Glenish Ecuador Relations (AH.com Planet)

[Glen]

Some proposed principles of international relations with Glenish Ecuador:

- Fair Trade. Trade in legal materials between Glenish Ecuador is fairly free, though all materials produced in Glenish Ecuador and shipped to Glenish Ecuador are subject to Glenish Safety Standards. All items sold in Glenish Ecuador are required to be sold at at least cost, to prevent product dumping. Glenish Ecuadorian regulations require that labor used to produce goods shipped into Glenish Ecuador be recompensed at minimum up to the Purchasing Parity equivalent of the Glenish Ecuadorian Living Wage. An import duty will be applied to make up the difference between the actual labor cost per unit and the Purchasing Parity equivalent of Glenish Ecuadorian Living Wage. Glenish Ecuador respects the right of other nations to do likewise. Any other subsidies or barriers to trade imposed by other nations are required by Glenish Ecuadorian law to be reciprocally applied, though they automatically are rescinded when the other nation does likewise.

- Judicial Relations. Glenish Ecuadorian citizens being held in other nations on charges are expected to be made available to Glenish Ecuadorian diplomatic officials. The same courtesy is extended to other nations when their nationals are held on charges in Glenish Ecuador. We request that Glenish Ecuadorian citizens convicted of crimes while in other nations that are not crimes in Glenish Ecuador be given the option of banishment from your nation back to Glenish Ecuador. This banishment can be either the length of the avoided jail term, or indefinitely. Glenish Ecuadorians who are granted banishment and then return to your nation are considered liable for the crime at that point. Fines will be paid regardless. Extradition of Non-Ecuadorians is available for crimes that are considered crimes in both our nations. However, where capital or corporal punishment is required by your laws, Glenish Ecuadorian highest standard of guilt must be shown in a Glenish Ecuadorian court before extradition is granted. This is the standard used in Glenish Ecuadorian penalty phases for the death penalty, and is very high indeed.

- Military Alliances. Peacetime alliances are available for all nations who share human rights standards similar to or greater than Glenish Ecuadorian standards. These are purely mutual defense. Glenish Ecuador's defense policy is geared towards defense only, first of Glenish Ecuadorian lands and people, then of our allies who share our values. In times of war, Glenish Ecuador will make wartime alliances with other nations who share our foes, even when they may not qualify for a peacetime alliance.

- Immigration. Glenish Ecuador has unrestricted immigration for those who pass courses at Glenish Ecuadorian consulates, embassies, or other accredited institutions in Glenish Ecuadorian Civics, and pledge or affirm to uphold the Glenish Ecuadorian Constitution. Note, once a person pledges or affirms to uphold the Glenish Ecuadorian Constitution, they are considered a provisional Citizen of Glenish Ecuador, and can be liable for charges of treason for acts against the Glenish Ecuadorian Constitution. People who wish to come to Glenish Ecuador as tourists need not go through this process, but may not stay in the nation longer than six months, though an additional six month extension is available on occasion. Those who wish to reside in Glenish Ecuador without seeking Glenish Ecuadorian citizenship for the purpose of doing business or working must have a Glenish Ecuadorian business sponsor. The sponsor can be held financially and in some cases criminally liable for the sponsoree.

[Glen]

Please list here how your nations will respond to these Glenish Ecuadorian diplomatic overtures.

[Agentdark]

What if we agree with the first 2, but not the second 2, since Agentdarkistan thinks that Human Rights is an outdated concept.

[Glen]

What if we agree with the first 2, but not the second 2, since Agentdarkistan thinks that Human Rights is an outdated concept.

They are not linked. Glenish Ecuador takes a principled but nuanced approach to international relations.

[Aozhouhuaren]

I believe such idealistic and ambitious concepts are all linked in a way, and Luongia agrees with all of them and Luongia will try its hardest to uphold those principles. Luongians believe in avoiding as much conflict as possible and in creating strong friendships especially with such a powerful neighbour as Glenish Ecuador.

