1493 Domestic Events

[Glen]

For draft events and discussion thereof for events that involve only territories and peoples under the supervision of a single participant. Can only be objected to on plausibility grounds.

[Glen]

Events up until 1499 are now open.

[AJNolte]

First and foremost, the link to this thread on the reference thread is taking me to the international thread for some reason.

1493: Henry, second son of duke Albert of Saxony, is attacked by bandits while riding to Leibsig. After reportedly praying to God for deliverance, Henry is rescued by a party of armsman in service to his father. Henry thanks God for his deliverance, and promptly announces his intention to enter the priesthood. His father and brother are shocked, but they will not go against a calling from God. So Henry enters the priesthood, thus taking him out of the Albertine succession.

[Glen]

First and foremost, the link to this thread on the reference thread is taking me to the international thread for some reason.

Sorry. My internet access was acting funky when I was editing those in, and it must have pasted in the previous thread ID. It should be fixed now. Thanks for letting us know.


1493: Henry, second son of duke Albert of Saxony, is attacked by bandits while riding to Leibsig. After reportedly praying to God for deliverance, Henry is rescued by a party of armsman in service to his father. Henry thanks God for his deliverance, and promptly announces his intention to enter the priesthood. His father and brother are shocked, but they will not go against a calling from God. So Henry enters the priesthood, thus taking him out of the Albertine succession.

Why would they be shocked? Younger sons going into the priesthood happened all the time back then. And would joining the priesthood take him out of the line of succession?

Otherwise, seems like a good entry.

[AJNolte]

Sorry. My internet access was acting funky when I was editing those in, and it must have pasted in the previous thread ID. It should be fixed now. Thanks for letting us know.



Why would they be shocked? Younger sons going into the priesthood happened all the time back then. And would joining the priesthood take him out of the line of succession?

Otherwise, seems like a good entry.

Henry's OTL reputation was not particularly decisive (in fact most accounts describe him as rather inert). So this change would be somewhat unexpected for him.
It may not take him out of the succession per sey, but it will problematize his inheritance, as now he can't have sons to inherit after him. I don't know of any instances where a younger son who entered the clergy inherited, but this is not to say it's impossible.

[Glen]

Henry's OTL reputation was not particularly decisive (in fact most accounts describe him as rather inert). So this change would be somewhat unexpected for him.

Maybe note that more in the event, then?


It may not take him out of the succession per sey, but it will problematize his inheritance, as now he can't have sons to inherit after him. I don't know of any instances where a younger son who entered the clergy inherited, but this is not to say it's impossible.

In your altered timeline, would he stand to inherit had he not entered the priesthood?

If so, then we need to look into whether this would really have removed him from the line of inheritance. If not, then its superfluous and we are best served by taking it out so as not to raise objections.

Alternatively, while priesthood may not have taken him out of the line of succession, joining a monastery very well might have as several monastic orders had to renounce worldly possessions.

That also might have been more shocking to his family, if you want to keep that bit.

Anyone more knowlegable about pre Reformation priestly and monastic effects on succession want to chime in here?

[General_Paul]

Domestic Reforms for the Ming Dynasty

1493: The news of most importance to the Empire of the Great Ming is the birth of a new son, Zhu Houcong (In OTL Zhu Houcong would be born in 1507 and inherit after the death of the emperor's first son, Zhu Houzhao, the Zhengde Emperor, who was his first cousin). The birth of Zhu Houcong, who survived birth and the dangerous first few months of life, has marked a turning point in imperial affairs. With two sons who have lived and who can now inherit the throne, the Hongzhi Emperor no longer can make his decision on imperial inheritence on birth status alone. Talent and virtue must now play a role in inheritence.

[The Sicilian]

NAPLES:
1493: Renaissance sculptor Francesco Laurana returns to Naples from France. He is commissioned to build a statue of King Ferrante (Ferdinand I). A medical school is built in Salerno to attract doctors and scientists from across Europe

1494: Ferrante dies. His son Alfonso II is crowned. He manages to relieve tensions with Milan.
Royal marriages are established between the two nations.

[Keenir]

PALATINE:
I, Philip the Upright, lord of my third of the Hansa, and the Rhenish Elector, do in the year of our Lord 1495, offer the hand of my daughter Elisabeth in marriage to the son of my good friend, the lord of the Wendish lands...

[Glen]

Domestic Reforms for the Ming Dynasty

1493: The news of most importance to the Empire of the Great Ming is the birth of a new son, Zhu Houcong (In OTL Zhu Houcong would be born in 1507 and inherit after the death of the emperor's first son, Zhu Houzhao, the Zhengde Emperor, who was his first cousin). The birth of Zhu Houcong, who survived birth and the dangerous first few months of life, has marked a turning point in imperial affairs. With two sons who have lived and who can now inherit the throne, the Hongzhi Emperor no longer can make his decision on imperial inheritence on birth status alone. Talent and virtue must now play a role in inheritence.

So I take it this Zhu Houcong is a brother born years earlier and given the name that the OTL person would have been IOTL at a later date, yes?

Was there a pregnancy IOTL that failed, or is this a completely new pregnancy?

I'd advice giving a more specific date for the birth, either based on a pregnancy succeeding where IOTL it failed, or if a new pregnancy, then with a birthdate in early 1494 (with a POD no earlier than March 15, 1493, a full term pregnancy would be in early February of 1494 most likely).

[Glen]

NAPLES:
1493: Renaissance sculptor Francesco Laurana returns to Naples from France. He is commissioned to build a statue of King Ferrante (Ferdinand I).

He was in France at the time of March 15, 1493? Did he come back to Naples IOTL? You may need to check with our French participant to get agreement on him returning as an international event....hmmm, from wikipedia, it appears he stayed in France IOTL. Definitely need to get this okayed by our French player first. Send him a PM if you will to let him know, eh? Also post this event in International Events.

A medical school is built in Salerno to attract doctors and scientists from across Europe.

Is this one related to the bit about Laurana? Otherwise, I advise making it a separate event.


1494: Ferrante dies. His son Alfonso II is crowned. He manages to relieve tensions with Milan. Royal marriages are established between the two nations.


Since you control both Milan and Naples, this posting is good except for questions of plausibility. Ferrante's death and Alfonso's coronation are OTL. It was Ludovico Sforza who was the one threatening relations between Naples and Milan. I think for you to accomplish the end of dynastic marriages and relieving tension, you need to do more on the Milanese side, not the Neapolitan history. BTW, I think this can be done, but you need to do something with Milan, and it needs to be done probably in later 1493.

Now then, killing off Lodovico has all sorts of possibilities....;)

[Glen]

PALATINE:
I, Philip the Upright, lord of my third of the Hansa, and the Rhenish Elector, do in the year of our Lord 1495, offer the hand of my daughter Elisabeth in marriage to the son of my good friend, the lord of the Wendish lands...

Umm, what is this?:)

[The Sicilian]

He was in France at the time of March 15, 1493? Did he come back to Naples IOTL? You may need to check with our French participant to get agreement on him returning as an international event....hmmm, from wikipedia, it appears he stayed in France IOTL. Definitely need to get this okayed by our French player first. Send him a PM if you will to let him know, eh? Also post this event in International Events.
My bad, I wrote all of the events for each nation together. To the French player; do you really value a renaissance sculptor that much?:rolleyes: They practically grew on trees in this period.


Is this one related to the bit about Laurana? Otherwise, I advise making it a separate event.

Nope, but it did happen in the same year.


Since you control both Milan and Naples, this posting is good except for questions of plausibility. Ferrante's death and Alfonso's coronation are OTL. It was Ludovico Sforza who was the one threatening relations between Naples and Milan. I think for you to accomplish the end of dynastic marriages and relieving tension, you need to do more on the Milanese side, not the Neapolitan history. BTW, I think this can be done, but you need to do something with Milan, and it needs to be done probably in later 1493.

