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Thande
November 16th, 2007, 11:46 PM
AKA American Civil War Thread #235347124785.

Just a thought that occurred to me earlier...DMA posted a thread recently about alternative Confederate capitals, and we've also discussed the idea that Virginia might either side with the Union or declare neutrality as Kentucky did in OTL. If either of these situations happens, what would be used as the Confederate capital?

Rocano
November 16th, 2007, 11:58 PM
I have always liked the Idea of Austin its far off from the Front and is a Quiet area

Oweno
November 17th, 2007, 12:21 AM
how about Tallahassee?

Johnrankins
November 17th, 2007, 12:52 AM
Atlanta would be my guess. It is in the heart of the Confederacy and it is one of the largest Southern cities. It doesn't matter much because if Virginia is not in the Confederacy it probably doesn't last long.

Canis Lupus
November 17th, 2007, 01:16 AM
Atlanta, even if VA does seceede makes more sense, IE: doesnt make the 80-mile corridor between DC and Richmond the main theatre of war, and uselessly tying down a very large army that can be used better elsewhere.

violadog
November 17th, 2007, 01:23 AM
Wouldn't the Confederate capital stay in Montgomery, after all it was already there anyway.

Canis Lupus
November 17th, 2007, 01:58 AM
Wouldn't the Confederate capital stay in Montgomery, after all it was already there anyway.
Montgomery's too small.

Kidblast
November 17th, 2007, 02:08 AM
So was Washington in 1800. :rolleyes:

Nytram01
November 17th, 2007, 02:19 AM
What about Columbia, South Carolina?

Paul Spring
November 17th, 2007, 02:24 AM
Atlanta or New Orleans would be good locations, but it might stay in Montgomery out of inertia.

Iñaki
November 17th, 2007, 02:27 AM
Atlanta would be the more logical solution.

In fact a veteran AH Story about a Southern victory in the Civil War written by Carole Scott in 1997 say:

"
Because adequate accommodations were not available in Montgomery, in the Confederacy talk of establishing a permanent capital elsewhere began almost immediately. Selected by President Cobb to fill a post we would today label Chief of Staff was General Joseph E. Johnston, and he, along with several others, including Senator Judah P. Benjamin, who were possessed of influence with him, advocated that the capital be relocated in Atlanta, Georgia, a city far more defensible than, say, such vastly larger cities as Baltimore, New Orleans, and Richmond; yet better able to meet the needs of government than tiny Montgomery. Therefore, when the Confederacy was only four months old, its capital was transferred to this modest-sized, but rapidly-growing rail hub located deep in the heart the Confederacy's bread basket. [Thus did the forecast the late John C. Calhoun had made when it was but a tiny rail junction that, because of its temperate climate and location, Atlanta would someday become a great metropolis, begin to come to fruition.

Cities such as New Orleans and Richmond were like spiders sitting on the edge of their webs, while Atlanta was like a spider sitting in the center of its web. A further advantage of this often criticized selection was neutralizing the Confederacy's most obstreperous governor, Joseph Emmerson Brown, who threatened to become a real thorn in President Cobb's side. Putting the seat of the National Government in his State reduced his power to little more than that of a caretaker. Although he objected to sending Georgia troops and Georgia equipment, such as railroad engines, out of the State, he was unable to hinder either action. Perhaps, more than anywhere else, Atlanta's selection was applauded in tiny Milledgeville, Georgia, because making Atlanta the nation's capital appeared to doom the movement to transfer the State's capital there.]"

link to this interesting AH story (an also as you will see a similar although different civil war -Lincoln death in an accident, Jefferson Davis is not chosen president, instead of this is Howell Cobb, etc-) http://members.tripod.com/~car0lesc0tt/clopton.html

Carole also has an interesting page with short but interesting biographies of politicians, generals and antoher important southern people of the XIX century.

http://members.tripod.com/~car0lesc0tt/figures.htm

Canis Lupus
November 17th, 2007, 02:29 AM
So was Washington in 1800. :rolleyes:
But DC was purpose built as a capital,Montgomery wasnt.
Hmmm, intresting idea here, WI, After the CSA wins the ACW(dont ask how, its not central to the TL) They select an empty area and build a capital city from scratch, like the US did with DC?


This will have its own thread.

Rocano
November 17th, 2007, 02:57 AM
But DC was purpose built as a capital,Montgomery wasnt.
Hmmm, intresting idea here, WI, After the CSA wins the ACW(dont ask how, its not central to the TL) They select an empty area and build a capital city from scratch, like the US did with DC?


This will have its own thread.


How about Biscayne Bay

Canis Lupus
November 17th, 2007, 02:59 AM
How about Biscayne Bay
?:confused:
Are you serrious?
:rolleyes:

Rocano
November 17th, 2007, 03:04 AM
Yeah I am. Miami had not been built yet. If the Confeerates had won the war and were building a new capital Biscayne would be good. Or the site of Modern Orlando

Hapsburg
November 17th, 2007, 03:05 AM
Some place deep in their homeland, deep enough that capturing it would be hellish, rough, and bloody enough to make the enemy want to turn back.
Richmond took five years to get, but it was relatively close to Washington.

A place deeper in Confederate territory would be more difficult to get to, and more hard-fought to keep safe.

Atlanta has the size, resources, and the location to make itself a good socio-political and economic centre of the Confederate States of America.

Rocano
November 17th, 2007, 03:19 AM
Knoxville. Because Knoxville is surrounded by Mountains right? So antural defenses

Anaxagoras
November 17th, 2007, 04:52 AM
I have always liked the Idea of Austin its far off from the Front and is a Quiet area

Let's hope Jefferson Davis liked live performances of great alternative rock music.

JEDCJT
November 17th, 2007, 04:55 AM
The capital would probably remain Montgomery, Alabama. It WAS the first capital, after all... But perhaps Charleston, South Carolina, would be made capital to honor the first state to secede from the Union that prompted the formation of the Confederacy in the first place? That, and Atlanta, Georgia, shouldn't be a bad choice too. ;)

Rocano
November 17th, 2007, 03:03 PM
how about this become the CS Capital is Atlanta thread cause every one here loves it so much

OOC: Just Pissed not about this though

M79
November 17th, 2007, 10:56 PM
The best bets would probably be Tupelo MS, Chattenooga TN, Atlanta, Knoxville TN, and Asheville NC. Very defensible, not near any Union borders, and in commercially important areas.

Fiver
November 19th, 2007, 05:42 AM
In OTL the Confederacy didn't seem to care about defensible, or nearness to Union borders. Commercially important did matter, though, the Tredegar Iron Works was one reason Richmond became the Confederate capitol.

Without Virginia, the largest population Confederate cities would be New Orleans, Charleston, Mobile, Memphis, and Savannah. I’m not sure which had the most manufacturing.

And has been pointed out, simple inertia might keep it in Montgomery.

Wendell
November 19th, 2007, 05:48 AM
Vicksburg.

Othniel
November 20th, 2007, 01:49 AM
Montegomery was chosen because its centralised location among the 1st tier of seceeding states. If the Northern Tier doesn't seceed, following the example of Virgina, than Montegomery is a logical location. Otherwise we'd have to be looking at what made Richmond so attractive to the Confederacy and see if those reasons can apply to other cities, or if those reasons apply anymore.

Douglas
November 20th, 2007, 02:16 AM
Montgomery seems logical, as it was the first.

If you think Montgomery is too small, don't get all excited about Atlanta: it has 2000 fewer people than Atlanta. :rolleyes: