1493 Retro Events up to 1520

[Glen]

If you have new events for the years 1493-1520, place them here.

[Smaug]

Muisca. Still wondering if my Oil Seep thing is ok.

I'll stick to the innovations I mentioned. I plan on nothing further than, as a fuel, and a waterproofer.... a way to make boats float, make torches or lamps, and maybe fire arrows.

I'm quite prepared to wait until further developments are made in Science and Chemistry. I do want to keep this thing plausible, I don't intend to kill fleets.

[Keenir]

Muisca. Still wondering if my Oil Seep thing is ok.

I'll stick to the innovations I mentioned. I plan on nothing further than, as a fuel, and a waterproofer.... a way to make boats float, make torches or lamps, and maybe fire arrows.

I'm quite prepared to wait until further developments are made in Science and Chemistry. I do want to keep this thing plausible, I don't intend to kill fleets.

in other places where oil is found at the surface (ala La Brea), what do the locals use it for?

that might be a baseline, imho.

[Smaug]

I found this.

http://www.pbs.org/wnet/extremeoil/history/prehistory.html

[Keenir]

would Burgundy please PM me? I'm interested in ideas why a France (not ruined by the Italian Wars) would leave alone an expansionist Burgundy.

thoughts?

[Keenir]

1513 - French King Louis XII recognizes Charles of Gueldres as the king of Oversticht.

1513-1517 - Louis XII quietly backs the Alliance against Burgundy, while keeping his own army on his home turf.

1517 - With as much as he dislikes Alphonso of Naples, Louis XII of France considers remaining neutral in Naples' conflict with Portugal. In Louis' eyes, both Portugal and Naples have sullied themselves by too much dalliance with the infidels. (Alphonso in Naples and Jerusalem, Manuel in India and Africa). Spain, Louis feels, is far better than either of them.

Louis XII sends a messenger to the Alpine Pact, asking if they - and their armies - would care to assist him - and his army - in rescuing the Pope from the vile clutches of both Naples and Portugal and the Ottomans. "Il Papa must be kept safe," he says in his message to the Pact.

OOC: And at this point, I hand France over to Aussey, who asked nicely, and has plans for France.
(I don't mind - I was running France just so there'd be a balance of power in the west of Europe)

* = Aussey, I'm letting you name the kids. have fun.

[Keenir]

please delete my Ottoman seige of Rhodes. it was, first and foremost, implausible.

[Glen]

please delete my Ottoman seige of Rhodes. it was, first and foremost, implausible.

Noted. Where is it?

[Keenir]

Noted. Where is it?

I tried running a search for "Rhodes" and found a wall of posts saying who had what nation; I searched for "seige" and was told no such post exists.

if anyone finds it, I'm making a note of it here: I'm replacing the seige of Rhodes with a conquest of Crete.

[Psychomeltdown]

INDIA/ASIA

1510 - A heavily armed fleet under Francisco de Almeida and his son launch an attack upon Malacca and the surrounding areas. it takes six months to fully subjugate the trading city, de Almeida massacring thousands of Muslims to break their hold on the city.

1512 - Lorenco de Almeida takes five ships and sent to explore toward China and the regions north of it. Lorenco meets with the Emperor of China and appeals for a trade treaty allowing Chinese ships into Malacca and.

1513 - Lorenco discovers Korea and Japan. He receives initial hostility at his first landing, but is welcomed when he arrives into Kyoto.

A large fort is build upon a port that has been purchased from the king of the Kotte kingdom in exchange for guns and weapons. The King begins brutally unifying his kingdom under his sole control, with Portuguese aid.

1514 - Lorenco explores along he Siberian coast, in the frigid temps he loses two ships and by late 1514 barely makes landfall in Western Canada. There he loses another ship and several dozen crew members to the cold.

1515 Lorenco dies of sickness in early spring He is succeeded by Miguel Hernandez who leads the two remaining ships down the west coast of North America and makes contact with the Tarascans and finally at the end of 1515, the Inca.

1516 - Hernandez arrives back into Portugal, showing all the fruits of their exploration.

[Glen]

INDIA/ASIA

1510 - A heavily armed fleet under Francisco de Almeida and his son launch an attack upon Malacca and the surrounding areas. it takes six months to fully subjugate the trading city, de Almeida massacring thousands of Muslims to break their hold on the city.

Why a year earlier? Not that it matters. This one is near historical.

I see you've kept his son alive. Interesting.


1512 - Lorenco de Almeida takes five ships and sent to explore toward China and the regions north of it. Lorenco meets with the Emperor of China and appeals for a trade treaty allowing Chinese ships into Malacca and.

