200 Year ISOT

[tom]

AAt the moment this post is posted, all the US states which were in the Union 200 years ago this minute ISOT back those 200 years.
What now?

[DominusNovus]

With Maine and West Virginia, states that were both carved out of other states less than two hundred years ago, what happens?

[tom]

hhhhhhhhhmmmmmmmm...
Since they were both part of the "Union" 200 years ago, they ISOT.

[Brilliantlight]

AAt the moment this post is posted, all the US states which were in the Union 200 years ago this minute ISOT back those 200 years.
What now?

The US might conquer the World and at the very scares the hell out of everybody.

[Othniel]

I get left behind! No take me to our glorius conquering of Western, Eastern, and Russian Europe.

That and a good portion of our Nuclear arsenal isn't there because It's all out west. Further more the Western territories would be awed. I don't even remeber if we had made the Loiusanne Purchase before 1804, much less the war with Mexico....Oregon wasn't happening yet either.

[Brilliantlight]

I get left behind! No take me to our glorius conquering of Western, Eastern, and Russian Europe.

That and a good portion of our Nuclear arsenal isn't there because It's all out west. Further more the Western territories would be awed. I don't even remeber if we had made the Loiusanne Purchase before 1804, much less the war with Mexico....Oregon wasn't happening yet either.

Do you really think the US would need a nuclear arsenal to beat 19th century armies? What the hell could they do against an F-15 or a M1 tank or even a M2 AFV? Hell a squad of M-16 carrying infantry could probably beat an entire company of 19th Musket carrying infantry men.

[Othniel]

I'm just saying that they just wouldn't have it. We would have the home of the infantry, two airborne Squads, little artillary though (that's in Oklahoma), Tanks would be nice but questionable if they are there or not. It mostly depends on if Kentucky is a state.

[Brilliantlight]

I'm just saying that they just wouldn't have it. We would have the home of the infantry, two airborne Squads, little artillary though (that's in Oklahoma), Tanks would be nice but questionable if they are there or not. It mostly depends on if Kentucky is a state.

We have a navy now that is unbeatable, 200 years ago it really would have been sick. One modern frigate could easily defeat Britian's combined fleet and Norfolk, Virginia was part of the United States 200 years ago and it is a major naval base. I am sure there are lots of tanks and artillary scattered that entire area. Isn't Fort Knox the headquarters for armor training besides being where the US keeps a lot of its gold? In any case modern infantry would chew up the most elite infantry units of the 19th century with little effort.

[Othniel]

When did Kentucky become a state though?

[tom]

Kentucky 1792 15th state.

[Othniel]

The Unitied State has just become the richest nation there is with fort knox there. Thus we buy most of the world. Every body is happy under this Utopia.

[Thande]

What have you been smoking, man? :confused:

[Othniel]

With that gold Europe wouldn't feel the need to be so expansive...after all that's why they were in *some* misrable places. The US meanwhile has the library of congress in which probably has every major mine in their map archieves. The US would ultimately grow in wealth ten to twenty times more than they are now. Also with medicines avalible they'd be able to solve many prevallant dieases in that day.

[Thande]

Sounds like a dystopia to me...

[Brilliantlight]

Sounds like a dystopia to me...

The standard of living and life expectancy will go way up in this TL as compared to ours.

[Thande]

What does that have to do with anything? :confused:

[Brilliantlight]

What does that have to do with anything? :confused:

It means it would be far from the worst of worlds. The standard of living and life expectancy would go way up, slavery would be as dead as a doornail in no time, the then powerful European monarchies would suddenly be seen as backwards. IOW any modern Western state would be a vast improvement for the World 200 years ago.

[Thande]

It's only an improvement if it's your uptime country doing the "modernising". I think the worm would be on the other foot if it was Britain/Europe/wherever sent back in time and 'liberating' the USA from its 'outmoded policies' such as slavery.

Furthermore slavery was already banned in Britain by this time, though admittedly not throughout the Empire or in some other European countries.

[NHBL]

... good portion of our Nuclear arsenal isn't there because It's all out west. Further more the Western territories would be awed. I don't even remeber if we had made the Loiusanne Purchase before 1804, much less the war with Mexico....Oregon wasn't happening yet either.

As if the nukes are needed... There will likely be some nukes--airbases, Balistic Missile Subs arriving for overhaul, and all that.
Any nuclear powered vessel will be priceless--the oil fueled ships are limited range, while the nukes can maintain cross ocean diplomacy--especially the early stages, where the US needs to show the world what they've got.

[Brilliantlight]

It's only an improvement if it's your uptime country doing the "modernising". I think the worm would be on the other foot if it was Britain/Europe/wherever sent back in time and 'liberating' the USA from its 'outmoded policies' such as slavery.



Not really, modern Europe is far superior then 19th century USA. It would ban slavery , the people would live considerably longer and their PCI would soar. What would be the downside?

[Thande]

Well, in that case America would never dominate the world.

If it was the other way around as in the original purpose to this thread, the European countries would never dominate the world.

If you can honestly say that (the first one) doesn't matter to you, then we are on different wavelengths.

[Brilliantlight]

Well, in that case America would never dominate the world.

If it was the other way around as in the original purpose to this thread, the European countries would never dominate the world.

If you can honestly say that (the first one) doesn't matter to you, then we are on different wavelengths.

The World would have been better off if the tech we have now was available 200 years ago even if it came at a price of EU or American domination. After all neither the EU or the US is likely to suddenly do things that are more oppressive then what was common in the early 19th century.

[Thande]

In that case maybe it's just that I don't like the idea of contaminating history.