Now then, killing off Lodovico has all sorts of possibilities....;)That brings me to Milan.
1493: An attempt is made on Duke Gain Galeazzan Sforza. The assassin is killed. He is linked to the Duke's uncle Ludovico Sforza. This kind of familial 'tension' is common in Renaissance Italy. Ludovico stil looses his head. (This allows for the good relations I mentioned earlier to be established. Afterall, Gian G. was married to Alphonso's daughter).

I just diffuesed the Italian wars. The Renaissance can continue on it's merry way :D

[General_Paul]

So I take it this Zhu Houcong is a brother born years earlier and given the name that the OTL person would have been IOTL at a later date, yes?

Was there a pregnancy IOTL that failed, or is this a completely new pregnancy?

I'd advice giving a more specific date for the birth, either based on a pregnancy succeeding where IOTL it failed, or if a new pregnancy, then with a birthdate in early 1494 (with a POD no earlier than March 15, 1493, a full term pregnancy would be in early February of 1494 most likely).

Zhu Houcong is a totally new pregnancy. The Zhu Houcong of OTL was the cousin of the emperor, Zhu Houzhao, who succeeded Houzhao after he died in 1521. So, I guess then that I should change the date to a birth in early February 1494, and conception date @ March 15/16, 1493.

[Keenir]

Umm, what is this?:)

my Palatine divergence.

[AJNolte]

Maybe note that more in the event, then?



In your altered timeline, would he stand to inherit had he not entered the priesthood?

If so, then we need to look into whether this would really have removed him from the line of inheritance. If not, then its superfluous and we are best served by taking it out so as not to raise objections.

Alternatively, while priesthood may not have taken him out of the line of succession, joining a monastery very well might have as several monastic orders had to renounce worldly possessions.

That also might have been more shocking to his family, if you want to keep that bit.

Anyone more knowlegable about pre Reformation priestly and monastic effects on succession want to chime in here?
Yes, Henry the Pius would inherit after George died childless. ITTL I want him to not inherit and play a larger role in what might or might not turn out to be a reformation. Having him join a monastery would work. I was originally thinking of making him an Augustinian, but I didn't want to make the parallel to Luther too strong. I'll repost the event.

[AJNolte]

Umm, what is this?:)

That's what happens when two people have three different conversations in the same PM. <g>
I think it should read:
1498: Philip, elector count Palatine, gives his daughter Elizabeth in marriage to Frederick III, elector of Saxony.
Keenir and I were talking Hansa and electorate marriages in the same message and I'm afraid wires got crossed.

[AJNolte]

1493-4: the worst trading year in the history of the Hanseatic League makes the often fractious league members realize that some serious changes must be made. The Dutch and Danes are severely denting Hansa's trade, and the inability of the Hansa cities to act together further exacerbates this problem. A great council of all the Hansa is called in Luebeck. Most of the ramifications will be teased out in the international thread over the next few days. However, a few of them are strictly domestic.
1. The Wendish free cities, led by Luebeck, Hamburg and Bremen agree to a federation which will allow them to combine their military forces and guarantee complete free trade between the Wendish free cities. There is some discussion of some of the Prussian free cities joining as well and a strong defensive alliance with the Teutonic knights is established. While the Rhenish free cities do not join outright, they endorse the other recommendations of the council.
2. An offer to the Italian free city of Ostia to join the Hansa is extended via the Teutonic grand master, who retains the closest connection of all the Hansa representatives with the Pope.
3. The Hanseatic League, in conjunction with the Teutonic Knights, announce their purpose to send an exploratory mission to the new world, with the purposes of converting the natives and establishing networks of trade.

Other aspects will be covered in international events.

[AJNolte]

As mentioned in international events, Cem landed in early 1495 in Spain, a nd there began trying to form an army of Moors. Many disaffected Spanish Muslims flocked to Cem's banner, and panick was spread throughout Aragon and Castile as Cem declared himself Emir of Andalusia. However, Cem's success was to be short-lived. King Firdinand and Queen Isabella massed a Spanish army and brought Cem to battle outside Grinada, defeating him and sending him in shackles back to Rhodes.

This rebellion proved to Firdinand and Isabella that Muslims could not be allowed to remain in Spain. With this in mind, the king and queen offered all the Moors of Spain a simple choice: convert or leave. Conversion was to be made via an affirmation that "There is one God, Jesus is his son and Mohammed is not his prophet" and the consumption of pork and whine by the perspective convert. Due to the stringency of this demand, most Moors left Spain for more receptive countries.

Interestingly, this incident appears to have led to a slight softening of attitudes where the Jews were concerned. The Jewish converts remaining in Spain failed to answered Cem's call to them to "throw off the Christian oppressors", leading the King and Queen of Spain to believe that they had little to fear from them, at least compared to the Muslims. The inquisition was directed to ignore the Jews in favor of searching out suspected apostates among the Muslims.

[Glen]

My bad, I wrote all of the events for each nation together. To the French player; do you really value a renaissance sculptor that much?:rolleyes: They practically grew on trees in this period.


Nope, but it did happen in the same year.

Please re-write as separate events. Put your sculptor in the International section, keep your medical school here.



That brings me to Milan.
1493: An attempt is made on Duke Gain Galeazzan Sforza. The assassin is killed. He is linked to the Duke's uncle Ludovico Sforza. This kind of familial 'tension' is common in Renaissance Italy. Ludovico stil looses his head. (This allows for the good relations I mentioned earlier to be established. Afterall, Gian G. was married to Alphonso's daughter).

I just diffuesed the Italian wars. The Renaissance can continue on it's merry way :D

Ah, much better....although, some exposition explaining why Ludovico decided to do this ITTL when he did not IOTL would firm it up.

Overall, though, I like it a lot.:cool:

[Keenir]

That's what happens when two people have three different conversations in the same PM. <g>
I think it should read:
1498: Philip, elector count Palatine, gives his daughter Elizabeth in marriage to Frederick III, elector of Saxony.

agreed.


Keenir and I were talking Hansa and electorate marriages in the same message and I'm afraid wires got crossed.

sorry.

[marl_d]

Russia/Muscovy 1493-1499


July 1493 - after the Great Fire Ivan declares that no new building is to be built out of wood or other burnable materials in any part of the city which left a large part of the old portion of the city destroyed. 240 meters around the Kremlin are left open for the market area, but they must not be permanent and easily for transport

In the OTL only the area around the Kremlin was wooden structures forbidden, this change will limit the destruction caused in any siege later on and limit the spread of fire.

1497-Sudebnik of 1497 is slightly changed from article 57, which requires a peasant to pay his lord a certain fee in the week before or the week after St. George's day if he is to have the right to move elsewhere
to removing the fee but stipulating that peasants could ONLY move during the week before and after the Fall St. George's day, and with permission of both Landowners.

While the Law doesn't require the fee, many Landlords demand it in order for the Peasant to move. this allows more movement of peasants and increases settlement in the annex territories Ivan has claimed during his reign.

[Glen]

Zhu Houcong is a totally new pregnancy. The Zhu Houcong of OTL was the cousin of the emperor, Zhu Houzhao, who succeeded Houzhao after he died in 1521. So, I guess then that I should change the date to a birth in early February 1494, and conception date @ March 15/16, 1493.

I'd change it to a date in late February to give some extra wiggle room, and pick a specific one. But yeah. That doesn't mess you up in any way, does it?

[The Sicilian]

Please re-write as separate events. Put your sculptor in the International section, keep your medical school here.



Ah, much better....although, some exposition explaining why Ludovico decided to do this ITTL when he did not IOTL would firm it up.

Overall, though, I like it a lot.:cool:
:)Thanks! About Ludovico: The Holy Mother of All Knowledge St. Wikipedia of (Jimbo) Wales says that it was widely believed IOTL that Gian was poisoned by a royal physician. It was also widely believed that his Uncle Louy was behind said poisoning.

Bah! I won't allow me to edit my first post!

[General_Paul]

I'd change it to a date in late February to give some extra wiggle room, and pick a specific one. But yeah. That doesn't mess you up in any way, does it?

The date doesn't mess me up in any way. I'm just trying to give the Ming a fighting chance in the long term, so a few days here or there on births won't be too bad.