And? Also, I doubt very much that a barbarian will get an audience with the Emperor of China. Feel free to appeal to the bureaucracy, of course. A treaty allowing Chinese ships into Malacca? I'm confused.

Also, why are the Portuguese going to the North of the Chinese? Seems out of the blue.


1513 - Lorenco discovers Korea and Japan. He receives initial hostility at his first landing, but is welcomed when he arrives into Kyoto.

Hardly discovers. If he is in contact with China, he'd surely hear of them. He'd also likely hear there was nothing of much interest North of there (of course, the Chinese might be lying). Anyway, its only a few decades before OTL contact, so okay by me.

A large fort is build upon a port that has been purchased from the king of the Kotte kingdom in exchange for guns and weapons. The King begins brutally unifying his kingdom under his sole control, with Portuguese aid.

No comment here.


1514 - Lorenco explores along he Siberian coast, in the frigid temps he loses two ships and by late 1514 barely makes landfall in Western Canada. There he loses another ship and several dozen crew members to the cold.

1515 Lorenco dies of sickness in early spring He is succeeded by Miguel Hernandez who leads the two remaining ships down the west coast of North America and makes contact with the Tarascans and finally at the end of 1515, the Inca.

1516 - Hernandez arrives back into Portugal, showing all the fruits of their exploration.

Why are the Portuguese doing this? I don't get it. What is this mission's intent? Was this meant as another attempt at circumnavigation?

Can you give more guidance as to the rationale for all of this?

[Keenir]

INDIA/ASIA
1516 - Hernandez arrives back into Portugal, showing all the fruits of their exploration.

what did he bring back? (you said only that he got permission to build forts)

[The Sicilian]

Louis XII sends a messenger to the Alpine Pact, asking if they - and their armies - would care to assist him - and his army - in rescuing the Pope from the vile clutches of both Naples and Portugal and the Ottomans. "Il Papa must be kept safe," he says in his message to the Pact.

The Alpine pact isn't a tight organisation, much more of a defence pact between squabbling city-states. It has very little offensive capability, and no will to use it. And they would be just as teerified of any French presence on the Peninsula as the Neapolitans. And what is that about the Ottomans and Portugese?

[General_Paul]

Hey Glen,

Well, if Almedia has got some tribute goods to give to the emperor, I'm sure that the Hongzhi Emperor would either give the Portuguese a very, very short audience, or he'd be given at the least an audience with one of the court advisers who would take his tribute goods and thank him in the name of the Ming Dynasty.

Hey man, tribute's tribute and as long as the Portuguese put on a respectful face for the court and bow incredibly low when in the presence of the emperor, he'll at least take their tribute and hear their information directly or indirectly via an adviser.

As for Malacca, the Chinese don't exactly need permission from the Portuguese to sail the straits, since if any of the companies are stalled from entering the Malacca Straits or are denied passage by the Portuguese in the name of the monetary interests of the Portuguese Empire, they'll get a swift kick in the ass from the Ming Navy. The emperor would, most likely, take such an action as an insult not only to the Ming Empire, but as a personal insult and deal with it as such.

I really doubt that the Portuguese would try to stop the Chinese businesses and the Ming trading vessels in general from sailing the Malacca Straits. If they do, they're screwed.

[Glen]

Overall agree. But I'd make it a court adviser.

Hey Glen,

Well, if Almedia has got some tribute goods to give to the emperor, I'm sure that the Hongzhi Emperor would either give the Portuguese a very, very short audience, or he'd be given at the least an audience with one of the court advisers who would take his tribute goods and thank him in the name of the Ming Dynasty.

Hey man, tribute's tribute and as long as the Portuguese put on a respectful face for the court and bow incredibly low when in the presence of the emperor, he'll at least take their tribute and hear their information directly or indirectly via an adviser.

As for Malacca, the Chinese don't exactly need permission from the Portuguese to sail the straits, since if any of the companies are stalled from entering the Malacca Straits or are denied passage by the Portuguese in the name of the monetary interests of the Portuguese Empire, they'll get a swift kick in the ass from the Ming Navy. The emperor would, most likely, take such an action as an insult not only to the Ming Empire, but as a personal insult and deal with it as such.

I really doubt that the Portuguese would try to stop the Chinese businesses and the Ming trading vessels in general from sailing the Malacca Straits. If they do, they're screwed.

[The Sicilian]

Some Milanese events

1500: Gian Galeazzo Sforza dies from sickness. He is succeeded by his son Francesco Sforza as
tititular Duke of Milan. His mother Isabella of Naples hold the real power as regent.

1500s: Milan and Naples move much closer together, due to their bloodline relations.

