Future history Canada joins the Union

[Derek Jackson]

WI the pattern of a sharp "red", "Blue" state division carries on. Democrats narrowly win a Federal election

Canadians are so scared of a return to far right rule that they join the Union.

My guess is that in most Canadian provinces Republicans would not be competitive

[Brilliantlight]

WI the pattern of a sharp "red", "Blue" state division carries on. Democrats narrowly win a Federal election

Canadians are so scared of a return to far right rule that they join the Union.

My guess is that in most Canadian provinces Republicans would not be competitive

I think the chances of Canada joining the union is laughable.

[David S Poepoe]

Future History of Canada joining the Union imperfect. What's in it for the Canadians? Why would they do something so stupid?

[Tyr]

None of the former British empire will ever join the US if it remains the US.
A future history where the other anglo-saxon countries and the US go and form a new nation maybe but out and out Canada just joining the US is less likely then Brazil rejoining Portugal.

[unsunghero]

WI the pattern of a sharp "red", "Blue" state division carries on. Democrats narrowly win a Federal election

Canadians are so scared of a return to far right rule that they join the Union.

My guess is that in most Canadian provinces Republicans would not be competitive

Why would Canada arbitrarily decide to 'enter the union'? If you have been watching the news lately, you will see that many of us don't really agree with your country's foreign policy, and furthermore are 'just a little bit' mad about how the Free Trade Act is being 'interpreted'. Not very good reasons for Canada to join - we would get nothing out of it, and our concerns ignored. Further, it's more profitable for your country to leave us alone and simply continue using us as a market for American goods.

[Brilliantlight]

Why would Canada arbitrarily decide to 'enter the union'? If you have been watching the news lately, you will see that many of us don't really agree with your country's foreign policy, and furthermore are 'just a little bit' mad about how the Free Trade Act is being 'interpreted'. Not very good reasons for Canada to join - we would get nothing out of it, and our concerns ignored. Further, it's more profitable for your country to leave us alone and simply continue using us as a market for American goods.


His wildly off theory is that Canada would join to stop the right wing from doing certain things. One problem is there aren't enough Canadians to do that.

[Farnham]

I understand left-wingers and right-wingers don't really like each other, but I think New England and the Pacific Northwest would secede and join Canada before Canada would up and join the U.S.
And I don't think that's very likely either.

[NED KELLY]

Here is another slant on the story

On an official visit to Canada a heated debate over who shot down the Red Barron develops between the Prime ministers of Australia and Canada, that leads to the Australian prime minister punching out the Canadian prime minister and eventually killing him as the canadian prime minister is rushed to hospital in a coma and dies shortly after arrival of a blood clot to the brain.

Then the Australian prime minister is placed under arrest and charged with murder.

An ultimatum is issued to the Canucks to release the the Aussie PM within 24 hours so he can return to Australia.

The Cannucks refuse

Australia then invades Canada most canadians are so happy they are being invaded by Australia they hardly fight back within 12 months Canada
is one of the first countries to fall and become part of new Australian Empire

[LorienTheYounger]

Gah! Thread necromancy! And a bloody stupid one at that!

[lichtbringer]

WI the pattern of a sharp "red", "Blue" state division carries on. Democrats narrowly win a Federal election

Canadians are so scared of a return to far right rule that they join the Union.

My guess is that in most Canadian provinces Republicans would not be competitive
Which Union? The EU? The AU? The USA? :D

[Longinus]

Which Union? The EU? The AU? The USA? :D

Well, Canadians certainly have more in common with Europeans than with Americans. Canada would be an excellent EU member, were it not on the wrong side of the pond. USA wouldn't qualify, as they do not meet EU's human rights requirements.

[mmmeee0]

Well, Canadians certainly have more in common with Europeans than with Americans. Canada would be an excellent EU member, were it not on the wrong side of the pond. USA wouldn't qualify, as they do not meet EU's human rights requirements.

Hey, Greenland, Hans Island, Saint Pierre and Miquelon are on our side of the pond too. What's the big leap about Newfoundland to Vancouver?

[Longinus]

Hey, Greenland, Hans Island, Saint Pierre and Miquelon are on our side of the pond too. What's the big leap about Newfoundland to Vancouver?

Fine, you can join. But don't tell Mexico or they want in as well.

[Ion_StormH]

Why would Canada arbitrarily decide to 'enter the union'? If you have been watching the news lately, you will see that many of us don't really agree with your country's foreign policy, and furthermore are 'just a little bit' mad about how the Free Trade Act is being 'interpreted'. Not very good reasons for Canada to join - we would get nothing out of it, and our concerns ignored. Further, it's more profitable for your country to leave us alone and simply continue using us as a market for American goods.