[Glen]

:)Thanks! About Ludovico: The Holy Mother of All Knowledge St. Wikipedia of (Jimbo) Wales says that it was widely believed IOTL that Gian was poisoned by a royal physician. It was also widely believed that his Uncle Louy was behind said poisoning.

Bah! I won't allow me to edit my first post!

That's okay, just post it again. When was Gian poisoned OTL? Anyway, sounds like you've got enough for it to go through.

I for one am glad to hear that you are averting the Italian Wars.:)

[Glen]

The date doesn't mess me up in any way. I'm just trying to give the Ming a fighting chance in the long term, so a few days here or there on births won't be too bad.

Hmmm, your heir apparent's birthdate is around the time of the New Year...I wonder whether he is born on an auspicious date...:D

BTW, my oldest daughter was born on the Summer Solstice in the year of Yang Metal Dragon.

Think that means anything?:D

[The Sicilian]

That's okay, just post it again. When was Gian poisoned OTL? Anyway, sounds like you've got enough for it to go through.

I for one am glad to hear that you are averting the Italian Wars.:)
According to the previously mentioned Saint he died on Oct. 21 1494.

Revised domestic events for Naples:
1493: A medical school is built in Salerno to attract doctors and scientists from across Europe.
1494: Ferrante dies. His son Alfonso II is crowned. He manages to diffuse tensions with Milan. Royal marriages are established between the two nations.
1495: To refill the treasury and reform his national bureaucracy, the new King encourages wealthy Jewish bureaucrats and government officials to set up shop in Naples.

[Glen]

According to the previously mentioned Saint he died on Oct. 21 1494.

Revised domestic events for Naples:
1493: A medical school is built in Salerno to attract doctors and scientists from across Europe.
1494: Ferrante dies. His son Alfonso II is crowned. He manages to diffuse tensions with Milan. Royal marriages are established between the two nations.
1495: To refill the treasury and reform his national bureaucracy, the new King encourages wealthy Jewish bureaucrats and government officials to set up shop in Naples.


Bureaucrats and officials?

[The Sicilian]

Bureaucrats and officials?
Yeah, you're right. Much too early for centralized burocracy. However, Naples is in need for economic reform, as the treasury is somewhat broken.

[Glen]

Yeah, you're right. Much too early for centralized burocracy. However, Naples is in need for economic reform, as the treasury is somewhat broken.

That's not the problem so much as, are you asking for Jewish bureaucrats and Jewish government officials to come to your nation, or asking Jews to come to your nation to become bureaucrats and government officials?

[The Sicilian]

That's not the problem so much as, are you asking for Jewish bureaucrats and Jewish government officials to come to your nation, or asking Jews to come to your nation to become bureaucrats and government officials?
Both of them, hopefully.

[Tom Veil]

[I'm putting this in "domestic" because it only affects nations that I control and minor NPCs. I believe that the only other claims in North America north of Mexico are Ramiero's Powhatan and PA Dutch's Micmac and Oglala. I will PM them.]


April 1493: The Seneca send out scouting parties to found new villages in the fertile lands to the south that have been abandoned after the recent wars. They set up a string of tiny farming communities at Kinzua Rapids (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kinzua_Dam).
June 1493: The Susquehanna get word of the Seneca’s expansion and send out their own scouts. They will eventually set up several small fishing and trading posts along the Juniata River (http://www.rootsweb.com/~paperry/perry_indians.htm), pushing the crippled remnants of the Onojutta onto even more marginal land.
December 1493: A bitter winter forces some Cayuga and Onondaga villages to head further south than usual in their search for game, into the lands of the weak Wyoming Tribe (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wyoming_Valley). The Onondaga Eldest – oral tradition holds that it was the legendary Hiawatha – states his opposition, not only because this abuses the last peace treaty with the Wyomings, but also because it may provoke the Susquehanna, whom he calls the “warm blood brothers” of the Haudenosaunee.
February 1494: The Onondaga Eldest calls a Grand Council of All Iroquois Peoples. Stunned by this unprecedented request from the ageing spiritual giant, virtually all of the tribes pledge to show up, including such far-flung bands as the Nottoway (http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/tribes/iroquioi/nottowayhist.htm), Meherrin (http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/tribes/iroquioi/meherrinhist.htm), Erie, Attawandaron, Susquehanna, and the various Laurentian tribes. The faraway peoples of the south, who speak the languages of Tuscarawas and Cherokee, plead that the distance is too great, but most villages send gifts of amulets.
October 1494: The Grand Council of All Iroquois Peoples meets at the Onondaga Council Fire. The Onondaga announce their intention that all Iroquoians should band together into once colossal council. The more distant Iroquoians find this concept preposterous, and it is voted down. According to the oral traditions, Hiawatha then smiles and says, “it is you who have voted.” The legends say that few understood the remark at the time. Later generations know that those who voted against the union had in fact given the union credence by submitting to the voting procedures of the Grand Council.
December 1494: The tiny Stadacona (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stadacona) and Hochelega (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hochelega_%28village%29) join the Haudenosaunee, the only ones to answer the boldest call of the Grand Council. The Susquehanna, however, agree to sit a diplomat at the Haudenosaunee Council Fire. This is enough that the Councilors who doubted such a grand scheme acknowledge that the Grand Council was a huge success.
January 1495: The Grand Council having highlighted the great distances that separate the various tribes, the Haudenosaunee vote to construct new roads connecting the Seven Nations and their neighbors.
April 1495: Construction begins on Great Peacemaker Road. It will run a north-south (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interstate_87) from Stadacona to southern Mohawk lands, and then broaden and improve the existing east-west (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_State_Thruway) route connecting the Five Nations.
June 1495: The Erie begin growing sumpweed and using fish-farming techniques that they learned from tribes to the west. With so many Haudenosaunee devoted to construction, the Erie see profit in trading food to the Seneca for furs.
March 1496: The race to settle the empty lands heats up as the Erie begin an ambitious new settlement, Mahonik (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Youngstown,_Ohio#History). With 1,000 adults, it is the largest of the new settlements.
December 1496: As the builders head to their hunting camps for the winter, the Stadacona and Mohawk are proud to have a crude path blazed all the way to each other’s border villages.
February 1497: Although it taxes their economy, the Susquehanna begin to make a show of strength and expand the trails along the Susquehanna River and up into Haudenosaunee and Wyoming lands. Only a few years ago, the Haudenosaunee Council would have interpreted this as a threat, but in light of recent events, they see that the Susquehanna are silently signaling that they are ready to go in for the kill and split the lands between their two nations.
April 1497: Workers on Great Peacemaker Road begin laying down logs and gravel (http://books.google.com/books?vid=ISBN0813526914&id=flvS-nJga8QC&pg=PR3&lpg=PR3&ots=DvEHtwROGm&dq=%22Ways+of+the+world%22+Rutgers+University+Pres s,+New+Brunswick&sig=tK2dgY-CJ8S2DSeTaMJKKi82Uew#PPP1,M1).
March 1498: Sunflowers begin growing alongside Great Peacemaker Road. Because they are a handy source of protein, the workers had been eating them in large quantities.
August 1499: Great Peacemaker Road is complete.
December 1499: Border skirmishes break out along the Wyoming Valley.

[RCTFI]

August 19th 1493: The Holy Roman Emperor Frederick III dies as per OTL.

September 1943: In Wien, an obscure, but well spoken, priest from a middling background begins preaching about the need to reform the Catholic church. His message is clear and he is charismatic - he soon begins to attract a following.

[Glen]

August 19th 1493: The Holy Roman Emperor Frederick III dies as per OTL.

September 1943: In Wien, an obscure, but well spoken, priest from a middling background begins preaching about the need to reform the Catholic church. His message is clear and he is charismatic - he soon begins to attract a following.

If you are talking Martin Luthor, go ahead and name him here, please.

[Glen]

Both of them, hopefully.

Okay, I get that you want Jews to put into your government and bureaucracy. However, are you looking to get Jews who were part of another government/bureaucracy before coming to you, and if so, from want country/countries?