[Agentdark]

Then PDR Agentdarkistan will be happy to have a trading relationship with Glenish Ecudor

[Grey Wolf]

The Empire of Zusodan would like to know what is understood by Human Rights, whether it has anything of that democratic fallacy in it, and whether it means that the Secret State Police aren't supposed to police everybody ?

Best Regards
Grey Wolf

[Glen]

The Empire of Zusodan would like to know what is understood by Human Rights, whether it has anything of that democratic fallacy in it, and whether it means that the Secret State Police aren't supposed to police everybody ?

Best Regards
Grey Wolf

While we will have to agree to disagree on the issue of democracy, Human Rights has mostly to do with the right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. Particularly not killing or maiming anyone without due process of law.

We would be happy to enter into a conversation on what might constitute Human Rights from the Glenish Ecuadorian perspective.

(OOC: Mostly has to do with whether your nation protects its people from harm by the government or others. Democracy usually goes along with these things, but a Benevolent Despotism could be construed to protect Human Rights as well.)

[Psychomeltdown]

I believe such idealistic and ambitious concepts are all linked in a way, and Luongia agrees with all of them and Luongia will try its hardest to uphold those principles. Luongians believe in avoiding as much conflict as possible and in creating strong friendships especially with such a powerful neighbour as Glenish Ecuador.

Then you shall be the lap dog of Glenish Ecuador, I laugh at the folly of your naivety.


Psymerica believes that such big and bloated nations such as yours should close their boarder, sink their ships, and keep their noses focused upon the happiness of their own people, instead of making nations fear them for their gigantic size and turning rightfully independent nations into their footstools through the use of economic and military pressures.

[Locke]

Then you shall be the lap dog of Glenish Ecuador, I laugh at the folly of your naivety.

Psymerica believes that such big and bloated nations such as yours should close their boarder, sink their ships, and keep their noses focused upon the happiness of their own people, instead of making nations fear them for their gigantic size and turning rightfully independent nations into their footstools through the use of economic and military pressures.

Here, here!

Jeez, Pyschomeltdowwn, you really make Glen sound like....dare I say it?
Like America!:eek:

[Psychomeltdown]

Here, here!

Jeez, Pyschomeltdowwn, you really make Glen sound like....dare I say it?
Like America!:eek:

You can live in fear that one day the Big Bloated Beast might decide that it does not like the fact that you're people aren't like his people and grind your nation underfoot, or you can cast aside your fear and stand, head held high, and scream your defiance.

[Locke]

Now you sound like Iran!:p
Besides he promised he wouldn't be a mean imperialistic oppresor!:D
Nobody can break a promise!

[Ward]

Now you sound like Iran!:p
Besides he promised he wouldn't be a mean imperialistic oppresor!:D
Nobody can break a promise!

Right and I have some nice bottom land to sell you .:D

[Glen]

Then you shall be the lap dog of Glenish Ecuador, I laugh at the folly of your naivety.


Psymerica believes that such big and bloated nations such as yours should close their boarder, sink their ships, and keep their noses focused upon the happiness of their own people, instead of making nations fear them for their gigantic size and turning rightfully independent nations into their footstools through the use of economic and military pressures.

Glenish Ecuador must decline to close our borders or sink our ships, though we will of course keep our noses focused on the happiness of our people.

It is not the policy of Glenish Ecuador to turn nations, independent or otherwise, into footstools. That would be rather frivolous.

[Locke]

Why do members talk all wierd when theyre acting as their nations? Nationalism, I suppose? or ideological pride?:D :p :rolleyes:

[Psychomeltdown]

Glenish Ecuador must decline to close our borders or sink our ships, though we will of course keep our noses focused on the happiness of our people.

It is not the policy of Glenish Ecuador to turn nations, independent or otherwise, into footstools. That would be rather frivolous.

but you did not deny that you will turn Aozhouhuaren's land into a lap dog for your capitalistic debachery. Yes, i know that don't make no sense.

[Aozhouhuaren]

but you did not deny that you will turn Aozhouhuaren's land into a lap dog for your capitalistic debachery. Yes, i know that don't make no sense.