Now there boy, don't you be overreacting on the little Free Trade Act! It's not our fault that we just simply cut your lumber. I mean, you shouldn't have planet the trees beforehand, you canucks! :rolleyes:

Yes, when I went to Canada I was introduced to that kind of problem. Luckily, as a European, I was the kind of person which is always the jerk in discussions between a married couple. :D

"Now, Europe! WHO IS RIGHT? MMH?!" *evil stare*

[lonewulf44]

I understand left-wingers and right-wingers don't really like each other, but I think New England and the Pacific Northwest would secede and join Canada before Canada would up and join the U.S.
And I don't think that's very likely either.

That's the point that's missing. Like the US the coastal states/provinces share most ideology while the middle and rocky regions tend to agree. Future partitions would be more likely than Canada freely joining the US. Some kind of New England North Atlantic (NENA) republic, Central continental power, and Pacific coastal nation forming. Be some fighting over Alaska and her oil, Mid-Atlantic coasts though ...

[boredatwork]

These threads are always fun.

Jingoistic fellow yanquis certain that the Canucks will be assimilated in time, while our maple hugging neighbors keep insisting (despite all evidence to the contrary) that they're totally different from us. Like really and completely, aboot and all that.

Seriously - why would the Canadians bother? For all intents and purposes they're a 51st state today, one that gets to make even more fun of the rest of the US than Manhattanites do.

As for the US, sure, if they ask we'ld let them in - why not? But barring the closure of the border, the departure of quebec, or the final collapse of their health care system (which seems to be the sum total of their identity of late (j/k)) there's no reason for them to petition for entry. They'ld have to spend a ton of time changing their flags, getting social security cards, and adding a Spanish option to all their client service numbers. For what? They already have access to our markets, and it's not like we would ever let anyone (else) attack them - so what's the point, really?

[mmmeee0]

These threads are always fun.

Jingoistic fellow yanquis certain that the Canucks will be assimilated in time, while our maple hugging neighbors keep insisting (despite all evidence to the contrary) that they're totally different from us. Like really and completely, aboot and all that.

Seriously - why would the Canadians bother? For all intents and purposes they're a 51st state today, one that gets to make even more fun of the rest of the US than Manhattanites do.

As for the US, sure, if they ask we'ld let them in - why not? But barring the closure of the border, the departure of quebec, or the final collapse of their health care system (which seems to be the sum total of their identity of late (j/k)) there's no reason for them to petition for entry. They'ld have to spend a ton of time changing their flags, getting social security cards, and adding a Spanish option to all their client service numbers. For what? They already have access to our markets, and it's not like we would ever let anyone (else) attack them - so what's the point, really?

A corridor to invade Russia?

[boredatwork]

nice one.

Even we're not that daft.

(we get close mind you - there was the whole batbomb kick that we went on for a while)

'sides, even we know that we already have Alaska.

[mmmeee0]

nice one.

Even we're not that daft.

(we get close mind you - there was the whole batbomb kick that we went on for a while)

'sides, even we know that we already have Alaska.

Which you bought from Russia...

Are you sure that location is secure?

Anyways, you'd invade us becase your whole denial-of-global-warming issue will lead to an eternally-open North-West Passage. And we all know what you did to Panama...

[boredatwork]

but that's the point.

We're defacto the same country already. Unless you spontanteous start generating >8% population growth for a sustained period of time, and move all your major population centers and infrastructure away from our common border, all the global warming in the world won't make a difference.

C'mon - what Canadian PM in his right mind is going to force the USA to resort to military force to use an open NWP? That's right, none.

non issue.

It's like the Canada invading Greenland. Sure, they could, but why bother?

[mmmeee0]

but that's the point.

We're defacto the same country already. Unless you spontanteous start generating >8% population growth for a sustained period of time, and move all your major population centers and infrastructure away from our common border, all the global warming in the world won't make a difference.

C'mon - what Canadian PM in his right mind is going to force the USA to resort to military force to use an open NWP? That's right, none.

non issue.

It's like the Canada invading Greenland. Sure, they could, but why bother?

Because the American president wants a legacy, so he gets the Munroe Doctrine Out and says 'No more Denmark Imperialism!', and pays us off to go there and plant flags while the Danish people all move back to Amsterdam to get high.

Anyways, the water issue at hand, the Americans are going to want water, lots of it. And then we're going to have a problem.

