shall now leap into our times, with Russia overseeing. Hokkaido and Sakhalin are being drawn in into the Russian Empire. Activities in the Pacific include establishing a naval base in Hawaii (OOC: Hawaii was 'independent' at the time. Russia did make a trip to the islands, but didn't do much...) and making friends with the Hawaiian peoples. Alaska is being settled. The Tsar sees the Pacific as an Ocean of opportunity.

[HUCK]

To CSA-We believe your claims are rediculous. Please stop threatening the fair Mexican peoples.

Oh and I suppose your imperialistic intentions are fine and dandy.

[Rocano]

The United States Senate has voted to Go to War with Mexico with the CSA if Mexicos Demands are not met.

[HUCK]

The United States Senate has voted to Go to War with Mexico with the CSA if Mexicos Demands are not met.
To The United States of America,
I smell a beutiful relationship coming on between our nations...

[Fenwick]

To: France

Mexico is willing to allow you two naval bases alongside the Gulf of Mexico. You may mark a location and have it leased to you, outside of that region (up to sixty yards) is Mexican. If you need more feel free to pay use for the land.

As we are still making payments to your nation, we feel our offer is more then fair.

To: CSA

If you want our land, feel free to fight for it. I am sure your military is grand, but for some reason we are not at all concerned about the actions of your pitiful national aims. We have forts, and military bases along Texas, and the North. Also fuck you.

[Rocano]

To: France

Mexico is willing to allow you two naval bases alongside the Gulf of Mexico. You may mark a location and have it leased to you, outside of that region (up to sixty yards) is Mexican. If you need more feel free to pay use for the land.

As we are still making payments to your nation, we feel our offer is more then fair.

To: CSA

Fuck you.

Hey buddy that post can be reported and you kicked

[Communist Wizard]

Hey buddy that post can be reported and you kicked
It's... a game. Of course, he should've said it in Spanissh, but whatever. :D

[Fenwick]

Hey buddy that post can be reported and you kicked

I'm aware it's a game, and thought it would be funny. But I changed it so no big deal.

[Rocano]

It's... a game. Of course, he should've said it in Spanissh, but whatever. :D

Yeah but i was kickd for saying that someone was a nerd

[Fenwick]

Yeah but i was kickd for saying that someone was a nerd

Was it part of a game?

[Rocano]

Was it part of a game?

No but even in a game ian dosent perticulary like cursing.

[HUCK]

ooc: ummmm... I don't really care

[Fenwick]

OOC: Also what planet has the USA an ally of the CSA mere months after the American Civil War? If you want to go to war with me, have fun but seriously? The slave holding south, and the Republican north are now the best of friends?

[Rocano]

ooc: ummmm... I don't really care

OOC:Fine than i just thought someone might report the post and get fenwick kicked and we dont want that. Especially with a War around the corner.

In a Second US Senate Meeting President Lincoln overruled the War bill saying that it was to soon for War, although he supports the CS Actions as an ally in the ESA.

[HUCK]

OOC: Also what planet has the USA an ally of the CSA mere months after the American Civil War? If you want to go to war with me, have fun but seriously? The slave holding south, and the Republican north are now the best of friends?

OoC: I got rid of slaves, they are now CS citizens.

[Fenwick]

OoC: I got rid of slaves, they are now CS citizens.

OOC: Once again WTF? How on earth is your nation doing anything when the backbone of its economy now has voting rights? Hell pretty soon Mexico is going to waste its cash and have domestic issues, as it typically does OTL.

[HUCK]

OOC: Once again WTF? How on earth is your nation doing anything when the backbone of its economy now has voting rights? Hell pretty soon Mexico is going to waste its cash and have domestic issues, as it typically does OTL.

OOc: They dont have voting rights, they are just free. I think I just phrased it wrong.

[Rocano]

OOC: Also what planet has the USA an ally of the CSA mere months after the American Civil War? If you want to go to war with me, have fun but seriously? The slave holding south, and the Republican north are now the best of friends?

OOC: To adress Mr.Fenwick, The treaty we agreed upon made the South reliquish Slavery. Also a non-agression Pact was signed. President Lincoln elevated it with the Creation of the English Speaking Association to help brng Peace to the two nations. Also HUCK Fenwicks a bit right I doubht the CSA is ready for War again. I posted your Military Numbers a little bit ago.

[HUCK]

To Mexico,
Fine, give us the land or pay back the money. Take your choice.

[Fenwick]

To Mexico,
Fine, give us the land or pay back the money. Take your choice.