I will deny that Luongia will become a lap dog, merely resisting conflict and wanting to create friendships from cultural exchange and trade does not make one so. Luongia fully intends to maintains its independence and strong democracy, and will fight tooth and nail to defend it.

I believe Glenish Ecuador is a wonderful nation and I have full faith that its intentions do not include conquest. It does not share the evilness and immorality of Psymerica.

[Psychomeltdown]

You may deny and believe what you wish about your neighbor, but let's be honest, your nation has no ability to sustain any kind of independence if it wanted to. The mere physicality of your location prevents you from even forming the idea of standing against what the Glenish Ecuadorians wish for you to think.

You are merely a pup suckling at the side of the bloated monstrosity that is Glsnish Ecuador and you shall be snuffed out by said bloated creature when it decides to roll over.

I merely have a great sense of pity for your people. They shall always be slaves to Glenish Ecuador, chained to it's fickle wants and needs, and destroyed when it no longer feels like playing dolly with your nation.

Run along now, little Luongia, Glenish Ecuador is calling. Snuggle up beside your master and enjoy your lack of freedom.

[Aozhouhuaren]

Continue to enjoy being the international Pariah, psycho. Soon not only your people will be starving and poor, but your ass will be on the streets as well, you will resort to be giving handjobs to foreign diplomats to survive. No trade and isolating yourself from the world will mean no money for that golden throne you've been eyeing to seat your tired hemarrhoid covered butt.

Luongia is a proud nation full of strong patriots full of fight and if it ever comes to war so be it, I doubt anyone would want to take a huge pile of useless burning rubble, so anyone trading with us might as well leave us alone and let us prosper.

Luongia is no-ones lap dog and if our powerful friend suddenly decides to turn on us, then so be it, we will not give up one inch of land, all homes and buildings will have to be razed, all our rivers poisoned, all Luongians dead before surrender even becomes a thought.

[Glen]

OOC: Children, let us keep the banter to a dull roar, and preferably PG-13?:rolleyes:

[Aozhouhuaren]

OOC: Children, let us keep the banter to a dull roar, and preferably PG-13?:rolleyes:

Ah, maybe the Psycho is correct about one thing, my neighbour is trying to use its size and influence to silence the voices.

These discussions are started after all as an outlet of emotions and grievances.

[Ward]

Ah, maybe the Psycho is correct about one thing, my neighbour is trying to use its size and influence to silence the voices.

These discussions are started after all as an outlet of emotions and grievances.

Would you like to join in a treaty with the Kingdom of Ward . We will not want your lands or take your freedom away . We might want a few of your women :D but other than that we will not want anything from your country with out tradeing for it .

[Glen]

Ah, maybe the Psycho is correct about one thing, my neighbour is trying to use its size and influence to silence the voices.

These discussions are started after all as an outlet of emotions and grievances.

OOC: Aoz, please note that that admonishment was specificall made OOC. Don't confuse the Moderator with the Player.

[Aozhouhuaren]

Would you like to join in a treaty with the Kingdom of Ward . We will not want your lands or take your freedom away . We might want a few of your women :D but other than that we will not want anything from your country with out tradeing for it .

Well, well, you're full of charm, aren't you.:p

I would have wanted a trade deal but now I'm not sure with that smart-alec comfort women quip, in Luongia, a woman has the right to choose who she wants to be with and I'm sure if there are good men in the Kingdom of Ward, there will be many Luongian women who will be willing to go. But if you're demanding me to just give them away in exchange for trade , you might as well rip up and burn that treaty.

[Aozhouhuaren]

OOC: Aoz, please note that that admonishment was specificall made OOC. Don't confuse the Moderator with the Player.

sorry, i wasn't familiar with the acronym. What does it stand for. :o I don't know, really.

Sorry to confuse the two.:)

[Glen]

sorry, i wasn't familiar with the acronym. What does it stand for. :o I don't know, really.

Sorry to confuse the two.:)

OOC = Out of Character. When you see that, you know its the person speaking in real life, not any 'game personae'.

Don't sweat it.