[The Sicilian]

September 1943: In Wien, an obscure, but well spoken, priest from a middling background begins preaching about the need to reform the Catholic church. His message is clear and he is charismatic - he soon begins to attract a following.
Luther in the Sea of Time:D

Okay, I get that you want Jews to put into your government and bureaucracy. However, are you looking to get Jews who were part of another government/bureaucracy before coming to you, and if so, from want country/countries?
Nevermind. I dont have any sources that list Jewish burocrats and economists in the late 15th century. Besides, I found out that Naples was the refuge of the Abranel banking family and many other Jews until the French invasion and the spread of the Spanish inquisition. This should provide me with enough people to get some economic advisors.

Another event:
1495: The world first drydock is built in Naples, with monetary backing from the Abranel family.

[Glen]

Luther in the Sea of Time:D

If it is him, please put his name in the entry.


Nevermind. I dont have any sources that list Jewish burocrats and economists in the late 15th century. Besides, I found out that Naples was the refuge of the Abranel banking family and many other Jews until the French invasion and the spread of the Spanish inquisition. This should provide me with enough people to get some economic advisors.

Agreed. Works out pretty nicely for you, actually. Please rework your entries to reflect this.


Another event:
1495: The world first drydock is built in Naples, with monetary backing from the Abranel family.

First, this would not be the world's first drydock. Drydocks were known in antiquity, and built in China as far back as the 1000s. This would be the first drydock in Medieval Europe.

Second, I object to you stealing England's OTL thunder by building this drydock!:p You may have the first in Continental Europe.:p :p

Third, the drydock entry probably should be submitted in Science and Technology.

[BBJ1580]

Wampanoag

1493 - The Narragansett, claiming to be responding to an insult (the story, of course, varies widely depending on who it telling it), stage a major, successful raid on the Poccaset, a Wampanoag tribe that lives near the border between the two groups. An overly quick counter attack fails to do much, leaving many young Wampanoags angry. The older chiefs start looking for allies.

1494 - Curious, a powerful Sachem of the Wampanoag sends a few men on the long trek to observe the Great Council at Onondaga.

1497 - The Nipmucs to the west, theoretically allies to both sides in the conflict, hold back the Narragansett from launching a second great raid. As rumors spread, a couple Massacusett tribes pledge to support the Wampanoag if they are attacked again.

[Glen]

Wampanoag

1493 - The Narragansett, claiming to be responding to an insult (the story, of course, varies widely depending on who it telling it), stage a major, successful raid on the Poccaset, a Wampanoag tribe that lives near the border between the two groups. An overly quick counter attack fails to do much, leaving many young Wampanoags angry. The older chiefs start looking for allies.

1494 - Curious, Chief Wamsutta sends a few men on the long trek to observe the Great Council at Onondaga.

1497 - The Nipmucs to the west, theoretically allies to both sides in the conflict, hold back the Narragansett from launching a second great raid. As rumors spread, a couple Massacusett tribes pledge to support the Wampanoag if they are attacked again.

Do you have a historical reference to document a Chief Wamsutta in 1494? If not, I would suggest you simply say something like, "Curious, a powerful Sachem of the Wampanoag...."

[Glen]

[SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman][I'm putting this in "domestic" because it only affects nations that I control and minor NPCs. I believe that the only other claims in North America north of Mexico are Ramiero's Powhatan and PA Dutch's Micmac and Oglala. I will PM them.

Missed one. I have the Mohicans.

[Glen]

Russia/Muscovy 1493-1499


July 1493 - after the Great Fire Ivan declares that no new building is to be built out of wood or other burnable materials in any part of the city which left a large part of the old portion of the city destroyed. 240 meters around the Kremlin are left open

I'd change the bit about '240 meters'. Meters have not been invented yet (and may never, given the timeline changes). You could say "A large area (about 240 OTL meters)" or something like that, if you wish to keep the measure in.

[BBJ1580]

Glen - I wasn't sure of the naming etiquite, and stole a later name. Its been edited.

Brunei
(Note-information about both early rulers and the date of the Islamic conversian are really hazy, and vary depending on what sources one looks at. I'm going with what feels right to me, that OTL the ruler of Brunei converted right after the fall of Malacca)

1497 - Brunei had been exposed to Islamic influences for decades. After a lengthy trip abroad the energetic ruler Bolkiah officially converts and faithfully works to support the conversion of his populous. He also works just at hard at campaigning to increase his market share of the area's Islamic merchant trade.


Sulu and Maguindanao

1499 - Following a particularly good trading year (perhaps sparked by what is happening in Brunei), the ruler of Sulu proposes to the ruler of Maguindanao that the two groups should cooperate in trading with the Chinese who come to the north islands, the better to profit from them. The offer is turned down, at least for the moment.

[AJNolte]

At present, Martin Luther is an eight-year-old boy in Eisleben, Saxony. However, RCTFI has a lot of flexibility, as anti-clericism is very widespread in all the Germanies, along with calls to reform the Catholic church.

[AJNolte]

1496: as per OTL, Juan of Asturius marries Margaret of Austria, but on a trip through Salamanca he contracts a flu. Fortunately for Juan, he is saved by a doctor who recently converted from Judaism. This leads their greatful Catholic majesties to make a rich gift to the University of Salamanca, which will enjoy hightened royal patronage, and in the life of which Juan will be heavily involved. Privately, it also makes Juan question the policy of his parrents toward the Jews, and begins a long process of liberalization in Juan's thinking.

[marl_d]

ok, here's the edited version...


Russia/Muscovy 1493-1499


July 1493 - after the Great Fire Ivan declares that no new building is to be built out of wood or other burnable materials in any part of the city which left a large part of the old portion of the city destroyed. A Large area around the Kremlin are left open for the market area (roughly equivalent to 240 meters in OTL), but the shops must not be permanent and easy for transport

In the OTL only the area around the Kremlin was wooden structures forbidden, this change will limit the destruction caused in any siege later on and limit the spread of fire.

1497-Sudebnik of 1497 is slightly changed from article 57, which requires a peasant to pay his lord a certain fee in the week before or the week after St. George's day if he is to have the right to move elsewhere
to removing the fee but stipulating that peasants could ONLY move during the week before and after the Fall St. George's day, and with permission of both Landowners.

While the Law doesn't require the fee, many Landlords demand it in order for the Peasant to move. this allows more movement of peasants and increases settlement in the annex territories Ivan has claimed during his reign.

[Glen]

(April 16, 1496: Charles II, Duke of Savoy, does not die.)

[General_Paul]

February 18, 1494: Perhaps a sign from the elders, or perhaps not, the empress gave birth to Zhu Houcong on New Years Day, ensuring that his birth would fall under the year of the tiger, under the alchemist mark of wood, his full sign was the Yang Wood Tiger: Strong, yet flexible, good fortune, and generosity, royalty, and cooperation all rolled into one. This was a very good sign for the young prince to be born under, and has been seen by some eunuchs in the court to be a sign from heaven that perhaps he should inherit the throne after his father's death, and not his brother.

1495: Following the birth of his third child, the second to live past birth and early infancy, the Hongzhi Emperor began a series of auspicious tax and bureaucratic reforms. In order to make the flow of revenue much easier into the capital, and to ensure that corruption and bribary were less prevalent, the emperor began to cut out branches of the bureaucracy which he felt were less than worthy of remaining a part of the functioning bureaucratic arm of the Ming Dynasty.

Along with that, increased communication between the bureaucratic departments was encouraged, along with the sharing of records and transactions to allow for greater bureaucratic and imperial oversight into government business.

In a year's time, over 700 bureaucrats operating in the Ming heartland had their positions cut in efforts by the imperial government to smooth out the rough edges in the bureaucracy. The emperor was gracious enough to allow these bureaucrats a choice: Stay in the heavily populated areas, or migrate to the periphery of Ming society. Most decided to stay in the heavily populated areas.

1496: Of the 700 bureaucrats who lost their jobs in the imperial bureaucracy a year before, 200 made their way to port cities and began to set themselves up as business owners, mainly sea trade and the buying of commodities making their way into the cities via the inland river routes. Thanks to their intimate knowledge of the bureaucratic system of business taxation, many of the former bureaucrats turned businessmen were able to hide a large portion of their yearly revenue from the tax collectors.