1507: To celebrate the Duke Francesco’s coming of age, he and his grandfather Alphonso II of
Naples sign a treat of friendship, peace, and alliance. It includes articles on mutually beneficial
trade and defense.

1509: The Duke marries Princess Anne of France. This help alleviate tensions between
the two countries. The King of France silently drops his claims to the Ducal throne.

1510: A cadet branch of the Abravanel family moves to Milan to help the Duke finance the construction of several public works projects designed by da Vinci.

[Aussey]

1495 December: Though measles ravages the city of Amboise, draconian measures ordered by the King manage to isolate the Dauphin, Charles Orlando, from the disease.

1498: King Charles VIII of France dies. He is succeeded by his son, Charles Orlando. A regency is established under his mother, Queen Anne of Brittany.

1498-1510:
The Regency of Queen Anne of Brittany saw the influx of many Breton nobles to high positions of the French Court. Indeed, it was soon termed the "Breton Court," by most of the French. The Queen, who had a great interest in the teachings of humanism, had her son taught by Renaissance-thinking Italian tutors. They didn't mind, though. As Regent, the Queen successfully kept France out of major conflict, and was able to prepare an acceptable court for her son, the King. When faced with the Burgundian/Anti-Burgundian conflict, the Queen placed France in a perfect neutral position, sure to benefit the Kingdom. However, it was well known as to how the French felt should the Burgundians attempt to expand their expantionist policies into the French realm. The Queen-Regent's Court was very much a Renaissance Court, as the Queen introduced many new theories to the court, and even wrote a court etiquette manual! The greatest accomplishment of the Regency, however, was the marriage of King Charles IX to his cousin in 1508 to the Lady Marguerite d'Angoulême, which kept France from forming a foreign alliance, and secured the succession. The Queen also solved the Milanese issue, by marrying her daughter, the Princess Anne of France (born 1498) to the Duke of Milan in 1509.

1510-1520: In 1510, King Charles IX took the throne in his own right. A son was born to Queen Marguerite months later, whom they named Philippe. He was made Dauphin soon after. Quite the humanist himself, the King invited many humanists to France to teach in the universities and stay at his court. Like his mother, the King appeared to be against using military force as much as possible. However, unlike his mother, he believed the State should be protected. By carefully raising taxes on small items for the nobility, Charles IX was able to raise a formidable army, while keeping the third estate pleased.

News of Cabot's "Norasia," and "New World," led to the King's sponsoring of the Norasie Company of Paris in 1512. Three ships were sent to discover and lay claim to an area in the New World. Months later, the ships landed, and established "Fort Nouvelle-France," and claimed the areas of land surrounding as "Carolina," in honor of the King. However, King Charles’s was not interested in settling the eastern coast, where many nations had begun settling. He had his eyes on a larger prize. Beginning in 1515, merchants and nobles alike began vesting the "Projet-Ouest," or the West Project of the King himself- a company dedicated to claiming, trading, and settling of the western coast of Norasia, on the Arthurian Ocean where the English had discovered a new vast ocean. The actual voyage, however, would take a few more decades to happen. Some poor farmers, mostly from Limousin, immigrated to Carolina in 1516, and were granted large land tracts, which they cultivated and where they grew crops.

In Europe, King Charles IX successfully brought peace to his Realm, declaring neutrality in the Burgundian/Anti-Burgundian conflict plaguing the Holy Roman Empire. His borders secure, the King also established friendly relations with newly unified Spain. The King also recognized the suzerainty of the current king as “King of Sicily,” and of his now brother-in-law, Sforza, as sovereign Duke of Milan. A devout Catholic, King Charles IX denounced the Portuguese in their spite of the Pope, and actually supported the Spaniards and Neapolitans in their coming conflicts. He remained neutral, militarily, but was known to support the Spanish and Italians. The King also celebrated the birth of another son, Prince Louis, in 1518.

[Keenir]

The Alpine pact isn't a tight organisation, much more of a defence pact between squabbling city-states. It has very little offensive capability, and no will to use it. And they would be just as teerified of any French presence on the Peninsula as the Neapolitans. And what is that about the Ottomans and Portugese?

at the time mentioned, the Ottomans have ships off the coast of Rome, with the Sublime Porte in Rome itself; the Portugese are saying that the Papacy must be rescued from Spain and Naples; and Naples has just taken much of the Papal States.

[The Sicilian]

at the time mentioned, the Ottomans have ships off the coast of Rome, with the Sublime Porte in Rome itself; the Portugese are saying that the Papacy must be rescued from Spain and Naples; and Naples has just taken much of the Papal States.
Any French calls to arms will fall on deaf ears (due to the above mentioned problem of the Alpine pact not being a cohesive unit). Plus the Duke Milan, by far the most powerful member of the pact, would not attack his blood relatives in Naples (despite the warmer relationshjip betwwen himself ad France this time around).