[Ward]

Well, well, you're full of charm, aren't you.:p

I would have wanted a trade deal but now I'm not sure with that smart-alec comfort women quip, in Luongia, a woman has the right to choose who she wants to be with and I'm sure if there are good men in the Kingdom of Ward, there will be many Luongian women who will be willing to go. But if you're demanding me to just give them away in exchange for trade , you might as well rip up and burn that treaty.

OOC I was being a Smart A_ _ we would never take a women by force for women in the Kingdom Of Ward have all the rights and reposiblitys that men do . They serve in the military right next to the men and are paid the same as men .

[Grey Wolf]

The Empire of Zusodan has a couple of princesses of the Imperial Dynasty available should anyone wish to cement an alliance by marrying them ? If anyone has an available Princess, we have one Prince of the Empire who would like a wife, although he is head of the Secret State Police !

Best Regards
Grey Wolf

[Agentdark]

To: Zusodan

We would be very interested in an alliance between our two great nations.

[Grey Wolf]

To: Zusodan

We would be very interested in an alliance between our two great nations.

Excellent; I think we're on the other side of the continent to each other, but I'd have to dig the map out of its thread to check - my print out is in black and white and without a PC I don't have a readily available digital copy to hand.

We would welcome any sort of alliance from a strong and distant ally whom we feel comfortable with. Our main armed forces are naval, though we have some good modern tanks and nice cavalry, a few good forts, and the beginnngs of a good airforce. We are very strong in the merchant marine, and would welcome someone to trade with at a distance.

Have you anyone wanting to marry a princess of the Imperial Dynasty ?

Best Regards
Grey Wolf

. . . I might make the Grey Wolf the battle standard of the Empire...

[Jared]

Please list here how your nations will respond to these Glenish Ecuadorian diplomatic overtures.

The Unnamed Alliance is firmly committed to the principles of friendship with all nations.

We believe in strong trading links, with the reservation that existing trade treaties will be given precedence if there is a conflict of interest.

We recognise only defensive alliances; it is right and just to defend a nation which is being attacked, but we do not consider any alliance to be binding if our would-be ally has initiated aggression.

We believe in firm non-interference in the internal affairs of sovereign nations, except where a nation uses "internal affairs" as an excuse to interfere with commerce.

We welcome immigration from people who are willing to adopt the lifestyle and culture of the Alliance member they settle in.

[LightInfa]

The People's Republic of Glenish Ecuador will not allow any Glenish Ecuadorian citizens or materials into our country. If any Glenish Ecuadorian citizen comes into the PRGE they will be arrested and imprisoned for an indefinite period of time. No Glenish Ecuadorian companies will be allowed to conduct business ventures in the PRGE, and we will not make any deals or agreements with the Glenish Ecuadorian government.

We believe that the nations of the world should band together to destroy the great Glenish Ecuadorian menace which seeks to destroy the good and hardworking peasants and workers of the PRGE and other peaceful countries.

[Aozhouhuaren]

The People's Republic of Glenish Ecuador will not allow any Glenish Ecuadorian citizens or materials into our country. If any Glenish Ecuadorian citizen comes into the PRGE they will be arrested and imprisoned for an indefinite period of time. No Glenish Ecuadorian companies will be allowed to conduct business ventures in the PRGE, and we will not make any deals or agreements with the Glenish Ecuadorian government.

We believe that the nations of the world should band together to destroy the great Glenish Ecuadorian menace which seeks to destroy the good and hardworking peasants and workers of the PRGE and other peaceful countries.

But you are Glenish Ecuadorians :confused: :confused: :confused:

Otherwise the Glenish Ecuador would not appear in your nations name.

I thought that you had strong beliefs that you were the legitimate government of Glenish Ecuador, and that in due time you would gather forces to evict the "evil regime".

Although I do not share the same views and I afford Glenish Ecuador great respect and support, Luongia recognises both governments with respect to the Empire the Khan carved out all those eons ago, for without the Khan, there would be no great baptism of fire in Luongia's history.

Please sort this issue out soon and I hope we can soon do business.