The tax reforms imposed the year before by the Hongzhi Emperor were beginning to take shape. Land taxes on the middle class were lowered 15%, while taxation of the upper crust gentry was increased 20% to balance out the revenue imbalance, and bring in extra revenue for the imperial government. Along with that, a more uniform system of business taxation was imposed, taxing the yearly revenue of the businesses that was liquid capital, while failing to mention the static capital (commodities) gained during the year.

1497: In the two years since the firing of the 700 bureaucrats and the tax and bureaucratic reforms, government revenue was up nearly 30% compared to the 1493-94 fiscal year. The extra 30% revenue was poured into new infrastructure development, namely the renovation of the great wall, but also the creation of new trade networks into Korea, and the renovation and expansion of the imperial navy. The imperial army was kept at its current levels, considering that no real nomadic invasions had occured in almost a decade. However, the Hongzhi Emperor was not one to sit around and wait forever for an attack to take place, but now was not the time to strike.

For the 1497-98 fiscal year, the 200 former bureaucrats turned businessmen found their profits skyrocketing, up almost 45% from the 1496-97 fiscal year. With the new profits, many of those who owned shipping firms began to funnel their revenue into the construction of newer, faster, and more heavily armed merchant vessels to expand their trade network beyond just the Indian Ocean. Many of the business owners began to use their funds, along with investing in their own businesses, to invest in businesses owned by their friends and partners who had opened up businesses as well since their departure from the imperial bureaucracy.

From these small business ventures, with two or three friends all putting equal funds into the same business in hopes of turning a profit, the concept of a "Joint Stock Corporation" would take shape. While the practice would not become widespread for nearly a half century, its roots have taken hold.

1498: When the 1497-98 fiscal year tax revenues came into the imperial capital at Beijing, the emperor was shocked at what he saw. Tax revenues were at an all time high, up 6% from the year before! However, his court bureaucrats and eunuchs who specialized in monitoring the influx of tax revenue reported that while tax revenues from the upper crust gentry were up 22%, tax revenues from the business sector were down 15%, and continued to show a pattern of decline for the forseeable future. In order to fully tax the business sector, the businesses must be made to heal to imperial demands. In order for the businesses to be answerable to the imperial government, they must be legitimized by the bureaucracy and the imperial court.

Thus it was that in the month of April 1498, the Hongzhi Emperor signed into effect an imperial declaration which legitimized businesses and business ownership (The Imperial Business and Venture Compact Declaration of 1498). Businesses were to be granted "Imperial Business Compacts," agreements between the business and the imperial government to have the private business disclose all liquid and static assets for tax purposes, and in return the businesses would no longer have to pay off local imperial bureaucrats or fear the closure of their businesses by engraged local officials, they would have the full protection and support of the imperial government in Beijing as long as they fulfilled their end of the bargain.

1499: The imperial renovation of the Badaling section of the Great Wall, just north of the capital city of Beijing, has become an effort of love for many of the imperial workers. It is said that when the final stone was laid down atop the guard tower to the far eastern zone of the Badaling section in early January, a single cherry blossom landed atop the tower on the last stone placed. This symbolic event, while most probably just a myth, shows the great promise of prosperity and hope that the Hongzhi Emperor brought to the Chinese people.

By the end of the year, the imperial coffers were overflowing with tax revenue brought in under the imperial business compact, and the imperial government found itself funding new expansions of trade networks, increasing the funding of the imperial navy, and, most importantly of all, the funding of two new Confucian scholar schools in Beijing and Guangzhou to increase the number of diploma-holding scholars within the nation. This has been called the so-called "Confucian knowledge trust," with the emperor personally going to the opening of these new schools and handing out the diplomas to the top 10% of the classes.

[RCTFI]

OOC: The guy in Wien is not Martin Luther, rather he's just a guy who wants to reform the Catholic church from within. Basically, I'm thinking of jump-starting the Catholic Reformation, not the Protestant one. That aside...

IC:

1493-1494: Using funds acquired through a deal with the Wendish Free Cities and some other parts of the Hanseatic League, whereby the Emperor recieves a 1% tax on all of their trade for one year, Emperor Maximilian begins a program of reform within the Imperial military. Mostly this is limited to attempting to organize an effective force of infantry, which he decides to concentrate on since infantry is cheaper than cavalry.
Some attention is given to artillery, but not much - the money he recieves is not very much, and so mostly he concentrates on infantry. This attempt is largely a failure, although it does strengthen the Imperial military to a small degree.
This marks the begining of a series of slow reforms in the organization and training of the Imperial armies.

[Tom Veil]

1494 - Curious, a powerful Sachem of the Wampanoag sends a few men on the long trek to observe the Great Council at Onondaga.


October 1494 -- The Wampanoag are allowed to observe the Grand Council of All Iroquois Peoples. The Council agrees that the Wampanoags are "strange-tongued friends."

[Tom Veil]

April 1493: Sultan Sikandar Lodhi orders a massive Survey of All the Sultan’s Lands & Peoples in the Delhi Sultanate. The Sultan had been looking for a way to solidify his rule, and appears to have chosen to emphasize his knack for administration.
April 1493: Barbak Shah Lodhi interprets his brother’s survey not as a show of strength but as an opportunity for his own advancement. He begins audaciously building and training his army. Sikandar decides to revoke Barbak’s title as Shah of Jaunpur and instead make him Grand General of the Armies. Barbak accepts. Both seem convinced that the other is the fool.
May 1493: Rawat Surjamal, cousin of the Rana of Mewar Raimal, strikes and spits on the Rana’s son Jaimal after an argument. All Mewar is aghast at his rudeness.
June 1493: Rana Raimal has had enough of his sons’ and cousins’ feuding. He sends them all off on “humility quests.” His sons are all sent to religious schools – Prithviraj to a Jain colony, Jaimal to a Buddhist monastery, and Sangramsingh to apprentice to the young Hindu theologian Nanak Dev (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guru_Nanak_Dev). His cousins are given much more humiliating assignments – Rawat Surjamal is to manage a farm, and Rawat Sarangdeo is to manage a construction company. The cousins are furious that they are to be treated so far below their caste, but they know that the alternative is death.
July 1493: Rana Raimal sets about creating a detailed Oligarchic system, based on what scholars have told him of the great administrations of the past. His guiding principle is to make no one man have so much power over anything that he could abuse it for corrupt purposes. For now, this system is just a way to improve Mewar’s government, but it is clear that Raimal has designs on converting it into a far grander system.
November 1495: The Delhi Sultanate completes its Survey of All the Sultan’s Lands & Peoples. The Sultan orders his advisors to each report to him on what the study means for their areas of rule. The survey is quickly becoming one of the greatest bureaucratic projects in the Sultanate in almost 200 years.
March 1496: The Delhi Sultanate’s advisors report on several obvious ways to improve the civil service, tax collection, and the living standards of the common people. The Sultan accepts most of the proposals and takes an active role in carrying them out. This attention to the common people has made the Sultan enormously popular, so he continues to work on domestic affairs and not worry about the extensive resources that his brother Barbak is putting into the military, now the world’s largest south of the Himalayas.

[The Sicilian]

Second, I object to you stealing England's OTL thunder by building this drydock!:p You may have the first in Continental Europe.:p :p

Mwhahaha!:D

1496-9: Naval and commercial shipyards on the drydock are opened. Roads are paved and fortress wall are rebuilt. Naples is generaly renewed, in the most literal sence of Renaissance. This is done with the help of Jewish engineers, architects and moneylenders, who feld from the Inquisition.

[AJNolte]

1499: Elizabeth bears her first son, christened Ernest Frederick. Frederick dotes on his young wife, and his son. Meanwhile his brother John is considering joining the Teutonic order.

[Atom]

1493-ish(unclear OTL): Thupa inka dies. Wayna Qapac ascends the throne, he will spend the next thirty or so years consoladating the empire.