Aussey- do you think it would be a good idea just to cut that part out of the timeline? I do.

[Aussey]

Any French calls to arms will fall on deaf ears (due to the above mentioned problem of the Alpine pact not being a cohesive unit).
Aussey- do you think it would be a good idea just to cut that part out of the timeline? I do.

Which French calls to arms?
And which part?

[The Sicilian]

Which French calls to arms?
And which part?

This one:

Louis XII sends a messenger to the Alpine Pact, asking if they - and their armies - would care to assist him - and his army - in rescuing the Pope from the vile clutches of both Naples and Portugal and the Ottomans. "Il Papa must be kept safe," he says in his message to the Pact.


I'm not sure how many times Innocent X must assert that he is perfectly fine :rolleyes:

[Aussey]

This

oh, that one!
yeah. ALL of that is defunct now...the new TL from 1493 foward is in the retro events thread. that never happens

:)

[Keenir]

1498-1510:
The Regency of Queen Anne of Brittany
The Queen, who had a great interest in the teachings of humanism,

she did in OTL?

As Regent, the Queen successfully kept France out of major conflict,
When faced with the Burgundian/Anti-Burgundian conflict, the Queen placed France in a perfect neutral position,
However, it was well known as to how the French felt should the Burgundians attempt to expand their expantionist policies into the French realm.

However, unlike his mother, he believed the State should be protected.

if his mother didn't believe France should be protected, what kept France safe for the regency era?

Beginning in 1515, merchants and nobles alike began vesting the "Projet-Ouest," or the West Project of the King himself- a

why did so many people (particularly nobles) vest in it, when only poor people get to go? (and how does he know that its a larger area than the East Coast? didn't people back then think China was just a short distance away from the West Coast?

[Keenir]

Aussey- do you think it would be a good idea just to cut that part out of the timeline? I do.

I thought everything I wrote had been retconned from French history.

just a thought.

[Psychomeltdown]

Why a year earlier? Not that it matters. This one is near historical.

Things have been going well for the Portuguese in India/Africa. therefore timetables have been advanced and things are happening slightly prior to what they did in OTL.

Also, why are the Portuguese going to the North of the Chinese? Seems out of the blue.

Why are the Portuguese doing this? I don't get it. What is this mission's intent? Was this meant as another attempt at circumnavigation?

Can you give more guidance as to the rationale for all of this?

Pride?

The Portuguese are the premier sailors and explorers of the time, or they were if not for suddenly every nation that purchased a dingy suddenly managing to cross thousands of miles of ocean and begin laying claim, building colonies, and discovering continents.

The damned English circumnavigated the world, for Christ's sake, the Portuguese won't be over shined by some nation with barely a navy to it's name... :D


what did he bring back? (you said only that he got permission to build forts)
Maps, information, Portuguese prestige. The latter being something more important the former.

Hey Glen,

Well, if Almedia has got some tribute goods to give to the emperor, I'm sure that the Hongzhi Emperor would either give the Portuguese a very, very short audience, or he'd be given at the least an audience with one of the court advisers who would take his tribute goods and thank him in the name of the Ming Dynasty.

Hey man, tribute's tribute and as long as the Portuguese put on a respectful face for the court and bow incredibly low when in the presence of the emperor, he'll at least take their tribute and hear their information directly or indirectly via an adviser.

As for Malacca, the Chinese don't exactly need permission from the Portuguese to sail the straits, since if any of the companies are stalled from entering the Malacca Straits or are denied passage by the Portuguese in the name of the monetary interests of the Portuguese Empire, they'll get a swift kick in the ass from the Ming Navy. The emperor would, most likely, take such an action as an insult not only to the Ming Empire, but as a personal insult and deal with it as such.

I really doubt that the Portuguese would try to stop the Chinese businesses and the Ming trading vessels in general from sailing the Malacca Straits. If they do, they're screwed.

Isn't it a bit too soon for the Chinese to suddenly have a vested interest in Maritime trade? I can see a slowly growing amount of traders over a long period of time, say 50 years, but suddenly having a navy and ships comparable to what the Portuguese have in Asia by 1515?

Aren't the Chinese still held to the belief that Merchants and traders are parasites who get rich off the labor of others? it's a mindset and belief that's been pounded into their lives since about the time of Confucius and just because the Emperor suddenly wants some ships out and about, they shouldn't all be turning into merchants and traders. Zheng He's fleet wasn't about trade, it was about tribute and show of Chinese Power.

