the race invades an ATL of your choice

[Straha]

which ATLs and time periods of the ATLs would be most interesting to see a lizard invasion?

[Amerigo Vespucci]

which ATLs and time periods of the ATLs would be most interesting to see a lizard invasion?

The GoTS TL might be interesting, primarily because I wouldn't mind seeing the technological development of eighty years following the South African incursion.

[Straha]

the race adn the draka would be an interesting mix

[DuQuense]

Lets drop them into the "Nabor" Russia TL

[RMG]

What are the Race and the Draka? I keep on hearing those names here.

[Straha]

yep or the no WWI earth woud be good to! The universe for want of a nail or ameircna empire are other planes. The Huey Long's america/no WWI or la serenissma eterna

[ConfederateFly]

What about being dropped into WW 2.

[Straha]

my TL which I'm working on that has the CSA winning will be different and WWII i nthat world will be interesint.. .no US-CS wars thoguh ;)

[Diamond]

RMG:

The Race: From Harry Turtledove's WorldWar and Colonization series, about a race of alien lizards invading Earth at the height of WWII. Continues on into the 1960s. Good idea, long-winded execution.

The Draka: From a series by S.M. Stirling, about a really nasty slave-owning race of supermen who start out in South Africa and eventually conquer the world. First book in the series is 'Marching Through Georgia'. The original trilogy is collected in the hardcover volume titled 'The Domination'. Creepy idea, uneven execution.

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I'd like to see the Race invade the world of 'Archangel', by Mike Conner. For those not familiar with it, 'Archangel' takes place in Minnesota in the early 1930s, about 15 years after the massive plague that ended WWI. Neat catch - black people are immune to it.

I wonder how the Race would react to finding massive areas of land practically depopulated - would they feel the need to enslave the remaining humans, or would they have a 'you stay in you area, I'll stay in mine' mentality?

[Straha]

yess diamond is 100% right with his info...

[Leej]

Sakura Wars :D
Or erm some sort of a no US revolution tl. A more united advanced planet facing off against them would be good.

[zoomar]

They show up late and get talked to death by Captain Kirk.

[Landshark]

They show up late and get talked to death by Captain Kirk.

You're thinking of one of those Next Generation wusses. Kirk would've phasered the males at first sight then shagged the females.

[David Howery]

here's a thought... have them land on the intelligent dinosaur world of Harry Harrison's West of Eden trilogy. What would the Race think of the Yilane? I think they'd probably like them. Would the two species unite in reptilian brotherhood, or would the Race have to conquer them? The Race would have the edge, with their mechanical technology; the Yilane bio-based tech is pretty low power in comparison....

[zoomar]

David: A great idea. Actually I wonder if the Race and those uppity primates might find common cause against the truly creepy Ylane. After all, the Race will want the warm parts of the world inhabited by those awful slimy enzyme digesting female dominated moasosaur-descended wierdos for themselves. Humans, who are a lot more like the Race in their basic culture, would be very useful allies and who wants to live where it's cold anyway.

[Faeelin]

Caliph from Alternate Earths 2.

[DominusNovus]

You're thinking of one of those Next Generation wusses. Kirk would've phasered the males at first sight then shagged the females.
Though Kirk had a knack for talking robots and computers to death.

[Stalin]

The FTL I just posted on the What happened here? thread would be interesting for them to invade. Would the Race ally with RRP USA and/or the EU against the Pan-Arab Caliphate and the Public States of China? Or would it just attack all humans outright?

[Grimm Reaper]

I deeply object to this false criticism of Capt. James T Kirk! He does not talk robots, androids, and aliens to death. They simply prefer suicide over continuing the discussion.

[Gedca]

I deeply object to this false criticism of Capt. James T Kirk! He does not talk robots, androids, and aliens to death. They simply prefer suicide over continuing the discussion.

He does convince them to kill themselves, suprisingly well.

[Straha]

get back on topic since we have better things to do than obssessover startrek.

[Adam Parsons]

One thing I have always wanted is the Race to meet up with one of the Command and Conquer timelines (Either the original C&C or the Red Alert branchoff). Granted, it would look pretty silly, but it would make an interesting mod.

[Kuralyov]

The Race invades the militarist Earths of either The Forever War or Ender's Game.

[Straha]

on the alternate history writers board I'm working on an ATL where the race invade in 1941 of their eurasian war.. take a look at it

[Stalin]

How about the Race invading the Crazy Days ATL circa. 1967, three years after WWIII started (just like how the race invaded in 1942, three years after WWII started)? I'd imagine that the I.S.S.R would lose quickly, but China and the PAF would probably be overwhelmed as well.