[Keenir]

1497: Nan Madol: Relaying a message from the nahnmwarki to the people, the Nahnken ordered construction to begin on another of the pyramid-like volcanic structures.

[Glen]

General comment. While people are posting some good ideas here, be careful that you are not changing things too rapidly from OTL. Make it plausible, folks.

[BlackMage]

Gowan Domestic Affairs: 1492-1500

The new Karaeng of Gowa, I-Pakere'tau Karaeng Tunijallo'-ri Pasukki' Somba-ri Gowa (henceforth referred to as I'Pakere'tau I, or just 'the king'), was crowned in 1492, as in OTL. Subsequently, Gowan politics split into two predominant factions, or 'parties', each trying to gain influence over the young and inexperienced king:

The 'imperial court' faction, centred on those ministers directly responsible to the Karaeng, who sought an isolationist foreign policy and conservatism. The predominant figure in this movement was the Tuma'bicara-butta ('spokesman of the land', or prime minister) until 1493; after his death, the movement splintered into competing factions. The movement's prime goal was protectionism; they felt that Macassar, the capital of Gowa (and often identified with it), needed to be protected from foreign influences. They can be considered the 'Tories' of Makassar.
The 'noble' or 'parliamentary' faction, centred on the Bate Salapang (the supreme council of nobles, akin to a Parliament). These nobles, eager to increase their own wealth and power, aimed for a program of rapid economic and military expansion. This faction was largely responsible for the Yolgnu Wars, the conquest of Garassik, and the establishment of trading stations on Marege. They also urged the expansion of foreign trade and the liberalising of trade barriers. They can be considered the 'Whigs' of Makassar.In OTL, the conservatives triumphed, delaying Makassar's rise for centuries; by then, the Dutch had gained a strong enough foothold to conquer the region. In TTL, however, the economic opportunities provided by Marege prove sufficient inducement for the triumph of the nobles, who dominated the decade and the rest of I'Pakere'tau I's reign.

[Aussey]

1493-1495: The princess Porâsaia, only child of a major Guaraní community-Chief Abaangui, dies, leaving Chief Abaangui heirless. The old man wanders off in mourning, and is never heard from again. In an unheard-of move, a young man named Kurepi, declares himself a living god, and preforms several "miracles," in various Guaraní communities. Guaraní priests throught all the communities reaffirm his claims. By the fall of 1494, he has formed a large army, and (I use this term vaguely,) united the Guaraní people. He orders a city of "permanent structures," to be built on the coast of the Endless Water, in the coming spring.

1495-1496: The city Sypatupry is built of modest wooden and clay buildings on the Endless Water. Chief Kurepi marries a niece of the former chief, and a son is born. He is named Tupã. The Chief sets a precedence of naming Guaranís after their gods.

In the summer of 1496, Chief Kurepi begins attacking Tupi villages in the hinterlands of the Great Forest, starting the conquering of the Tupi people and lands.

[Glen]

1493-1495: The princess Porâsaia, only child of a major Guaraní community-Chief Abaangui, dies, leaving Chief Abaangui heirless. The old man wanders off in mourning, and is never heard from again. In an unheard-of move, a young man named Kurepi, declares himself a living god, and preforms several "miracles," in various Guaraní communities. Guaraní priests throught all the communities reaffirm his claims. By the fall of 1494, he has formed a large army, and (I use this term vaguely,) united the Guaraní people. He orders a city of "permanent structures," to be built on the coast of the Endless Water, in the coming spring.

1495-1496: The city Sypatupry is built of modest wooden and clay buildings on the Endless Water. Chief Kurepi marries a niece of the former chief, and a son is born. He is named Tupã. The Chief sets a precedence of naming Guaranís after their gods.

In the summer of 1496, Chief Kurepi begins attacking Tupi villages in the hinterlands of the Great Forest, starting the conquering of the Tupi people and lands.

Woah, Aussey's back.:D

Okay, Aussey, first, did you put a claim in to the sign up thread for the Guarani? I don't see it.

Second, where are you getting the names of these people? Are they attested to as living people in this timeperiod in any historical sources? If not, then what I'd ask is that you either 1) not name the royals at least or 2) wait for a generation, so unmentioned 'butterflies' can put these people in a position to do all this.

[AJNolte]

Woah, Aussey's back.:D

Okay, Aussey, first, did you put a claim in to the sign up thread for the Guarani? I don't see it.

Second, where are you getting the names of these people? Are they attested to as living people in this timeperiod in any historical sources? If not, then what I'd ask is that you either 1) not name the royals at least or 2) wait for a generation, so unmentioned 'butterflies' can put these people in a position to do all this.

Glenn:
He put that claim in on the same post wherein he asked for Kongo.

A. J.

[Glen]

Glenn:
He put that claim in on the same post wherein he asked for Kongo.

A. J.

Thanks, A.J. I missed that.

[Aussey]

Thanks, A.J. I missed that.

hmmm...it basically took me forever and a phone call to my friend from Brazil. she said she remembered her grandma telling her a story with these names of tribal leaders from right before the portugese. i can't guarantee it...but, her grandma IS brazillian...(and is named after a Guarani goddess)

[Glen]

hmmm...it basically took me forever and a phone call to my friend from Brazil. she said she remembered her grandma telling her a story with these names of tribal leaders from right before the portugese. i can't guarantee it...but, her grandma IS brazillian...(and is named after a Guarani goddess)

Alright, Aussey. I'll take your word on this one.

[Aussey]

Alright, Aussey. I'll take your word on this one.

where else would i come up with names like those?
i've always favored latin names
:D

and when would i kill off a female heir?
for a male?!

haha.

[pa_dutch]

March, 1498 AD - In response to the threat of the Mohawk, the L'nuk (Micmac) push westward along the Gespedeg (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gasp%C3%A9_Peninsula) ("last acquired") Peninsula and begin intensively scouting and fortifying the borderlands. The Grand Chief of the L'nu has been paying close attention to developments among the Haudenosaunee and gathers with the sakmowk of all seven L'nu districts to decide what to do. They decide to call for a large-scale conference of all five allied nations of the Waponahkiyik Confederacy at their meeting place of Mniku at Pitu'pok (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bras_d%27Or_Lakes).

April, 1498 AD - The Waponahkiyik Confederacy gathers at Mniku to form a stronger alliance, which they all agree upon. It is then that the leaders of the other four nations also take a strong interest in the logographic mnemonic device (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M%C3%ADkmaq_hieroglyphic_writing) used by the L'nuk in their learning, and see a potential in it. For the next few months, work will be done developing a crude writing system based on Lnuísimk "heiroglyphics".

August, 1499 AD - Over a year after the original gathering, the Waponahkiyik Confederacy meets at the largest settlement of the Abenaki, Norrigewock (http://history.rays-place.com/me/norridgewock-me.htm), to sign their first written constitution, outlining a stronger political alliance between the five nations that ellects a representative government similar to the Haudenosaunee.

[pompejus]

1494: Philips of Burgundy turns 16 and takes over the rule of Burgundy from his father who has been regent.

1496: Philips marries Joanna, the daughter of Ferdinand of Aragon and Isabella of Castile, in Lier

1497: Everhard van der Marck, the son of Robrecht I van der Mark, reststarts the civil war in Liege and tries to succeed where his father and uncles have failed, become the bishop of Liege. The current bishop of Liege, Johan IX van Horn, is supported by Burgundy. The Duke of Guelders supports Everhard trying to limit the power of Burgundy in the region.

1498: Everhard troops manage to capture the city of Liege and Johan van Horn. Worried by the prospect of an unfriendly neighbour and encouraged by the prospect of enlargement of his territories, Philip of Burgundy enters Liege with a large force and manages to defeat the troops of Everhard. Everhard is captured in the process. Johan van Horn was restored as bisshop, but the county of Loon, which was part of Liege since 1366, would be annexed by Burgundy. Philips was now the count of Loon.