We will do nothing of the kind. Our deal was for us to recognize your nation, and prepare our army to move if you so required. That is what our two independent nations agreed upon, we recognized you, and you did not need our army. The simple fact that your nation agreed upon peace before ou troops could move out beyond the borders does not in any way negate the agreement we made. Your nation cannot create new terms after the fact and expect us to agree. If you believe we acted in poor faith, please set forth proof beyond mere speculation and our nation shall respond to it.

[HUCK]

War with Mexico.

[Fenwick]

OOC: In 1860 the Federal army of Mexico, was made up of four infantry corps, one cavalry regiment, and two artillery regiments, while in truth it was more like 1 1/2 due to the second regiment only using 3-inch ordnance rifles. Each mexican state was to have a militia of 500-1000 troops, and the Rurales gendarmerie numbered 1,700 by 1861. So the Mexican military has the possibility of 72-81,000 standing troops. This seems to be right as French intervention in 1861 Mexico hard around 80,000 troops.

Military moves:
The Mexican Federal army is moving East to the Teaxas border, as it was already in the region following the ACW. The cavalry and Rurales are ordered to move into Texas if time permits and take what supplies they can, and burn down the rest. The army is preparing to mobilize the state militias, as well as have President Benito Juárez call for the national lottery for more soldiers once more.

The plan is to center the Confederates along the few forts bordering Texas then if pushed back force the Confederates into the Chihuahuan Desert while securing the Southern flank along the various mountain range, and hills. If forced into the Deseret great care will be made to secure the towns, as they are the most obvious sources of water.

To: the world
The nation of Mexico is currently at war with the Confederate States of America do to our refusal to give up land that rightfuly belongs to us, and a dispute over a debt the CSA claims we owe them when in truth the facts do not support such a claim.

We shall not give up, if the Confederates want a war they may have one. We look to the United States for help, yet we are doubtful as to such a thing occuring. The nation which claims to want peace, and security in North America seem more then ready to sit beside the CSA and allow this illegal war to occur. So Mexico looks out to the world around us for help. Cannot someone help us return the Confederates to the pen of diplomacy instead of the villianous sword of war?

[HUCK]

Military moves: The Army of West Texas under General Thomas Jackson has moved into Mexican land.

[Fenwick]

Military moves: The Army of West Texas under General Thomas Jackson has moved into Mexican land.

OOC: What is this army made up of? I cannot find any mention of it outside of a Turtledove novel, so a better question should be when was this army made?

[HUCK]

when was this army made?
ooc: when I ran out of ideas:D sumone wanna help?

[Communist Wizard]

The much-enlarged Far East Army is mobilising. The Navy in Hawaii is being upgraded.
To the USA
Why would you support this illegal Confederate war?
You have nothing in this... Your rebels are attacking another country. So what?

[Atreus]

OOC: What is this army made up of? I cannot find any mention of it outside of a Turtledove novel, so a better question should be when was this army made?

OOC: The Confederates never had an army of west texas. They did form an army of New Mexico in late 1861, however. it never exceded 3000 troops, and had a relativly undistinguished record.

[Fenwick]

ooc: when I ran out of ideas:D sumone wanna help?

OOC: We are not having a war until you show me when you created such an army in the west, or atleast what troops are in the area. Cause if all you have in the area is 10,000 troops I'm saying I win right now.

You need to show me what troops you have in the area. Texas was never a major concern in the war and its military might in the region reflected that. If you are moving troops from the East to the west then I have time to prepare, much of what you'll do is marching so I could have up to four months before the bulk of your army and equipment arrive. During which time I will be stock piling supplies, building up my defenses, seeking outside aide, and doing my best to ruin your border towns.

[HUCK]

OOC: The Confederates never had an army of west texas. They did form an army of New Mexico in late 1861, however. it never exceded 3000 troops, and had a relativly undistinguished record.

ooc: I made a mistake! Army of Arkansas?

[Fenwick]

ooc: I made a mistake! Army of Arkansas?

Confederate_army (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confederate_army)

[HUCK]

MILITARY MOVES:
The Army of Mississippi is moving into West Texas. Texas is protected at the moment by the Texas Rangers(ooc:not the baseball team:rolleyes:) . Also, the First Corps. of the Army of Tennessee is on the way to Texas as well.

[Fenwick]

Military moves:
It took almost two weeks before the Army of Mississippi reached the Mexican Texas border. While the Mexicans forces hoped the on coming forces would be tired the truth was the men had been ready for a fight. With 22,000 forces the Army of Mississippi looked utterly frightening to the 11,000 strong Federal Army.

However thanks to the Cavalry, and rapid movement of General Luis Echeverría reinforcments where sent to assist the most likely target Ciudad Juárez, Chihuahua. The battle begin early in the morning with the Confederate army having a clear mastery of the city, however the local garrison at a fort to the west side of Ciudad Juárez was refusing to give up.