[Straha]

a truly interesting world because of the nuclear factor....

[Stalin]

What's interesting about the Crazy Days though is that due to the number of Superpower-nations the fear of MAD and Nuclear Destruction has increased, and made the actual use of nukes even more unthinkable. They actually managed to get through WWIII without a single mushroom cloud. But that could easily change if they had to deal with the Race...

[Straha]

on a note that ties this to AH fiction particulary Drakon, its mentioned that they found many dead earths in crosstime exploration. I bet they stumbled on a cluster of Crazy Days ATLs

[Stalin]

on a note that ties this to AH fiction particulary Drakon, its mentioned that they found many dead earths in crosstime exploration. I bet they stumbled on a cluster of Crazy Days ATLs

Ouch. So how many variants of the Crazy Days ATL do you think exist where the world:

1. Loses cities to nukes?
2. Loses countries to nukes?
3. Loses Continents to nukes?
4. Loses the Human Race to nukes?
5. Loses all life in existence to nukes?

[Straha]

Ouch. So how many variants of the Crazy Days ATL do you think exist where the world:

1. Loses cities to nukes?
2. Loses countries nukes?
3. Loses Continents nukes?
4. Loses the Human Race nukes?
5. Loses all life in existence nukes?

1 25%
2 10%
3 15%
4 25%
5 25%

[Stalin]

1 25%
2 10%
3 15%
4 25%
5 25%

Sounds a little too grim. How many variants do you think still get through without Nuclear War?

[Straha]

50% avoid nuke wars

[Stalin]

Well, aside from Nukes the Race is still going to have a lot to deal with. For example: Computers are more advanced in this ATL because the government invested more money in IBM, VR, and consumer-related research at universities in this ATL. Consequently the tech level by 1967 is about the same as 1982 in OTL: The Silicon chip was invented in 1955, Companies are linking computers together to share info, and the PC was created the same year the race arrived.

[Hyperion]

What if they just showed up 10 years later, in 1952, when jet aircraft have been developed but are still being worked on, and limited amounts of nuclear weapons are available. By this time, there should be a large number of veterans with combat experience still alive, and people would be starting to build bomb shelters.

[Forum Lurker]

Well, that's just no fun. Then we'd win too easily, and it'd look fairly similar to the books.

No, what I'd like to see is what happens if the Race arrives in the middle of the 12th century, and while surprised that things are somewhat different than they were when the probe arrived in the 4th, still manage to take over fairly easily. That way, we get to look at what happens to the Empire of the Race when it tries to incorporate a completely alien culture with far more ingenuity than it.

[Jason]

Ok, how about they invade Babylon 5 Earth instead :)

get back on topic since we have better things to do than obssessover startrek.

[Thande]

How about Tony Jones' Monarchy World? (http://www.wolfram.demon.co.uk/ah_mw_top.html) In 1941 generally slightly more advanced than OTL, although nukes are a few years away, and the major powers are Britain, Russia and China.

[fhaessig]

How about they try to invade this TL about now?

We could use a boost to our space programs.

BTW, anyone has any ideas what those anomalies in the Oort could be? :D

[Thande]

They won't invade now. Atvar nearly turned around just when they detected radio, and only went through with it because of his pride and the colonists. Now they'd either turn back or just try and nuke us out of existence.

[Forum Lurker]

Nuke us out of existence, after thoroughly documenting the radio transmissions and presence of satellites. If they did it right, they could send everything in on a purely ballistic course, and we'd not know we were under attack until the first bombs started falling through atmosphere.

[DuQuense]

I wonder how the world of the Original "Marching thru Georgia" would react

After all the World was just realizing that the Draka were a greater threat than Hitler's Germany, When suddenly whe have a new Menance.

a three way Split West v Draka v race.

[Count Dearborn]

The DC/WILDSTORM Universe.

They would lose of course, just because of the Khera, the Daemonites, WILDCats, and STORMFRONT. If they show up anytime between 1920 & 1999, Col. Jennfier Sparks will tear them a collective new one.

[Chris]

My world of United States Starship. The Race gets taken to peices far faster than OTL.

Chris

[Thande]

OK, now we've finished Race bashing, how about some TLs where it would be a walkover for the Race in 1942?

I can think of:

The Two Georges

The Peshawar Lancers

Tony Jones' Puritan World

[Count Dearborn]

I think the Russian Empire of The Peshwar Lancers might end up putting the Race on the menu.

[Thande]

Would it taste like chicken? Most things do...