Chinese power lies in it's land and unless massive wealth is flooding in via trade, then there's really no reason to suddenly have hordes of traders/merchants clamoring all about SE Asia for markets and fighting each other for competition.

I'll agree that there will be an increase of ships in the waters about China, but not as much as you're claiming. Just my opinion.

Plus, come on, land lubbering rice farming wannabe sailors vs. ships and sailors that have been born and bred for generations to a pinnacle of maritime prowess? The chines act up and interfere with the money flowing into Portuguese coffers, then their tubby ships will be sinking to the bottom of the sea.

[Glen]

Meltdown, see my comments in discussion.

[Glen]

Northern Italy:

1503 December 8: Boniface Palaeologus, the child Margrave of Montferrat, dies after a bout of measles. Young Duke Charles II of Savoy claims the Margravate through his mother, Blanche of Montferrat. Troops from Savoy back up his claim.

Northern Italy:

1507 May 10: Duke Charles II of Savoy ends the long standing feud between Saluzzo and Savoy by marrying his cousin, Michelle Antonia of Saluzzo and laying claim as well to the Margravate of Saluzzo.

[Glen]

1514:

Trent:

{Bernardo Clesio does not become Bishop of Trent.}

[Tom Veil]

News of Cabot's "Norasia," and "New World," led to the King's sponsoring of the Norasie Company of Paris in 1512. Three ships were sent to discover and lay claim to an area in the New World. Months later, the ships landed, and established "Fort Nouvelle-France," and claimed the areas of land surrounding as "Carolina," in honor of the King. *** Some poor farmers, mostly from Limousin, immigrated to Carolina in 1516, and were granted large land tracts, which they cultivated and where they grew crops.

Where (using OTL geography) is Carolina and Fort Nouvelle-France?

[Aussey]

Where (using OTL geography) is Carolina and Fort Nouvelle-France?

Ft. Nouvelle-France is located where Ft. Caroline was in OTL. "Carolina," is just as far as they explore in the area.

[Glen]

Ft. Nouvelle-France is located where Ft. Caroline was in OTL. "Carolina," is just as far as they explore in the area.

Basically he's trying to place a small colony around the area of OTL's Jacksonville, Florida.

[marl_d]

Sibir Khanate

Late 1508: An influx of people from the east causes Khan to call a council of tribal elders to discus what to do about these new people and their tales of the war between the Manchu and Ming. The Council for the moment decides to monitor the situation, but the elders also agree to expand the army and send an emissary to the Manchu to find out their intentions and strength.

1509: The Emissary’s reach the Manchu early the next year and meet with the Leaders and hear exaggerated stories of their slaughter by the Ming. The stories surprise and alarmed the Siberian emissary’s; they send word back to the Khan. The Siberian’s sympathy brings them to invite the Manchu back to Qashliq.

1510: After hearing the Manchu’s story, the Khan offers the Manchu Land in the Southern Steppes as well as possible revenge against the Ming. Privately the Khan doubts that anything will be able to be done. However realizing the dangers of the Ming he starts a modernization of the Army. He asks the Manchu leader to send some of his most experienced soldiers to Qashliq to help train his Army.


the Manchu were used with General Paul's permission, there will be more a little later

[Keenir]

1510-11:
Winter:
Venice:
His wife dead from sickness, the Doge of Venice prepares to marry a member of one of Mantua's noble families -- only for her to snub him by marrying a Mantuan man of a station lower than the Doge's.

1511:
Summer:
Northern Italy:
Venice's army begins marching into Mantua. The success of this venture strengthens the Doge at home against the Council.

1511:
Late Fall & Winter:
Venice's army stops for the season, owing to the weather; they will resume come the end of winter.

1512
Northern Italy:
The upperclasses of Mantua begin to flee to Milan.

LATE 1512:
Northern Italy:
Their army becoming exhausted, Mantua requests support and sanctuary from the Alpine Pact.

[Glen]

Can we have an event before Venice attacking Mantua, showing WHY they are attacking. Even if it is only a pretense, lets at least have such.

[Keenir]

Can we have an event before Venice attacking Mantua, showing WHY they are attacking. Even if it is only a pretense, lets at least have such.

how many wars were started by snubs? :)

[Glen]

how many wars were started by snubs? :)

Enough, enough.

[Tomb]

Mesoamerica
1506: At the news of the defeat of the Aztec triple Alliance, the Tarascans, the traditional enemys of the Aztecs rejoice! Starting off with a great bonfire in the capital, lasting for five nights and days, and abel to be seen throughout the Tarascan lake basin. At news of the Aztec defeat, the Otomies and other native groups that sought protection under the Tarascans from the Aztecs, begin to migrate back toward their ancestral homelands. Alarmed at the increasing loss of manpower, the Cazonci Tangáxuan II orders the temples and army to prepare to move into the former Aztec territories.