General Beauregard had his force attempt to encircle the fort but such an action was ruined with the arrival of 5,000 troops from the South. While for the most part both sides simply moved back and forth over the same stretch of land the Mexicans declared the first day a victory. With 600 Mexican defenders dead, it appeared a draw to Beauregard, but in truth he had 2,000 less soldiers to his force.

The second day Beauregard planned to rush the fort with artillery upon the hill giving him the superior firing position. Sadly for the Confederates during the night the 16,000 defenders had been joined by 3,000 more federal soldiers and 2,000 militia men. The Confederates made two strong waves, each abruptly stopped creating a literal wall of dead. Mexican artillery forced a flanking move back after severe losses. The Rurales caused the superior firing position to be unusable. The worst act was inside of the city itself when two platoons trapt retreating Confederates on a single street, nearly a 1/3 of all deaths had been caused by repeated firing down the narrow streets, and frightened Confederates rushing to escape. When the day ended the Mexicans amazingly had but 900 dead, and the Confederates an overwhelming 6,000 casualties. Thanks in no small part to fighting from fixed position and overwhelming force of arms.

The third and final day General Echeverría had his men rush the remaining forces of the Army of Mississippi. Most of the day seemed to be a battle of movement. Some skirmishes occured but for the most part General Beauregard took his army and retreated. He was wounded in his right calf by a shot from a Rurale, but made it away safely. The Army of Mississippi headed to Austin to regroup having lost 10,000 men, to the Mexican 3,200.

National:
Upon hearing of the victory over the Southern States the Mexican government pushed forward the military lottery selecting seven state to conscript soldiers from. The Federal army decided to change its defensive plans seeing how effective the forts had been and are sending Militia and any new troops to the forts along the Texas-Mexican border while the bulk of troops remain in Chihuahua.

[HUCK]

Military moves:
The first corps of the Army of Tennessee are going fullspeed toward Austin. They are under the command of Gen. Nathan Bedford Forrest.

[Fenwick]

OOC: Sherman's March to the sea was 300 miles and it took his force 38 days going at full speed at 7.8 miles a day. Tennessee is 846 (leaving from Nashville) 648 (Memphis), so that is about 108 and 83 days respectfully till it gets to Austin.

[HUCK]

OOC: Sherman's March to the sea was 300 miles and it took his force 38 days going at full speed at 7.8 miles a day. Tennessee is 846 (leaving from Nashville) 648 (Memphis), so that is about 108 and 83 days respectfully till it gets to Austin.
ooc:did I mention they are going 150 mph?

[Fenwick]

ooc:did I say they are going 150 mph?

OOc: Then Mexico gets an AK-47 from time travelers.

[HUCK]

OOc: Then Mexico gets an AK-47 from time travelers.
ooc::D:D:D:D

[Fenwick]

OOC: Also General Bragg is in charge of the Army of Tennessee, Forrest was a cavalry commander.

[HUCK]

OOC: Also General Bragg is in charge of the Army of Tennessee, Forrest was a cavalry commander.
ooc:It would appear you are correct and that I am stupid...

[Rocano]

The United States Senate has agreed no to support the Confederacy in the War or Mexico. The Union has no quarrel with The CSA or Mexico at this time and sees no need to get involved.

[Oweno]

The Brazilian Empire wishes for the War between the Mexicans and the CSA to stop as this Imperialist War has gone far enough.

[Rocano]

We have also calculated the CS Military at

Army:481,000
Navy:3,000
Marines:600

OOC: Got the numbers from Oweno

These are the Confederate Numbers.

[Fenwick]

The Brazilian Empire wishes for the War between the Mexicans and the CSA to stop as this Imperialist War has gone far enough.

Mexico welcomes the words of Brazil. We have been pulled into this conflict, and shall defend ourselves as needed, yet are willing to return to status quo with the Confederate States of America. As such we invite the United States, Great Britian, France, our any other nation to assist in mediation between our two nations.

[baggins]

The Emperor offers to conduct mediation between the two quarelling nations. China holds no alliances with the CSA or Mexico and will give unbiased views as to what course to take.

OOC: What would mediating involve :confused:. Sorry to ask but you know... I'm a noob :o.

[Fenwick]

The Emperor offers to conduct mediation between the two quarelling nations. China holds no alliances with the CSA or Mexico and will give unbiased views as to what course to take.

OOC: What would mediating involve :confused:. Sorry to ask but you know... I'm a noob :o.