[boredatwork]

Because the American president wants a legacy, so he gets the Munroe Doctrine Out and says 'No more Denmark Imperialism!', and pays us off to go there and plant flags while the Danish people all move back to Amsterdam to get high.



Nice - I got a chuckle from that one that is going to have the secretary asking questions if I keep it up.

Anyways, the water issue at hand, the Americans are going to want water, lots of it. And then we're going to have a problem

Desalination plants, icebergs, water from Alaska or the North West. Or, we could just buy it from you, like we do your lumber & beer (when we're not being protectionist twits, anyway).

Heck, if we just stopped subsidizing farmers who want to raise citrus crops in a freaking desert, (or subsidizing the price of water in general) that would make a difference.

[boredatwork]

can't believe I overlooked this.

I think greenland might be independent, or at least semi-indep at this stage.

Wouldn't Danes go back to copenhagen?

Oh - and can we keep the hot bikini model types? (denmark, sweden - they're all stacked scandinavians right? right?

...

oh, dang.)

[mmmeee0]

Nice - I got a chuckle from that one that is going to have the secretary asking questions if I keep it up.



Desalination plants, icebergs, water from Alaska or the North West. Or, we could just buy it from you, like we do your lumber & beer (when we're not being protectionist twits, anyway).

Heck, if we just stopped subsidizing farmers who want to raise citrus crops in a freaking desert, (or subsidizing the price of water in general) that would make a difference.

Infrastructure costs money. Transportation costs $.

With Global Warming, we're obviously losing fresh water to the sea. If we went the green path, we could save a hole bunch of infrastructure-building with solar-transports during the 'day' in the arctic, with heated windfarms at 'night'. Then we transport fresh-water-ice down south, store it and let it melt, slowly, into a resovior. Might even bring the temperatures down because companies want to store frozen foods in the big block of ice.

[boredatwork]

Infrastructure costs money. Transportation costs $

easy peasy - we'll just print more :D

(joke)

[Codae]

Why would Democrats narrowly winning make Canadians scared of a far-right US?

[mmmeee0]

Why would Democrats narrowly winning make Canadians scared of a far-right US?

Because we're mostly a nation of tokers (BC weed is always out of my reach, and sometimes I'm so stoned I walk sideways), we'll get paranoid about the far-right when a 'democrat' wins, and he's a centerist in our own system...

[boredatwork]

Because we're mostly a nation of tokers (BC weed is always out of my reach, and sometimes I'm so stoned I walk sideways), we'll get paranoid about the far-right when a 'democrat' wins, and he's a centerist in our own system...

that's a whole lot of trouble. You folks should go in for the munchies instead.

Of course, then you'ld end up even more like us than you already are...

[mmmeee0]

that's a whole lot of trouble. You folks should go in for the munchies instead.

Of course, then you'ld end up even more like us than you already are...

We have the munchies 24/7.

Have you ever had Poutine? One of the best munchie-smashers in the world. The three food groups: Potatoes, Cheese, Meat Sauce. Maybe Ketchup if your really thinking about four.

Anyways, the US political system is right-slanted, while ours is left-slanted.

A Conservative/Republican-styled Canadian Politician wouldn't dare dream of taking away our Healthcare.

A Liberal/Democrat-styled American Politician has to stay moral and not bend to pharmaceuticals, medical-appliance-manufacturing (x-rays, MRIs), or unhealthy-lifestyle (smoking, fast food, drinking...) lobbies.

That's what makes us so widely different in that respect.

Another thing is that fact we're hardier. We'll find solutions to problems we didn't even know we had.

"Global Warming? Well, at least we'll get a good farming season and a North West Sealane." One large global problem, two Canadian Solutions...

[Codae]

Because we're mostly a nation of tokers (BC weed is always out of my reach, and sometimes I'm so stoned I walk sideways), we'll get paranoid about the far-right when a 'democrat' wins, and he's a centerist in our own system...
So if any political party but the Greens wins an American election by any margin, Canadians get worried and petition for statehood?

[mmmeee0]

So if any political party but the Greens wins an American election by any margin, Canadians get worried and petition for statehood?

If the Americans get out of a Mcarthy Era, while we're being the paranoid tokers we are, we'll sign the Star Wars Treaty...

That's it. The American Political System is to the Right of the Canadian System. Your Conservatives are like boogeymen to us (Laser Defense, High military Spending, PATRIOT ACT, Free Market Hospitals, Drug Wars, Terrorism Wars...). No statehood, but that missile defense would calm alot of stoners and get us all 'Woah...lasers...'.