[BlackMage]

The Birth of the Yolgnu Nation: 1492-1501

In 1493, the Yolgnu existed primarily as a concept; a series of traditions, religious practices, and linguistic dialects, with all those identifying themselves as 'Yolgnu' linking themselves to a particular territory: specifically, eastern Marege (OTL's eastern Top End)

Beyond that, however, there was very little in the way of unity. The Yolgnu were divided into clan groups and bands, who functioned largely autonomously. Without any significant foreign threats, there was no reason for unity-or, indeed, technological developments. So the Yolgnu survived, for tens of thousands of years, largely as they always had.

However, Yolgnu history can be said to have truly begun, from the day the Invaders arrived. The first contact with the traders dubbed generally the 'Macassans' could not have begun more inauspiciously. The exhausted and lonely traders attempted to abduct a party of Yolgnu women; the Yolgnu reacted violently, spearing several Macassans and nearly sinking their boat. Unlike the other Aboriginal tribes of Marege, who generally experienced positive first contacts, the Yolgnu recognised, from the beginning, the threat which Macassan influence posed to traditional tribal culture.

To this end, the Yolgnu began to unify politically, through a series of corroborees and tribal meetings. It was decided to oppose the Macassans, and hopefully to drive them back where they came from. A previously insignificant band 'headman', Djerrkura (note: obviously there are no records of his existence in OTL, but I needed a name and it's a Yolgnu family name, so there's no reason why he couldn't have existed), rose to prominence for his vitriolically anti-Macassan stance. According to legend, one of his sisters was one of those women attacked by the Macassans.

The Macassans had no understanding of tribal borders. As such, trepangers frequently strayed into Yolgnu territory, where they were immediately set upon by warriors. Djerrkura, acting in defiance of tradition, recognised the need to compensate for the vast technology gap. Macassan technologies were adapted for Yolgnu use, and many Macassan ships were commandeered with the help of bribed or intimidated crews. This served as a means for piracy against Macassan traders.

Due to their comparative size (unlike many other tribes in the region, who comprised only hundreds of individuals, there were over two thousand Yolgnu), the Yolgnu came to dominate the burgeoning anti-Macassan movements. Through both ideological sympathy and intimidation, a loose confederacy of tribes began to form, devoted to opposing the Macassans.

The First Yolgnu War of 1499-1501 proved disastrous for both sides. The Macassan invasion force floundered, unable to strike at the Yolgnu, and proved a heavy drain on the Gowan treasury. The Yolgnu, however, faced even harsher conditions. The Macassans' tribal allies, eager to gain favour, committed atrocities against Yolgnu civilian populations, most notably in the Gagadju Massacre. Far more deadly, however, was a virus brought by the soldiers: smallpox. The disease wreaked havoc on the Yolgnu population, killing over half the population, most notably the previously dominant elders. This allowed Djerrkura, already a hero for his guerrilla activities, to gain effective political control over the Yolgnu.

But even he realised that the Macassans could not be driven out. Instead, he decided that to preserve Yolgnu independence, an accomodation must be made. In the Makaratta (treaty) that ended the war in 1501, predictably harsh terms were imposed: the Yolgnu allies were annexed, and they were forced to swear friendship to Gowa. Yet they were granted their independence, and Djerrkura was recognised as bate (prince) of Yolgnu. He quickly set about creating the foundations for an independent Yolgnu state along Gowan lines. A council of elders was convened, to serve a similar role to the Bate Salapang, and the rudiments of a ministry were formed.

However, the Yolgnu still faced formidable difficulties. Their population had been ravaged, the war had led to the burning and destruction of much of their territories, and their population were inevitably beginning to gravitate towards settlements on the coast. However, such challenges remained for another decade to resolve.

[AJNolte]

1494: Philips of Burgundy turns 16 and takes over the rule of Burgundy from his father who has been regent.

1496: Philips marries Joanna, the daughter of Ferdinand of Aragon and Isabella of Castile, in Lier

1497: Everhard van der Marck, the son of Robrecht I van der Mark, reststarts the civil war in Liege and tries to succeed where his father and uncles have failed, become the bishop of Liege. The current bishop of Liege, Johan IX van Horn, is supported by Burgundy. The Duke of Guelders supports Everhard trying to limit the power of Burgundy in the region.

1498: Everhard troops manage to capture the city of Liege and Johan van Horn. Worried by the prospect of an unfriendly neighbour and encouraged by the prospect of enlargement of his territories, Philip of Burgundy enters Liege with a large force and manages to defeat the troops of Everhard. Everhard is captured in the process. Johan van Horn was restored as bisshop, but the county of Loon, which was part of Liege since 1366, would be annexed by Burgundy. Philips was now the count of Loon.

(OOC) probably a good idea to PM people re: marriages just to be on the safe side. No problem in this case. Also: general question. Should marriages go in international or domestic events?

(IC)
Their Catholic Majesties consent to this marriage.

[pompejus]

(OOC) probably a good idea to PM people re: marriages just to be on the safe side. No problem in this case. Also: general question. Should marriages go in international or domestic events?

(IC)
Their Catholic Majesties consent to this marriage.

I didn't realise you had taken over Spain, I had already made a deal with Locke about this marriage. Part of the deal was that Philip wouldn't become king of Spain. I'll PM you about it.

[General_Paul]

Rebirth of the Nomadic Kingdoms: The Timurid Dynasty and Islam (1494-1500)

1494: Since the establishment of the Timurid Empire under Tīmūr bin Taraghay Barlas in 1369 with its capital at Samarkand, the Timurids have been in a position that granted them access to both great opportunities for wealth, as well as a position that placed them between two settled civilizations: Islamic society to the west, and Indian and Chinese society to the east. However, in 1494, the Timurid Empire, and the dynasty itself has been in a state of flux with dynastic rulers claiming legitimacy in Herat and Samarkand. Along with the two heirs in Herat and Samarkand, Abu'l-Khayr Khan (1428-68) and his two grandsons have been moving to organize the Uzbek tribes since Abu'l-Khayr Khan took the throne in 1428. With the confusing and ever shifting alliances of the successor states of Genghis Khan, there is little stability in the region.

In the Timurid Dynasty in Herat, Husayn Bayqarah has been trying to hold the empire together amidst a series of attacks by Uzbek and Kazakh tribal attacks, and failed attacks against successor states in the steppe.

In the Timurid Dynasty in Farghana, a tributary of the Samarkand Timur Dynasty, Umar Sheikh Mirza has been attempting to ready his 11 year old son, Zahiruddin Muhammad Babur, to lead the kingdom.

1495: Umar Sheikh Mirza dies of an infection caused after a hunting trip gone wrong left him with a shattered leg that was a result of loosing control of his horse and being thrown to the ground with such force that it shattered his femur. The 12 year old son of Mizra, Zahiruddin Muhammad Babur, is too young to be an effective leader, yet under the inheritance laws, he must take the throne. (In OTL, Mizra would die in 1498 when Babur was 14 years old.)

With Babur's inheritance, a cabal of his father's best generals and high ranking community leaders, rather than shoving the 12 year old Babur off the throne and out of the kingdom, decided that the best alternative was to kill Babur on the eve of his 13th birthday in February and claim legitimacy on their own, rather than risk his gaining support from the rest of the kingdom.

February 14, 1496: An assasin, under the orders of the cabal, attempts to poison Babur in his sleep. What the assasin failed to notice was the dagger Babur had taken to sleeping with since his ascention to the throne the year before, and the fact that Babur was a notoriously light sleeper. Once he entered the chambers of Babur, he awoke to see the assasin opening a bottle of poison. Babur immediatly drew the dagger from under his pillow and in one swift motion, drove it directly through the heart of the assasin. It is with this gesture of self-defense that Babur uncovered his own strength as a leader. (Babur would not truly become a respected leader until he was driven out of his father's kingdom in 1500 and became ruler of Kabul in 1504).

1496: After the killing of the would be assasin, Babur took it upon himself to uncover who had sent the assasin. After several of the members of the cabal were too careless and mentioned in passing their relationship to the assasin during court conversations, Babur began to systematically hunt down and kill those who attempted to kill him. Their deaths were not a public spectacle. Instead, Babur would enter their sleeping chambers by himself, and kill them in the way that they tried to kill him, with a bottle of poison in their sleep. With some of the married men with families, Babur would not only kill the male, but his wife and children as well, sometimes in grusome manners used to frighten other members of the cabal out of hiding. By the end of the year, the 13 year old Babur had gone from being a frightened, naiive leader who only ruled because of his father's death, to becoming a Machiavellian style leader who used cruelty and violence to enforce his rule.