OOC: You act as a third party to oversee talks and try to get peace. But sadly you are China in 1861 so you really have no diplomatic force.

[Oweno]

The Brazilian Empire offers Mediation between Mexico and the Estados Confederate de America.

[Fenwick]

Mexico is willing to accept such an offer after witnessing the horrors of the modern battlefield.

[Oweno]

Mexico is willing to accept such an offer after witnessing the horrors of the modern battlefield.

Good than as long as The ECA agrees.

[Fenwick]

Good than as long as The ECA agrees.

Mexico fears that pride will overpower logic with the CSA. Yet we shall hold out that peace will win out in the end.

[baggins]

China proposes a new alliance of nations that are attempting to modernise and increase their power. This alliance would be known as the League of Modernisation. We would support eachother politically, economically, militarilly and hopefully help eachother gain greater influence on the world stage and become true modern powers.

Any nations interested in joining this League should inform us but we would like to begin by inviting Russia, our recent ally to join this formal alliance.

Once there are a few of us, we can set our goals down more clearly.

OOC: Question to Oweno- Would it be possible for us to claim a second country? There are still a lot of countries with no players and more active countries could make the game more interesting. Its just a thought.

[Atreus]

IC: France is interested in joining this alliance.

OOC: HUCK, remember, you are the csa. The CSSA, had it survived, especially wothout a war, would have followed the grand old 19th century american tradition of turning the army into a small social club. As such, you will have very few troops. Many of those who in OtL distinguished themselves as commanders are not going to be avalible, by the dint of their never having to prove themselves, and doing so. For example, Jackson may be in the army, but he will be fairly low ranked. Same goes for lee, Longstreet, Bragg, Polk, and others. Frankly, your commanders will probably be Johnson, Beuregard, and Edmund Kirby Smith, along with others of that ilk.

[Fenwick]

Diplomacy

Mexico offers the CSA a peace treay calling for the return to status quo.

Military moves

The Mexican state of Chihuahua three weeks since the Battle of Ciudad Juárez now has 55,000 troops. The Federal Army, militia, cavalry, and Rurales are fixed upon the major cities and fortifactions in the region.

In the states south of Texas a mixture of regulars, and militia hold the region. A general order is made to create fortifactions of some kind, mostly they are simple earth works, but most of the cities near Texas now have some form of defense outside of it.

[HUCK]

By popular demand we are prepared to enter peace negotiations.

[Fenwick]

Mexico asks for a return to status quo, an official statement of no outstanding debt to your nation, and a treaty calling for recognition of our current borders.

[HUCK]

Mexico asks for a return to status quo, an official statement of no outstanding debt to your nation, and a treaty calling for recognition of our current borders.

This would be best.

[Fenwick]

We accept these terms.

[Rocano]

Finally the Short War is over

[Fenwick]

Diplomacy
The United States recently mentioned it wishes to create a English Speaking Association to ensure the peace on North America, Mexico feels you are ignoring a 1/3 of North America by not including us in such a group. As such we request that Mexico and, by proxy of naval bases, France be allowed to take part in this group.

Military Moves
In light of the recent war with the CSA mexico is attempting to refine its military planning. Already the assumption is made that French naval ports will ensure the limit of a possible attack from the sea, as such the most likely places occur along the CSA and USA borders respectivly.

The plan calls for a series of large brick forts, perhaps two or three with gun enplacments, to be set between the preexsisting military garrisons around the borders. Each fort will have a 200 man garrison, and as such the military will need to increase by 2,000 men.

The two Mexican rail lines, one to Sonora and the other to Nuevo León, will be used exclusivly by the government for two months for the transport of engineers, and construction equipment.

[baggins]

The United States recently mentioned it wishes to create a English Speaking Association to ensure the peace on North America, Mexico feels you are ignoring a 1/3 of North America by not including us in such a group. As such we request that Mexico and, by proxy of naval bases, France be allowed to take part in this group.

They may have excluded you for the obvious reason, not many in your country speak English.

However, China would like to take this oppurtunity to invite Mexico to join the League of Modernisation (OOC:See post 146). France has already asked to join and we would be happy of another member.

To France: You are more than welcome to join the League.

[Fenwick]

You fail to notice that the Anglo's are excluding a part of the region, and yet at the same time making a call for peace with in said region. Without the full cooperation of all nations of North America peace cannot occur, as the world has recently witnessed with the foolish war of the Confederates.

As for your own group we feel you are simply ignoring what a poor, and unstable country you are. Your group will come to nothing, and your nation will soon fail to the overwhelming force of the European powers. We wish your nation all the luck none the less.