We might join the EU though. Just to scare the US and Russia into joining. You know, they're suprisingly like kindergarten boy and kindergarten girl. Boy bugs girl, because he likes her, girl spreads nasty rumors, because she likes him and doesn't want him to touch other girls...

Besides, the EU is legalizing weed faster than Canada...Canaba...

[M-tel]

These threads are always fun.

Jingoistic fellow yanquis certain that the Canucks will be assimilated in time, while our maple hugging neighbors keep insisting (despite all evidence to the contrary) that they're totally different from us. Like really and completely, aboot and all that.

Seriously - why would the Canadians bother? For all intents and purposes they're a 51st state today, one that gets to make even more fun of the rest of the US than Manhattanites do.

As for the US, sure, if they ask we'ld let them in - why not? But barring the closure of the border, the departure of quebec, or the final collapse of their health care system (which seems to be the sum total of their identity of late (j/k)) there's no reason for them to petition for entry. They'ld have to spend a ton of time changing their flags, getting social security cards, and adding a Spanish option to all their client service numbers. For what? They already have access to our markets, and it's not like we would ever let anyone (else) attack them - so what's the point, really?

I have to disagree, while the whole 51st state thing was true throughout most of the 20th century, Canada IS different from the US, not visibly, Canada (as most know) is socially liberal (ex: abortion, gay marriage legal, such things aren't considered controversial, movies are rated softer) and is moving farther left. It'd fit in more as a European country than an American extension. Add to that, the political systems and parties are incompatible, and like someone said earlier, no former British dominion would join the US without a fight.

[Blue Max]

I think that while Canada will probably remain independent until Supernational structures like the UN become meaningful governments, Quebec might leave Canada and join the USA--such a move has something like 35% approval right now--and could reach 51% if economics spin the right way. Something to do with the USA being much more diverse than Canada.

Canada, the USA, and heck, most British dominions share a good deal of values, a common language and religious connections. I would take this to mean that Canada would probably prefer to be part of the United States instead of part of Russia, but that doesn't mean that they want to be part of the United States.

Most likely scenario I can think of is Canada suffering a terrible calamity and the USA assuming power as a result.

[SeanB]

Here is another slant on the story

On an official visit to Canada a heated debate over who shot down the Red Barron develops between the Prime ministers of Australia and Canada, that leads to the Australian prime minister punching out the Canadian prime minister and eventually killing him as the canadian prime minister is rushed to hospital in a coma and dies shortly after arrival of a blood clot to the brain

Hah! Both one of the dumbest and most hilarious things I've heard in a long time. :D

[Reylance]

Because the American president wants a legacy, so he gets the Munroe Doctrine Out and says 'No more Denmark Imperialism!', and pays us off to go there and plant flags while the Danish people all move back to Amsterdam to get high.


Ahh, the United States already bought Denmark's only worthwhile territory in the Western Hemisphere. They can keep Greenland.

[ArKhan]

I remember reading an article online. Writen during the whole "America vs France" era, It was by a Canadian who believed that Canada should expand it's military because he was convinced that the within the next 10 years the Americans would invade and comit genocide agianst the French Canadians.

[M-tel]

I think that while Canada will probably remain independent until Supernational structures like the UN become meaningful governments, Quebec might leave Canada and join the USA--such a move has something like 35% approval right now--and could reach 51% if economics spin the right way. Something to do with the USA being much more diverse than Canada.

Canada, the USA, and heck, most British dominions share a good deal of values, a common language and religious connections. I would take this to mean that Canada would probably prefer to be part of the United States instead of part of Russia, but that doesn't mean that they want to be part of the United States.

Most likely scenario I can think of is Canada suffering a terrible calamity and the USA assuming power as a result.


Regardless of polls, Quebec joining the US would be impossible, much of Quebec is owned by natives, and in both Quebec sovereignty or joining the US, the natives are sharply against. That last paragraph is probably the ONLY way the US could assume power in Canada.

And the UN becoming a world government? Being so inefficient and bureaucratic? ASB territory my friends, ASB. ;)

[Jasen777]

Anyways, by my calculations if you admit the Canadian provinces as states (lumping Prince Edward Island in with Nova Scotia because it's too small) and keeping the territories as territories, then Canada together gets 63 electoral votes (out of a new total of 556).