[Tom Veil]

1508 March: The Susquehanna begin sending regular trade ships from Conowingo (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Conowingo%2C_Maryland&redirect=no) to the English trading post on the western side of the bay.
1514 March: TheAttawandaron, largely untouched by the plague, begin trading indirectly with the British by selling furs to Haudenosaunee merchants.
1516-19: The so-called “Ancient Stories” of the Iroquois are transcribed in this period. The Ancient Stories represent the apex of Waponahkiyik-form Iroquois, as the process of transcription exposes the weaknesses and flaws of the rudimentary written language. English influences, mostly from Hospitaliers, begin to transform the young script.
1519 March: Having recovered from the plague in previous years, the Erie begin expanding again by resettling Conneaut Lake (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conneaut_Lake) and beginning a Haudenosaunee-style road to connect it to the Lake Erie settlements.

[Keenir]

If you have new events for the years 1493-1520, place them here.


1517: Having wandered since Venice's invasion of Mantua had made him persona non grata, Gregory of Mantua arrives in Rhodes, gains a few converts (most notably Jacob of Rhodes), and continues on to Constantinople, where he continues to preach.

[Glen]

1517: Having wandered since Venice's invasion of Mantua had made him persona non grata, Gregory of Mantua arrives in Rhodes, gains a few converts (most notably Jacob of Rhodes), and continues on to Constantinople, where he continues to preach.

Are Gregory of Mantua and Jacob of Rhodes based on real OTL figures, or are they new people from the ATL? We are starting to get into the period where new people would be active, certainly.

[Keenir]

Are Gregory of Mantua and Jacob of Rhodes based on real OTL figures, or are they new people from the ATL? We are starting to get into the period where new people would be active, certainly.

they might be based on real people, but not as far as I know; they're new people, both personality-wise and in all other respects (as far as I know)

[Glen]

they might be based on real people, but not as far as I know; they're new people, both personality-wise and in all other respects (as far as I know)

Fine. Suggest they have been born around 1493/1494. They're the Brat Pack of religion.:D

[AJNolte]

1519: A church council is convened in Zurich to deal with the Wettinite issues.
1520: The council of Zurich deadlocks on the issue of justification by faith alone. Wettin and all of his supporters, including Emperor Maximillian, are excommunicated.

[Smaug]

Nice:) Somebody pick a fight....

[Tomb]

1507 Summer: Tarascan warriors pour out into the borders of the Aztec protectorate, "persuading" the tribes of the territories on the edge to come under the benevolent rule of the Caconzi Zuangua.

1507 Winter: Armed with English given weapons the Totonac/Aztec protectorate warriors defeat the Tarascans outside of the valley of mexico.
The Caconzi warily retreats, though only slightly, stopping their advance. English envoys offer terms of protectorate to the Tarascans similar to that of the other local protectorates. The Caconzi, influenced by his first hand witnessing of the defeat agrees, also agreeing not to attack the other protectorates, but refuses to withdraw entirely, pulling back from the valley of the mexica, but close enough to make the Aztecs worry, and instead moves south along the pacific coast, heading for the lands of the Mixetc and Zapotec.

1508 Early Winter-Late Fall: Invading Mixtec lands, the Mixtec having broken off from the Aztec Empire at the start of their defeat, battle the warriors of Tzintzuntzan, though depleted of many Otomie mercenaries from return migrations out of Tarascan lands. The Mixtec fought hard and bloody, but once the western highlands fell to Tarascan superior numbers and tactics, it was largely over. The remianing Mixtec resistance in the low land valley were ambushed from the otherside, by The Zapotec. Merchant-Spies of the Tarascans, slipped through Mixtec lands in the midst of the fighting. Showing the Zapotec kings the weapons of the English, offering them all of the valley of Oaxaca, which was mostly taken from them by the Mixtec and Aztec, and leave Monte Alban, the old capital to the Zapotec. The Zapotec agreed, also becoming a vassal state under the Tarascans but free of most tribute.
Though the Caconzi prohibited anymore sacrifice, many "personal" dedications to the sun god of war Curicaueri, bonfires lighting up the mountain peaks.

1509 Spring: Control being established, the Caconzi begins to change the political-social structure, slowly allowing the old religions to be put into tradition, approving of Christianity, even putting himself in charge of the christian church throughout the Tarascan state, declaring it The Church of The Purhepecha.