[Communist Wizard]

Russia takes the invitation to join the League.
In light of the Peace:
Military activity has died down in the Pacific, as the peace was concluded. The biggest effect of our mobilisation was on Hawaii, as it was used as a hub for the Navy to transport supplies to Mexico.
Hopefully, this incident has not worsened relations with our friend, the US.
Russia notes to Mexico that it will help China fight any European incursions.
News:
As the railroads reach deeper into Siberia, settlement is going along quite well. To fight the cold, special building techniques will be used.

[Rocano]

Diplomacy
The United States recently mentioned it wishes to create a English Speaking Association to ensure the peace on North America, Mexico feels you are ignoring a 1/3 of North America by not including us in such a group. As such we request that Mexico and, by proxy of naval bases, France be allowed to take part in this group.



The ESA is to create a Peace between the CS US and Britain

[Fenwick]

The ESA is to create a Peace between the CS US and Britain

You say this now. When first offered it was to be a bloc to help make sure wars did not happen. No mention was made that it applied just to the nations who you invited. Mexico finds it somewhat odd that you concern yourself with peace for the nations of North America (USA, CSA, British Canada) yet not include us. As the USA has had a war with each of the nations it borders in the last 60 years is it not the wiser choice to include everyone, and everything that concerns its welfare?

Discussion would have solved the Mexican-Confederate War without the need for arms. By excluding us, you do nothing but enable the US-Mexican border to remain in question. It shall always be in question until you see us as a partner amongst your association to ensure peace.

[Rocano]

You say this now. When first offered it was to be a bloc to help make sure wars did not happen. No mention was made that it applied just to the nations who you invited. Mexico finds it somewhat odd that you concern yourself with peace for the nations of North America (USA, CSA, British Canada) yet not include us. As the USA has had a war with each of the nations it borders in the last 60 years is it not the wiser choice to include everyone, and everything that concerns its welfare?

Discussion would have solved the Mexican-Confederate War without the need for arms. By excluding us, you do nothing but enable the US-Mexican border to remain in question. It shall always be in question until you see us as a partner amongst your association to ensure peace.

The United States Created the ESA to create Harmony for English Speaking Nations. And those only. Now a Greater North American Conference could be called but that is different.

[Oweno]

The Emperor of Brazil invites Leaders or Delegates from Ibero-American Nations to Sao Paulo to discuss Peace in our Reigon.

[HUCK]

The ESA. English Speaking Your nation speaks Spanish.

[Fenwick]

The ESA. English Speaking Your nation speaks Spanish.

Really? How good of you to inform use of this amazing event! You all seem to be fixed upon names, and not the content of this group. You all claim to want peace but in effect are creating a power bloc which is locking out a part of North America. Does the Confederate States really believe that isolating Mexico is any way going to improve our relations after our recent conflict?

Mexico demands the expansion of this group to include all nations of North America. Peace is important, and can only occur through frank and open dialogue between the powers. If Mexico created a group and invited some but not all of you, would you behave in any other way?

[Rocano]

Really? How good of you to inform use of this amazing event! You all seem to be fixed upon names, and not the content of this group. You all claim to want peace but in effect are creating a power bloc which is locking out a part of North America. Does the Confederate States really believe that isolating Mexico is any way going to improve our relations after our recent conflict?

Mexico demands the expansion of this group to include all nations of North America. Peace is important, and can only occur through frank and open dialogue between the powers. If Mexico created a group and invited some but not all of you, would you behave in any other way?

DEMAND! Since when are you in any position to demand anything from the United States? The ESA shall stay as what it was created to do. A Seperate Organization will be established in due time.

[Fenwick]

DEMAND! Since when are you in any position to demand anything from the United States? The ESA shall stay as what it was created to do. A Seperate Organization will be established in due time.

Since we are an independent nation allowed to say as we wish, just as you see it important to keep violent warmongering nations close. America claims it is the defender of democracy when in effect it chooses to do such only when it benefits them. You are allying yourself with a former enemy, and over looking the recent war they stated to satisfy you own needs of peace.

As for a seperate organization Mexico shall not take part in any such thing, either a group is for peace with everyone, or it is for peace with no one.

Political move
Mexico has decided to limit its imports of goods from English speaking nations. We are posititive the French, Brazilians, Russians, and the rest of North, and South America will be more then willing to accept our money.

[Rocano]

Since we are an independent nation allowed to say as we wish, just as you see it important to keep violent warmongering nations close. America claims it is the defender of democracy when in effect it chooses to do such only when it benefits them. You are allying yourself with a former enemy, and over looking the recent war they stated to satisfy you own needs of peace.

As for a seperate organization Mexico shall not take part in any such thing, either a group is for peace with everyone, or it is for peace with no one.