Newfoundland 3
Nova Scotia 4
New Brunswick 3
Quebec 12
Ontario 19
Manitoba 4
Saskatchewan 3
Alberta 7
British Columbia 8


Losing votes (this assumes the House stays the same size) and the number they lose are:

Alabama 1
Arizona 1
California 7
Colorado 1
Florida 3
Georgia 2
Illinois 2
Indiana 1
Iowa 1
Louisiana 1
Maryland 1
Massachusetts 1
Michigan 1
Minnesota 1
Missouri 1
Nebraska 1
New Jersey 2
New York 3
North Carolina 2
Ohio 3
Pennsylvania 2
Tennessee 1
Texas 3
Virginia 1
Washington 1
Wisconsin 1

As a result for the 2004 election, Bush losses 23 votes and Kerry losses 22. This gives Bush 263 and Kerry 229, before Canada. 279 is needed to win.

[Tyr]

Quebec moans a lot about being subserviant to a somewhat larger Anglo population.
For the Anglo population to be far, far bigger and the subserviance to be more actual.....

[RCAF Brat]

Anyways, by my calculations if you admit the Canadian provinces as states (lumping Prince Edward Island in with Nova Scotia because it's too small) and keeping the territories as territories, then Canada together gets 63 electoral votes (out of a new total of 556).

Newfoundland 3
Nova Scotia 4
New Brunswick 3
Quebec 12
Ontario 19
Manitoba 4
Saskatchewan 3
Alberta 7
British Columbia 8


Losing votes (this assumes the House stays the same size) and the number they lose are:

Alabama 1
Arizona 1
California 7
Colorado 1
Florida 3
Georgia 2
Illinois 2
Indiana 1
Iowa 1
Louisiana 1
Maryland 1
Massachusetts 1
Michigan 1
Minnesota 1
Missouri 1
Nebraska 1
New Jersey 2
New York 3
North Carolina 2
Ohio 3
Pennsylvania 2
Tennessee 1
Texas 3
Virginia 1
Washington 1
Wisconsin 1

As a result for the 2004 election, Bush losses 23 votes and Kerry losses 22. This gives Bush 263 and Kerry 229, before Canada. 279 is needed to win.

Alberta, B.C., and Saskatchewan proceed to vote Republican, by varying margins, and put Bush over the top.:D The Democrats bitch and moan about two-faced Canucks, but they still lose. The Republicans get a majority in the House and the Senate to go with the Presidency. Globally, liberal/socialist/left wing heads explode.

[Blue Max]

Regardless of polls, Quebec joining the US would be impossible, much of Quebec is owned by natives, and in both Quebec sovereignty or joining the US, the natives are sharply against. That last paragraph is probably the ONLY way the US could assume power in Canada.

And the UN becoming a world government? Being so inefficient and bureaucratic? ASB territory my friends, ASB. ;)

Interesting answer. Could there be some kind of geographic splitting involved? Perhaps Quebec itself is trimmed or redrawn to appease the natives? It may be possible to draw the map to mitigate this opposition.

That said, this is rapidly going from US annexes Canada to US annexes half of Quebec, but I could see it as more than ASB.

As for Supernational governments--think long term. The UN is certainly more successful than the League of Nations, and perhaps over hundreds of years it could become dominant. Expecting the UN to become a world government before 2200 is probably ASB though.

[BGMan]

Alberta, B.C., and Saskatchewan proceed to vote Republican, by varying margins, and put Bush over the top.:D The Democrats bitch and moan about two-faced Canucks, but they still lose. The Republicans get a majority in the House and the Senate to go with the Presidency. Globally, liberal/socialist/left wing heads explode.
I'd expect all Canadian provinces except maybe Alberta to vote Dem, myself.

[RCAF Brat]

I'd expect all Canadian provinces except maybe Alberta to vote Dem, myself.

The three I listed have a tendency to vote mostly Conservative. BC is a three way split, but the provincial government is right wing, so a two-way split goes to the right. Alberta goes Conservative by a huge margin, usually at least 2-1. Saskatchewan goes solidly Conservative at the federal level, with one exception, whee the seat went Liberal. Here it goes to the right by a smaller margin than Alberta, but it still goes to the right.

From Manitoba to the east would split close to fifty-fifty, even in Quebec.

The Maritime Provinces are surprisingly conservative in their outlook, even if they tend to back the winner. They'll split right down the middle, then back the winner's party in the next election.

Ontario might go into the 'D' column, but then again they might not, after all, a man named Mike Harris was a elected Premier twice, and outside of downtown Toronto, Ontario is very conservative. The immigrant communities are also very conservative, though they vote for the folks who were in power at the time that they came into the country. With a changed electoral dynamic, they could vote their beliefs, and swing Ontario in to the 'R' column.

[Corbell Mark IV]

I would assume Canada joining the union would benefit the Dems initially, but.

I could see that changing within a few years. Let former canadians get blamed for all the ills of the world and they might get a little differant perspective.:eek: