1493: odds & ends (comments)

[Keenir]

figured a thread for notes and player notes wouldn't go amiss.



ie, and this is true, I can't get to the library before this Tuesday...so my post about French history 1494-1520 will have to wait until Wednesday (Thursday at the latest)

[Smaug]

I'm just waiting for some kinda closure on the rewrite. :/

[Psychomeltdown]

I'm just waiting for some kinda closure on the rewrite. :/

Yup, same here.

[Glen]

I'm working on it!:eek: Need to hear some agreement from Keen and Mess and AJ about the Levant before moving on, though.

Also need AJ, Meltdown, and Aussey to agree to the spheres of influence in the Congo/Angola region.

[Keenir]

I'm working on it!:eek: Need to hear some agreement from Keen and Mess and AJ about the Levant before moving on, though.

every time I agree to the changes made to the Levant, you change it again.

[Glen]

every time I agree to the changes made to the Levant, you change it again.

Funny, it seems to me as if every time that I come up with a new plausibility patch, you say no.

So why don't you tell me what you find the most plausible scenario at this point in time, and I'll tell you if I agree or not?

[Keenir]

Funny, it seems to me as if every time that I come up with a new plausibility patch, you say no.

and every time I try to make it more plausible, you gripe.

So why don't you tell me what you find the most plausible scenario at this point in time, and I'll tell you if I agree or not?

what are the canidates? I don't want to pick the wrong one by mistake.

[Glen]

See below.

and every time I try to make it more plausible, you gripe.



what are the canidates? I don't want to pick the wrong one by mistake.

Ahmed it is. Would you care to take a crack at the re-write?



Actually, between the Kingdom of Lebanon:rolleyes: and Arabia. The White Sheep holdings did not go that far into Arabia.



Actually, if you want to use the name of a region, I recommend Mesopotamia, which is the part of the White Sheep holdings that predominantly border the Ottomans. Persia is further away.



Well, that's as may be....

may as well be Ahmed. he died in 1512 in OTL with the rest of his brothers.



makes sense, given the extent the Mamluks were at back then.



sounds good - up to "continue on to take Egypt".

I'd suggest "The Ottomans stop to tend their wounds & prepare to take Egypt, likely as not in the near future."

I suggest that for one reason: its a narrow swath of land between the Kingdom of Jerusalem and Persia (unless the White Sheep give it another name, that's what I'm going to call it; sound fair?)...so Naples'll be aware that anything that's aimed at the Mamluks would be bad news for the Kingdom as well.

Okay, lets try this then....

Rebel son (Selim, Ahmed, someone else?) gets support from Mamelukes and marches into Ottoman Empire, sparking yet another war.

Bayazid strikes back.

The Naples and Rhodeans with Spanish naval backing eventually jump into the fray in a bid for Jerusalem. They get there first as the Ottomans are fighting the main Mameluke/Usurper force in Syria.

The Neapolitans and Rhodeans take Lebanon and the Palastinian coast, get to Jerusalem first. Rather than add more enemies to his bill, Bayazid agrees to Jerusalem being an 'Open City' with himself and the King of Naples as 'Protectors', and the Knights allowed to establish a Commandry in the city. The Neapolitans are allowed to remain in Lebanon/Coastal Palestine for now....

The Ottomans continue on to take Egypt. They acknowledge the Alodi who have thrown off the Mameluke in the South, and accede to the Granadians in Tunis as the Ottomans are already a bit extended.

An unsteady peace ensues until after the death of Bayazid, though clearly it is likely that the Ottomans will move on the Europeans at some point.

How about that?

[Keenir]

See below.

that's only one. from how you were talking, I thought there were several selectons. (thus confirming I was right to ask which were canidates)

[Glen]

that's only one. from how you were talking, I thought there were several selectons. (thus confirming I was right to ask which were canidates)

That is the most recent version, growing out of YOUR input, one that both Tom Veil and Mess have endorsed as acceptable if you and I accept it.

Before this one, I had suggested that the Europeans get Lebanon and Jerusalem and you get the rest of the Mameluke sans Alodi, with the plan being for you to then be consolidating your gains and preparing to fight for Jerusalem.

Before that, it was the Europeans taking Lebanon and Jerusalem and you taking the rest of the Levant plus the Arabian coast of the Red Sea including Mecca and Medina, and as part of the peace requiring the Mamelukes to pay a tribute to the Ottomans in part of food supplies to the Arabian sections.

[Keenir]

That is the most recent version, growing out of YOUR input, one that both Tom Veil and Mess have endorsed as acceptable if you and I accept it.

then what's the problem?

btw, I asked for canidates for the final vote - I did not ask for a play-by-play of everything ever discussed.

Before this one, I had suggested that the Europeans get Lebanon and Jerusalem and you get the rest of the Mameluke sans Alodi, with the plan being for you to then be consolidating your gains and preparing to fight for Jerusalem.

Before that, it was the Europeans taking Lebanon and Jerusalem and you taking the rest of the Levant plus the Arabian coast of the Red Sea including Mecca and Medina, and as part of the peace requiring the Mamelukes to pay a tribute to the Ottomans in part of food supplies to the Arabian sections.

fine - then my vote goes to the most recent, as its the only geographically plausible one.





ps: WRONG THREAD FOR THIS. unless, that is, you're telling us you're going on vacation.
:)