Political move
Mexico has decided to limit its imports of goods from English speaking nations. We are posititive the French, Brazilians, Russians, and the rest of North, and South America will be more then willing to accept our money.

OOC: The ESA is like the Community of Portugese Language Nations for God sakes. Its supposed to create a harmony between English Speaking Nations.

[Fenwick]

OOC: The ESA is like the Community of Portugese Language Nations for God sakes. Its supposed to create a harmony between English Speaking Nations.

OOC: I understand that. You need to understand however that the three largest powers in North America, two of which have gone to war with Mexico in the alst 20 years, are appearing to circle the wagons around each other.

Benito Juárez was a President consumed with trying to get Mexico to the forefront of diplomacy, as well as ensure peace by the same means. "Among individuals, as among nations, respect for the rights of others is peace," was a qoute of his. I am sure he would take offense, as well as be somewhat leery of a group meant to ensure peace, not being allowed for everyone.

[Oweno]

Brazil would like to call together a Conference to discuss Peace in North and South America.

[HUCK]

Benito Juárez was a President consumed with trying to get Mexico to the forefront of diplomacy, as well as ensure peace by the same means. "Among individuals, as among nations, respect for the rights of others is peace," was a qoute of his. I am sure he would take offense, as well as be somewhat leery of a group meant to ensure peace, not being allowed for everyone.

Why do you take offense to this? Your nation speaks Spanish.

[Fenwick]

Why do you take offense to this? Your nation speaks Spanish.

OOC:Guys its cause you are excluding all the world in your group. If it was just a treaty that would be one thing, but in this case it is an international organization. Mexico would be worried if three powerful nations each bordering it all deciding to work together. By simply saying it is cause Mexico speaks Spanish is not an argument of why we cannot join an organization promoting peace. If sounds like the Anglo-saxons are banding together.

[HUCK]

OOC:Guys its cause you are excluding all the world in your group. The offense comes from three powerful nations each bordering on Mexico all deciding to work together. By simply saying it is cause Mexico speaks Spanish is not an argument why we cannot join an organization promoting peace.
We demand that Mexico get over it.

[Fenwick]

We demand that Mexico get over it.

OOC: I'm playing the game guys. If you don't like it just stop responding. But this is how I believe my country would play out, so I'm going to keep doing what I'm doing.

[HUCK]

OOC: I'm playing the game guys. If you don't like it just stop responding. But this is how I believe my country would play out, so I'm going to keep doing what I'm doing.
ooc: I forgot to put ooc..

IC: I think we can make a seperate orginization. Maybe North American Peace Orginization. NAPO! (ooc::D)

[Fenwick]

ooc: I forgot to put ooc..

IC: I think we can make a seperate orginization. Maybe North American Peace Orginization. NAPO! (ooc::D)

If you agree the need for a seperate organization, they why not cut out the middle man and simply allow us into the pre-exsisting one? The United States says another similar group will come along, but once again why wait? Would it not be easier to simply change the name of the ESA?

[HUCK]

If you agree the need for a seperate organization, they why not cut out the middle man and simply allow us into the pre-exsisting one? The United States says another similar group will come along, but once again why wait? Would it not be easier to simply change the name of the ESA?
Everytime we argue, we increase tension. Please wait for NAPO.

[Fenwick]

Everytime we argue, we increase tension. Please wait for NAPO.

Our recent statement was not an arugement. It was simply a question. Once again, if USA, CSA, and Mexico agree the need for a group to push for peace with in North America why not have it be the here, instead of later?

[HUCK]

Our recent statement was not an arugement. It was simply a question. Once again, if USA, CSA, and Mexico agree the need for a group to push for peace with in North America why not have it be the here, instead of later?
No offense Mexico, but it's like pulling teeth with you.

[Fenwick]

No offense Mexico, but it's like pulling teeth with you.

You mean it is an uncomfortable yet vital thing to ensure ones health and welfare?

[HUCK]

You mean it is an uncomfortable yet vital thing to ensure ones health and welfare?

No, I mean it hurts and bleeds and then leaves a bitter taste.

[Fenwick]

No, I mean it hurts and bleeds and then leaves a bitter taste.

But does one not pull teeth in order to do away with pain? As your very own fight for independence has shown you in order to have peace and stability one must go through some discomfort.

[HUCK]

But does one not pull teeth in order to do away with pain? As your very own fight for independence has shown you in order to have peace and stability one must go through some discomfort.

You took it way to literelly.

[Fenwick]

You took it way to literelly.

Or perhaps you do not fully comprehend the things you say.