[Tom Veil]

1505 April: Raj Jagannath of Orissa’s first son, Jayadeva, is born.
1508 June: Prithviraj of Delhi’s second daughter, Indira, is born.
1514 August: Rajamaharana Prithviraj’s second son, Vijay, is born.

[marl_d]

Sibir Khanate

Spring 1511: After much debate, the Manchu’s except the Sibir Khan’s offer and move into the Southern Steeps, displacing only a few minor tribes while some are absorbed by the Manchu. The Khan requires that an annual tribute of Manchu warriors be added to his new Army. The move causes some tension between Sibir and the Nogai Horde

1512: The Khan of Sibir sends overtures to Kazan, Muscovy, and Crimea looking for possible allies and trade partners for his plans on expanding his Territory.

Muscovy

July 1507-1509: Nil Sorsky decides to start evangelizing to the peasants. He tells his “Sorskivtes” that he will be leaving for the Russian countryside teaching, preaching, living off what the Lord provides. He does not ask any of them to follow him, but would not reject any company. A small band of 20 set out to preach the about reforming and going back to a simpler, apostleistic approach to God.

This move is at first seen as a bit of a joke by the Hierarchy, particularly Joseph Volotsky, until Sorskivites gain strength through the peasant population and lower clergy. Hoping to crush the heresy, the Josephineians start a smear campaign against Sorsky and his followers.

During this time, the Sorskivtes develop the reformations basic doctrines, while most don’t differ from the Orthodox, such as the Trinity, Iconography, the Resurrection, the infallibility of the Bible and the Orthodoxy’s idea’s on “Sola scriptura”, some do. They belive that an Individual's only way to God is through ones own inner world and personal emotional experiences of faith, monks should use their time for productive labor, a modest lifestyle as well as going about seeing to the needs of the sick and poor, and not keeping themselves secluded.

A group of Sorskivites takes it upon themselves to start learning what they can to treat the sick and heal using Christ as an example. They also glean what they can from Local healers and star experimenting with different cures for various ailments.

1508: With the increase in trade between Moscow and Riga, Dmitriy annexes the autonomous reigns of Pskov and Volokolamsk.
1509: A peasant brings his 7-year-old son, Alik, to the Knights of St Andrew. The Grand Master asks why he doesn’t send him to a Monastery instead, the father replies that he did but they threw him out because he kept escaping and was leading the other boys on “crusades” to route out the heathen Mongols. The boy is very intelligent and absorbs everything he’s learned, but is undisciplined and vivid imagination, and can’t be controlled. The Grand Master accepts the young Alik, and keeps an eye on the boy.
1510: The monk Philotheus of Pskov records the Legend of the White Cowl, which asserts the historical and religious inevitability of Russia's place as the heir to the Byzantine Empire's temporal and religious authority.

August 15, 1510: Vasili getting frustrated with his nephew’s rule and lax policies regarding the reformers and feeling that the third Rome is losing it’s prestige, finally sets out for Constantinople. When he leaves he offers Joseph Volotsky, Clergy and Boyars that are loyal to him as well as feed up with Dmitriy’s rule to join him. He promises to get land and positions in his court for the Boyars, and High Ranks in the Orthodox Hierarchy in Constantinople.


September 1510: Vasili arrives in Constantinople with an about 150 priest, monks, Boyars and the Boyars families. Emperor Ahmed and Princess Fatima receive him in the Throne room where a descendant of the Shishemid Tsars of Bulgaria is also present. Though irritated by the small jab, Vasili recognizes the significance, and says nothing.

1511: The Russian Navy and Merchant fleets continue to grow. With the Help of Dutch ship designers the first carrack is built. In honor of Dmitriy’s Grandfather, the ship is named Ivan the Great, (this is also the first time that Ivan III is called such). The Russian Navy now consists of the Ivan, 30 galleys, and about 20 smaller ships. The Russian Merchant fleet has increased to 50 ships. Most of the sailors of the Russian Fleet, both naval and merchant, are still foreigners, though the number of former Livonian’s and Russians are increasing.

February 17, 1511: Twins are born to Dmitriy, both a boy and Girl.
Vladislava and Vikenti

1512: In order to increase the Education of the Boyars and the Princes, 2 Universities are established, one in Moscow and one in Novgorod. Due his journeys, Nil Sorsky refuses the offer of being the first Headmaster at either School; instead Dmitriy offers the Headmastership of the Moscow Academy to his long time friend and confidant Vassian Patrikeyev, who accepts. A request for Teachers is sent though Europe offering teaching positions at the new Universities.