King Aozhouhuaren II

[Locke]

So, there are two Glenish Ecuadors?

This could get really confusing.....

[birdy]

The United Anglo Celtic Monarchy (sorry couldnt think of a really good name) also lives by the values espoused by Glenish Ecuador (Glens country).

we are happy to enter into any alliance deals with freedom loving nations and also open our country to free trade with all nations of the world.

we have no standing army yet and our defence force of a few planes and ships is laughable compared to yours, however many of our citizens are part of a trained militia which could hopefully be turned into an army given the right equipment and training.

(so has the game started, what do we do? just post our developments?)

[Glen]

The People's Republic of Glenish Ecuador will not allow any Glenish Ecuadorian citizens or materials into our country. If any Glenish Ecuadorian citizen comes into the PRGE they will be arrested and imprisoned for an indefinite period of time. No Glenish Ecuadorian companies will be allowed to conduct business ventures in the PRGE, and we will not make any deals or agreements with the Glenish Ecuadorian government.

We believe that the nations of the world should band together to destroy the great Glenish Ecuadorian menace which seeks to destroy the good and hardworking peasants and workers of the PRGE and other peaceful countries.

But you are Glenish Ecuadorians :confused: :confused: :confused:

Otherwise the Glenish Ecuador would not appear in your nations name.

I thought that you had strong beliefs that you were the legitimate government of Glenish Ecuador, and that in due time you would gather forces to evict the "evil regime".

Although I do not share the same views and I afford Glenish Ecuador great respect and support, Luongia recognises both governments with respect to the Empire the Khan carved out all those eons ago, for without the Khan, there would be no great baptism of fire in Luongia's history.

Please sort this issue out soon and I hope we can soon do business.

King Aozhouhuaren II

Excuse me. Did LightInfa just make a declaration of war?

Not wishing any contact with our nation is one thing, and certainly your privilege. Calling for the destruction of our nation is quite another.

Think carefully before you answer that question.

[Aozhouhuaren]

Excuse me. Did LightInfa just make a declaration of war?

Not wishing any contact with our nation is one thing, and certainly your privilege. Calling for the destruction of our nation is quite another.

Think carefully before you answer that question.

Why am I involved?

I only wished to point out that I respect both nations in regards to their sovereignty. And that if both took the path of diplomacy, I would happily trade with both great nations

King Aozhouhuaren II

[Psychomeltdown]

Why am I involved?

I only wished to point out that I respect both nations in regards to their sovereignty. And that if both took the path of diplomacy, I would happily trade with both great nations

King Aozhouhuaren II

Bah, you would bend over backward for either nation and cower at their feet if they commanded you do so.

Director General Psychomeltdown.

[Aozhouhuaren]

Bah, you would bend over backward for either nation and cower at their feet if they commanded you do so.

Director General Psychomeltdown.

I'm not doing the bending over, from what I've heard, Dear General, you are the one who has been doing the bending over and kneeling in order for other nations to continue trade with your evil, disgusting, despotic regime.

King Aozhouhuaren II

[Glen]

Why am I involved?

I only wished to point out that I respect both nations in regards to their sovereignty. And that if both took the path of diplomacy, I would happily trade with both great nations

King Aozhouhuaren II

We have nothing but respect for you and your people. We included your sage words in the reply to emphasize them, nothing else.

[Locke]

Err, I still don't understand: There are two Glenish Ecuadors?!?!:confused:
And they just declared war on each other?:confused: People, the game hasn't even started! This justs gets more confusing by the post.:(

[Aozhouhuaren]

Err, I still don't understand: There are two Glenish Ecuadors?!?!:confused:
And they just declared war on each other?:confused: People, the game hasn't even started! This justs gets more confusing by the post.:(

OOC: I started this fun litle history installment series in the main thread, but a lot of the things no longer make sense anymore with more things about the game being worked out. However one thing that seemed to stick was a history installment I did about Glenish Ecuador splitting. LightInfa especially liked the idea and took the name of the Peoples Republic of Glenish Ecuador.