OOC: Just letting you know it's best to simply ignore me.

[HUCK]

Or perhaps you do not fully comprehend the things you say.

OOC: Just letting you know it's best to simply ignore me.

ooc:NAPO, coming to a North America near you.

[HUCK]

Regardless Mexico, it is the ESA now and I highly doubt its members shall change soon.

[Shurik]

Austria-Hungary has just emerged from a vast modernization of it's military, modeling it after the highly effective Prussian-German system. Totaling: 400,000 regular troops and NCO's, 25,000 officers with nearly 1500 artillery pieces and 80,000 cavalry. Together with Germany and Prussia, we are announcing the movement of troops into Western Russia,. With a combined force of nearly 800,000 troops, over 3000 artillery pieces and over 140,000 cavalry, the offense has two thrusts.


The Southern A-H offensive thrust contains 300,000 troops, 1200 artillery pieces, and 60,000 Dragoons. They have moved out of the south of A-H and are storming across Western Ukraine, headed for Kiev.


In the North, the Prussian Offensive consists of 500,000 troops, nearly 2000 artillery pieces, and close to 80,000 Dragoons. They have crossed the border into Poland, and are headed for Riga.

[Communist Wizard]

Austria-Hungary has just emerged from a vast modernization of it's military, modeling it after the highly effective Prussian-German system. Totaling: 400,000 regular troops and NCO's, 25,000 officers with nearly 1500 artillery pieces and 80,000 cavalry. Together with Germany and Prussia, we are announcing the movement of troops into Western Russia,. With a combined force of nearly 800,000 troops, over 3000 artillery pieces and over 140,000 cavalry, the offense has two thrusts.


The Southern A-H offensive thrust contains 300,000 troops, 1200 artillery pieces, and 60,000 Dragoons. They have moved out of the south of A-H and are storming across Western Ukraine, headed for Kiev.


In the North, the Prussian Offensive consists of 500,000 troops, nearly 2000 artillery pieces, and close to 80,000 Dragoons. They have crossed the border into Poland, and are headed for Riga.
OOC: Was this... approved?

[Oweno]

OOC: Was this... approved?

OOC: I said they could invade and make some progress. But i dont know about the troop count.

[Shurik]

OOC: I said they could invade and make some progress. But i dont know about the troop count.
OOC: My understanding was that you were aware, I'll forward back the PM with the same number. If you still have it, check under your "sent messages" for yesterday at 9:14 PM.

EDIT:
K, I forwarded the PM, so sorry if I botched something...:(

[Oweno]

OOC: My understanding was that you were aware, I'll forward back the PM with the same number. If you still have it, check under your "sent messages" for yesterday at 9:14 PM.

ooc: under further inspection i approve this.

[HUCK]

ooc: i confused, did A-H invade Russia?

[Oweno]

ooc: i confused, did A-H invade Russia?

OOC:Yes, under my approval

[Shurik]

ooc: i confused, did A-H invade Russia?
Yup, here you go:
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2001/2239522371_1aa2c5db7f_o.png

[Communist Wizard]

OOC: That speed is way too fast, gus. It's not even 1914, yet you still managed to get to Kiev faster than the German Army 1941. :rolleyes:

[Shurik]

OOC: That speed is way too fast, gus. It's not even 1914, yet you still managed to get to Kiev faster than the German Army 1941. :rolleyes:
I haven't gotten to Kiev yet, just showing the direction of the offenses.

[Shurik]

Is there any hope for this game left?

[Rocano]

Is there any hope for this game left?

I hope so, now that it looks like NING is ending. Could you guy's like Advertise this?

[Communist Wizard]

I hope so, now that it looks like NING is ending. Could you guy's like Advertise this?
Sorry, we've got a 1920 game ready...

[Rocano]

Sorry, we've got a 1920 game ready...

yeah i know im gonna play that too. but thats on a waiting list right now.

[baggins]

I hope so, now that it looks like NING is ending. Could you guy's like Advertise this?

I am!!!:D:D:D

(Look at the sig)

[Shurik]

Can't we keep it going here?

[HUCK]

CSA supports Austria-Hungary in their war against imperialistic Russia.

[Shurik]

CSA supports Austria-Hungary in their war against imperialistic Russia.

The support is appreciated!
Your agricultural products would be of great benefit to our war effort. Following the conflict, I think we can be of great assistance in the industrialization of your economy, should you wish.

[HUCK]

Industry? We think this will help both of our nations.

[Shurik]

Industry? We think this will help both of our nations.
Excellent! So in exchange for food for our military, we will assist in the industrialization of your Nation. If you wish, with your shipments of food, send over some engineers and we would be more than willing to give a tour of our extensive rail network and the benefits it holds for our economy.

