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DMA
November 17th, 2007, 03:18 AM
Considering the current trend of relocating the Confederate Capital should this, that, or something happen, how about a Union thread for a change of pace?

So what if the slave owning state of Maryland, which was supposed to be "neutral" in the OTL, actually seceded from the Union & forced the removal, even if temporary, of the Federal capital from Washington DC to somewhere else?

So where is this somewhere else & why?

Discuss.

GBW
November 17th, 2007, 03:22 AM
Perhaps Philadelphia? Lincoln's policies weren't the most popular in NYC, and some might consider Boston too far north. Anything further west probably wouldn't work at that point.

JEDCJT
November 17th, 2007, 03:49 AM
Philadelphia, probably.

Canis Lupus
November 17th, 2007, 04:31 AM
Philly is most likely, but I could see boston as a "The Revolution was born here so lets put the capital of the nation that came out of that here" kind of thing
I've allways liked the idea of Chicago, Minneapolis, or Denver; they are all too far north(except for maybe chi-town) for the CSA to ever got to them with a army, even in the most virulent CSA-wank.
Maybe even San Fran?

DMA
November 17th, 2007, 05:24 AM
Philly may sound nice, but would all the Northern states actually agree with this? Like NY may demand it's, well, NYC...

Likewise Boston may well be a front runner...

How about Chicago?

Or somewhere out of the way of possible Reb raids or even major offensives?

Jaded_Railman
November 17th, 2007, 05:36 AM
Well, Philly was the capital before DC got built, so it makes plenty of sense.

Analytical Engine
November 17th, 2007, 10:27 AM
Well, Philly was the capital before DC got built, so it makes plenty of sense.

But so was New York... and several other places... :p

GBW
November 17th, 2007, 10:32 AM
Philly may sound nice, but would all the Northern states actually agree with this? Like NY may demand it's, well, NYC...

Likewise Boston may well be a front runner...

How about Chicago?

Or somewhere out of the way of possible Reb raids or even major offensives?
NYC would be too hostile to Lincoln for it to become the capital, I'd think. And Boston would make the Union effort look too abolitionist. Chicago isn't much of anything at that point, really.

How about Binghamton, New York? It was an industrial town, lies on the Susquehanna River, and is far enough north to avoid any attacks by the South.

GBW
November 17th, 2007, 09:26 PM
D'you mean to tell me I killed this? :eek: :rolleyes:

DMA
November 17th, 2007, 09:31 PM
D'you mean to tell me I killed this? :eek: :rolleyes:


Those springfield rifles are pretty good ;)

GBW
November 17th, 2007, 09:33 PM
Those springfield rifles are pretty good ;)

But I was aiming for the Pagan Spain one... :( ;) :D

DMA
November 17th, 2007, 09:35 PM
But I was aiming for the Pagan Spain one... :( ;) :D


You're not into sacrificed goats & dancing naked around the fire? :confused:

GBW
November 17th, 2007, 09:37 PM
You're not into sacrificed goats & dancing naked around the fire? :confused:
Depends how the goat's cooked afterward and who else is dancing. ;)

M79
November 17th, 2007, 09:39 PM
I think Chicago would be the best bet. There is rail access back East, the major cities would not have to worry about rivalry for the capital, and it's closer to the developing West. It is also about as far from the Atlantic as they could comfortably get in those days, and the risk of Confederate attacks would be minimal.

DMA
November 17th, 2007, 09:41 PM
Depends how the goat's cooked afterward and who else is dancing. ;)


So true... especially the dancing part :D

~The Doctor~
November 18th, 2007, 07:02 AM
I think Philadelphia's the most likely, but I don't see Maryland remaining in the CSA for long...:cool:

I've allways liked the idea of Chicago, Minneapolis, or Denver; they are all too far north(except for maybe chi-town) for the CSA to ever got to them with a army, even in the most virulent CSA-wank. Maybe even San Fran?

No. Just no. Denver was founded two years before the ACW, they're not suddenly going to make it the US capital.

Wendell
November 19th, 2007, 05:05 AM
Trenton, New Jersey, or, depending on when Maryland goes, Wheeling, West Virginia.

Hannibal.Caesar
November 19th, 2007, 02:57 PM
Trenton, New Jersey, or, depending on when Maryland goes, Wheeling, West Virginia.

Why in the heck would the capital be moved to Wheeling or Trenton? I could maybe see Trenton as a far, far off bet, but Wheeling is miles out in left field. As far as I can see it, the only practical choices would be Boston, Philadelphia, NYC, and maybe Chicago. However, Philadelphia would be the best choice, I think, for the reasons already explained on the thread.

Dave Howery
November 19th, 2007, 03:25 PM
Philadelphia, briefly. I'm guessing the Union would occupy MD pretty quick...

M79
November 19th, 2007, 11:27 PM
Maryland leaving would put Rebel soil withing striking distance of the capital, and if any notable fraction of the Marylanders follow the state government then there will be partisan activity. How long will Baltimore hold out? How many troops are used up holding the state?

ZaphodBeeblebrox
November 20th, 2007, 01:18 AM
Maryland leaving would put Rebel soil withing striking distance of the capital, and if any notable fraction of the Marylanders follow the state government then there will be partisan activity. How long will Baltimore hold out? How many troops are used up holding the state?
Baltimore Holding Out isn't The Problem ...

Baltimore Tearing itself Apart, Now THAT'S The Problem ...

How Long Before One Side or The Other Reinforces its Allies within The City, And Which One is it?

:eek:

Wendell
November 29th, 2007, 07:52 PM
Why in the heck would the capital be moved to Wheeling or Trenton? I could maybe see Trenton as a far, far off bet, but Wheeling is miles out in left field. As far as I can see it, the only practical choices would be Boston, Philadelphia, NYC, and maybe Chicago. However, Philadelphia would be the best choice, I think, for the reasons already explained on the thread.

Wheeling is closer to the East Coast than Chicago. Also, unlike Chicago, it is closer to the action at hand.