[Ran Exilis]

- Military Alliances. Peacetime alliances are available for all nations who share human rights standards similar to or greater than Glenish Ecuadorian standards. These are purely mutual defense. Glenish Ecuador's defense policy is geared towards defense only, first of Glenish Ecuadorian lands and people, then of our allies who share our values. In times of war, Glenish Ecuador will make wartime alliances with other nations who share our foes, even when they may not qualify for a peacetime alliance.

I, Archon Ran Exilis of Rania, have a question concerning the defenitions of human rights that are used by Glenish Ecuador...

Exactly what is the stance of the government of Glenish Ecuador on the caste system that is found in Ranian society in perspective of the human rights that Glenish Ecuador adheres?

We would just like to know wether this could have any effect on any diplomatic relations between our countries...

[LightInfa]

Excuse me. Did LightInfa just make a declaration of war?

Not wishing any contact with our nation is one thing, and certainly your privilege. Calling for the destruction of our nation is quite another.

Think carefully before you answer that question.

The PRGE does not care how the evil and false rulers of Glenish Ecuador interpret our message. Just remember that we shall fight you on the beaches, we shall fight you on the landing grounds, we shall fight you in the fields and in the streets, we shall fight you in the hills, and we shall never surrender.

[Locke]

This could get ugly....

Well, boys, its locke and load time!

He, he get it? Locke and load!:p

[Agentdark]

The Peoples Democratic Republic of Agentdarkistan, while it will not declare war at this time, expresses it's utmost respect and support to the Government of Peoples Republic Glenish Ecuador. Any civilians of PRGE, will be given refuge in our state, and we will send food and medical supplies to the PRGE.
(OOC:Well, acually, every box of Potatoes will come with a box of hand grenades inside, but shhhhhhhh)

[Jared]

The Unnamed Alliance would like to affirm its universal commitment to peace, friendship and amity between nations. We will do our utmost to mediate and help resolve any differences between the two Glenish Ecuadors.

However, if war most tragically breaks out, we assert our rights as neutrals and a commercial power to maintain trade links with any and all nations of our choice.

[Aozhouhuaren]

We are horrified at the turn of events and although our stance is similar to that of Jareds, I am disgusted at how this has descended into war-mongering.

We are dedicated to finding a solution through mediation and peaceful co-operation. We recognise both nations rights to exist for reasons already specified.

However we are strongly dedicated to pacifism and will only enter conflict if it involves our own defense, we will send medical aid and food, but from the moment all-out war is declared, considered Luongias trade with both nations cancelled.

The days when the Khan was ruling were horrific but at least he had the balls and intelligence to keep that whole empire together.

King Aozhouhuaren II

[Glen]

After much consideration, the present position of Glenish Ecuador with regard to the People's Republic is to ignore them.

[CaRL]

We are horrified at the turn of events and although our stance is similar to that of Jareds, I am disgusted at how this has descended into war-mongering.

We are dedicated to finding a solution through mediation and peaceful co-operation. We recognise both nations rights to exist for reasons already specified.

However we are strongly dedicated to pacifism and will only enter conflict if it involves our own defense, we will send medical aid and food, but from the moment all-out war is declared, considered Luongias trade with both nations cancelled.

The days when the Khan was ruling were horrific but at least he had the balls and intelligence to keep that whole empire together.

King Aozhouhuaren II

Same here.

[Ran Exilis]

The Empire of Zusodan has a couple of princesses of the Imperial Dynasty available should anyone wish to cement an alliance by marrying them ? If anyone has an available Princess, we have one Prince of the Empire who would like a wife, although he is head of the Secret State Police !

Best Regards
Grey Wolf

Telegram to Zusodan,
from the Most Serene Archanate of Rania.

We are quite interested in an alliance, and, provided that there is still a prince available for marriage, we are willing to provide a princess.

At the moment, princess Tiya Utego Dagon, who is a member of the last ruling dynasty of Rania, is still available and she is willing to marry a worthy prince.

And if the empire of Zusodan still has any princesses available, prince Dervidas Arda Dagon, also a member of the prestigious Dagon dynasty, is also looking for a wife.