1513: With the Increase in demand for Flax, a group of 10 flax farmers in the former Livonian region get together in order to sell their flax at higher prices than what they are getting currently. Though they receive more than what they have in the past for their crop, the group doesn’t do as well as they hope to and disband after the first year. The idea catches the ear of a man who is in Riga from Moscow on business, and he starts to contemplate how to be more effective as a business practice.

1514: Dmitriy Learns of the Sibir Khan’s attempts at expending his role in the region, seeing this as a good opportunity to gain an ally and help balance out the other Khanate’s, especially if they try and ally against Muscovy. He sends out Emissaries, and asks the Grand Master of the Knights to accompany them for protection. The Grand Master Agrees under the stipulation that the Siberian’s must be converted, so Dmitriy asks that a group of missionaries also be sent, saying that they are composed of both Traditionalist and Sorskivites.

1515: Prince Ivan leads his younger sibling in several pranks, one that almost causes a guard to be dismissed. Dmitriy having tried various forms of getting the boy under control finally is fed up and sends him to the Knights where he can learn discipline. The Grand Master can see the potential in the young Ivan, reminding him of Alik and how over the last 6 years the peasant boy had grown and honed his skills and was now the Grand Masters squire. Drawn to the young prince but at the same time repulsed by his snobbish attitude, Alik takes an immediate dislike to Ivan.

1520: Dmitriy passes the Sudebnik of 1520 which revamps not only the movement of peasants (encouraged and pushed by the Sorskivites) but the also the laws on the new merchant class that had grown out of the budding trade with the west. The Merchant laws cover mostly taxes, how much and what. The laws governing peasants are greatly expanded, banning any fee by the landowner to leave, also increasing the time that a peasant could move from the two weeks around St Georges day, to any time between three weeks after harvest and three weeks before planting. Many Traditionalist Boyars see this as a weakening of their power and protest the move.

[marl_d]

ok, Keenir and I worked it out, this is out:

September 1510: Vasili arrives in Constantinople with an about 150 priest, monks, Boyars and the Boyars families. Emperor Ahmed and Princess Fatima receive him in the Throne room where a descendant of the Shishemid Tsars of Bulgaria is also present. Though irritated by the small jab, Vasili recognizes the significance, and says nothing.

and replaced with this:

September 1510: As Vasili and his entourage are being transported to Constantinople on the Black Sea a fierce storm blows in, the crew valiantly tries to save the galley, but their efforts prove fruitless when a waterspout suddenly springs forth and destroys the ship, only one sailor survives, washing ashore near Varna . (Waterspouts are a common summer occurrence on the Black Sea so is plausible)

[Glen]

ok, Keenir and I worked it out, this is out:

September 1510: Vasili arrives in Constantinople with an about 150 priest, monks, Boyars and the Boyars families. Emperor Ahmed and Princess Fatima receive him in the Throne room where a descendant of the Shishemid Tsars of Bulgaria is also present. Though irritated by the small jab, Vasili recognizes the significance, and says nothing.

and replaced with this:

September 1510: As Vasili and his entourage are being transported to Constantinople on the Black Sea a fierce storm blows in, the crew valiantly tries to save the galley, but their efforts prove fruitless when a waterspout suddenly springs forth and destroys the ship. (Waterspouts are a common summer occurrence on the Black Sea so is plausible)

Cool! mindless filler

[Keenir]

1496 - Palatine - Otto Henry is born to the wife of Philip the Upright, Elector.
1496 - Palatine - {Otto Henry survives the year, getting to grow up.}

[Psychomeltdown]

Portugal

1518 – Manoel begins rebuilding the Portuguese Army.

Hundreds of merchants buy up the war torn land in S. Portugal, displacing thousands of people from the rural areas. These thousands of people are set to work expanding the dockyards, shipyards, and infrastructure of Lisbon.

1519 – Alfonso de Albuquerque is reinstated as the Viceroy of India. Thousands of Portuguese soldiers head out with him, a true military force instead of the usual dribs and drabs of soldiers trickling in.

The revolt of East Africa – a bloody six month long revolt that causes the Portuguese to loose Mombozique for a month to local forces. Minor port cities seethe in rebellion, but those are also put down.

Manoel sends hundreds of political enemies to S. Africa, expanding the settlement of Porto Manoel.

The Seven Companies Compact is created. Seven trading companies are allowed by Manoel I to operate in the areas held by Portugal, including East Africa, India, and Asia.

Portuguese traders land in Central Africa and begin setting up shop.

1520 – Henrique is officially named the Heir to Portugal.

The Great Fire of Porto, puts to ash nearly the entire city. Its rebuilding will become Manoel’s greatest achievement, carried on later by his successor.