[Rocano]

CSA supports Austria-Hungary in their war against imperialistic Russia.

To our Ally in the ESA: The US is a Supporter of Russia and will support there actions. Also we would have helped you Industrialize your Nation.

[HUCK]

We seem to be at an impass. The CSA personally dislikes Russia's imperialistic ideals. Perhaps it is time for an ESA meeting?

[Shurik]

To our Ally in the ESA: The US is a Supporter of Russia and will support there actions. Also we would have helped you Industrialize your Nation.

We seem to be at an impass. The CSA personally dislikes Russia's imperialistic ideals. Perhaps it is time for an ESA meeting?

In all honesty, support from two nations is better than one. If this can help you resolve differences, so much the better.

We have (I believe) a deal already arranged with the CSA.

To the US:
It is true that you already are very industrialized (not to the degree of A-H I believe...:o) but we can offer you our financial expertise. Were you to assist us in supplying arms, we could help your nation build a financial system to compete even with that of London. Our branches in Switzerland have a great deal of experience with banking and investing...:D

[HUCK]

In all honesty, support from two nations is better than one. If this can help you resolve differences, so much the better.

We have (I believe) a deal already arranged with the CSA.

To the US:
It is true that you already are very industrialized (not to the degree of A-H I believe...:o) but we can offer you our financial expertise. Were you to assist us in supplying arms, we could help your nation build a financial system to compete even with that of London. Our branches in Switzerland have a great deal of experience with banking and investing...:D
I would love to make deals with you. But, on the other hand, I don't want to anger the nation in the north.

[Shurik]

I would love to make deals with you. But, on the other hand, I don't want to anger the nation in the north.

Perhaps they should be more concerned about angering you? :cool:

OOC: Only slightly irrelevant... Wasn't the US historically closer with the Germanic Nations than the CSA?

TOP SECRET COMMUNICATION (meaning the US doesn't know about it:D):

To the CSA:
Since when does the US tell you who you can/cannot do business with? Didn't you win the last war? Aren't you independent?
Besides, I'm sure they don't check the final destination of your exports. And what could they say to a number of Austro-Hungarian "Tourists" traveling to "visit" your country?

[Shurik]

Well, it's been over a month since the invasion, am I being overly optimistic about this much progress, considering no defense has been raised?

Minsk is still holding out, Riga had been reached, and Kiev is just on the horizon.

[HUCK]

The first meeting between the ESA has begun.

[Communist Wizard]

I bow out of this game. I'm not playing where two nations randomly attack me unrealistically. :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

[HUCK]

I bow out of this game. I'm not playing where two nations randomly attack me unrealistically. :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:
ooc: Thats half the fun!

[Oweno]

OOC:Im going to be Prussia now, becuase Brazil is boring frankly.

Prussia has stopped its Offensive into Russia. It will keep troops in Poland and has declared the Kingdom of Poland with its capital in Warsaw.

[Shurik]

I bow out of this game. I'm not playing where two nations randomly attack me unrealistically. :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

Well, I did ask if this was overly optimistic...

Would you have given the land had I asked?

[Oweno]

Wilhem the First has been declared Emperor of the Prussian Empire which now rules over Prussia and Poland.

[Shurik]

The Russian military, devastated by the Crimean war only a few years earlier, and being primarily located in the far east of the country is unable to put up significant resistance as the Austro-Hungarian Military sweeps east and besieges Kiev.

[baggins]

I'm leaving this game now. Not much seems to be happening and my closest ally (Russia AKA ComWiz) has left anyway.

[Rocano]

lets just close the game. It was interesting while it lasted.

[Fenwick]

I say close it. I won a war, and that's all that matters.

[HUCK]

jerk:rolleyes:

[Fenwick]

jerk:rolleyes:

Who invaded who there hippie?

[HUCK]

Who invaded who there hippie?
Please don't ever call me hippie. Thank you.

[Fenwick]

Please don't ever call me hippie. Thank you.

Oh hippie.... hippie.

[HUCK]

Oh hippie.... hippie.
I'm serious, please stop.

[HUCK]

I miss this game. I liked it. Someone call 911! We need to revive it!

[baggins]

I'd support a revival.

[HUCK]

REVIVEREVIVEREVIVE!!!!!!

[Keenir]

jerk:rolleyes:

what is this thread?

[HUCK]

what is this thread?
It was once a game. However, Oweno and Rocano were banned and the game died a slow and horrible death. I was the CSA.

[HUCK]

Should we just restart?

[baggins]

If we can get enough people onboard.

[HUCK]

We have to make it again.