((OOC: More to come later on...))

[Glen]

(OOC) probably a good idea to PM people re: marriages just to be on the safe side. No problem in this case. Also: general question. Should marriages go in international or domestic events?

(IC)
Their Catholic Majesties consent to this marriage.

Remember, 'International' and 'Domestic' are just clever names I use to denote whether the event involves people and lands completely under your control (Domestic) or that involve people or lands under the control of another as well. As a courtesy, when in doubt, err on placing it in International. Also as a courtesy, consider PMing the other participant(s) involved to let them know about it.

So marriages from people from other participant's regions of control go in international, solely from your own in domestic.

[Aussey]

1493-1497: The Ngoyolese are gradually brought under the control of the Ndongo-Matamba alliance. Ecclesiastically, the Ndongolese king has taken an interest in the new religion being preached by the white men in his tributary-overlord’s kingdom of Kongo.

[Keenir]

1496: Ferghana has a new ruler, now that the prior one has died (the balcony gave out under him). Babur, tutored by his Mongol grandmother, readies both to rule and to marry (the latter not until 1501).

[Keenir]

Rebirth of the Nomadic Kingdoms: The Timurid Dynasty and Islam (1494-1500)
((OOC: More to come later on...))

(OOC: all you had to do, was simply ask if you could have Ferghana; I probably would've agreed)

[General_Paul]

(OOC: all you had to do, was simply ask if you could have Ferghana; I probably would've agreed)


?? I claimed the Timurid Empire! And the other Cha, something or other, nomadic empire, it's listed in the sign up thread.

[General_Paul]

1496: Ferghana has a new ruler, now that the prior one has died (the balcony gave out under him). Babur, tutored by his Mongol grandmother, readies both to rule and to marry (the latter not until 1501).

!?!?!? WTF!?!?!?

[General_Paul]

http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=62919

Notice under the claims thread:

General Paul - Ming China, Chagatai Khanate, Timurid Empire

Just for some clarificaiton...

[Keenir]

http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=62919

Notice under the claims thread:

General Paul - Ming China, Chagatai Khanate, Timurid Empire

Just for some clarificaiton...

also -
Keenir - Ottoman Empire, Ferghana, Duchy of Ferrara, Modena and Reggio, Mantua, Palatinate, Nahnmwarkis, Saudeleurs, Pohnpei

so....how shall we do this?

[General_Paul]

also -
Keenir - Ottoman Empire, Ferghana, Duchy of Ferrara, Modena and Reggio, Mantua, Palatinate, Nahnmwarkis, Saudeleurs, Pohnpei

so....how shall we do this?

This is a bit of a challenge to say the least. Well, I'd like to continue with my ideas for the Timurid Empire, I've got some great ideas. You want to use Ferghana in the long run, or is it just sort of a secondary thing for you? Because, I'm sort of trying to center a Central Asian reformed nomadic post-Khanate kingdom on Ferghana and Herat. I'd say that it'll turn out to be quite influential if given the right set of circumstances...

[The Sicilian]

1498-99: The Abranels are goven exclusive economic rights to the island of Sicily by the crown, as they were the main financiers to its purchase.

[Keenir]

This is a bit of a challenge to say the least. Well, I'd like to continue with my ideas for the Timurid Empire, I've got some great ideas. You want to use Ferghana in the long run, or is it just sort of a secondary thing for you?

I chose Ferghana only because it is the home of Babur, who had such an influence on India.

Because, I'm sort of trying to center a Central Asian reformed nomadic post-Khanate kingdom on Ferghana and Herat. I'd say that it'll turn out to be quite influential if given the right set of circumstances...

basically, I was going to focus on India, crushing the caste system (over the next century or two) while capitalizing on the advances made by the Mughals there. (I considered something in Central Asia, but all I know there, is Afghanistan and a bit about the Uighurs)

a thought - you run Ferghana and Babur, but let me portray one of Babur's sons or grandsons.

[Glen]

I quote all the relevant postings below. Note that Ferghana was Keenir's selection first, and that General Paul at the time that he accepted a diminished Timurid Empire was informed that it did not include Ferghana.

Keenir can do as he likes with Ferghana and Babur. He and GP can work out something to their mutual benefit behind the scenes if they like, but its Keenir's call all the way here.


I believe the Timurid Empire (again a bit diminished from its heyday) is available, though I know that Ferghana is spoken for, if you are curious.

Awsome, sign me up for the Timurid Empire then!

Rebirth of the Nomadic Kingdoms: The Timurid Dynasty and Islam (1494-1500)

1494: Since the establishment of the Timurid Empire under Tīmūr bin Taraghay Barlas in 1369 with its capital at Samarkand, the Timurids have been in a position that granted them access to both great opportunities for wealth, as well as a position that placed them between two settled civilizations: Islamic society to the west, and Indian and Chinese society to the east. However, in 1494, the Timurid Empire, and the dynasty itself has been in a state of flux with dynastic rulers claiming legitimacy in Herat and Samarkand. Along with the two heirs in Herat and Samarkand, Abu'l-Khayr Khan (1428-68) and his two grandsons have been moving to organize the Uzbek tribes since Abu'l-Khayr Khan took the throne in 1428. With the confusing and ever shifting alliances of the successor states of Genghis Khan, there is little stability in the region.

In the Timurid Dynasty in Herat, Husayn Bayqarah has been trying to hold the empire together amidst a series of attacks by Uzbek and Kazakh tribal attacks, and failed attacks against successor states in the steppe.

In the Timurid Dynasty in Farghana, a tributary of the Samarkand Timur Dynasty, Umar Sheikh Mirza has been attempting to ready his 11 year old son, Zahiruddin Muhammad Babur, to lead the kingdom.

1495: Umar Sheikh Mirza dies of an infection caused after a hunting trip gone wrong left him with a shattered leg that was a result of loosing control of his horse and being thrown to the ground with such force that it shattered his femur. The 12 year old son of Mizra, Zahiruddin Muhammad Babur, is too young to be an effective leader, yet under the inheritance laws, he must take the throne. (In OTL, Mizra would die in 1498 when Babur was 14 years old.)

With Babur's inheritance, a cabal of his father's best generals and high ranking community leaders, rather than shoving the 12 year old Babur off the throne and out of the kingdom, decided that the best alternative was to kill Babur on the eve of his 13th birthday in February and claim legitimacy on their own, rather than risk his gaining support from the rest of the kingdom.

February 14, 1496: An assasin, under the orders of the cabal, attempts to poison Babur in his sleep. What the assasin failed to notice was the dagger Babur had taken to sleeping with since his ascention to the throne the year before, and the fact that Babur was a notoriously light sleeper. Once he entered the chambers of Babur, he awoke to see the assasin opening a bottle of poison. Babur immediatly drew the dagger from under his pillow and in one swift motion, drove it directly through the heart of the assasin. It is with this gesture of self-defense that Babur uncovered his own strength as a leader. (Babur would not truly become a respected leader until he was driven out of his father's kingdom in 1500 and became ruler of Kabul in 1504).

1496: After the killing of the would be assasin, Babur took it upon himself to uncover who had sent the assasin. After several of the members of the cabal were too careless and mentioned in passing their relationship to the assasin during court conversations, Babur began to systematically hunt down and kill those who attempted to kill him. Their deaths were not a public spectacle. Instead, Babur would enter their sleeping chambers by himself, and kill them in the way that they tried to kill him, with a bottle of poison in their sleep. With some of the married men with families, Babur would not only kill the male, but his wife and children as well, sometimes in grusome manners used to frighten other members of the cabal out of hiding. By the end of the year, the 13 year old Babur had gone from being a frightened, naiive leader who only ruled because of his father's death, to becoming a Machiavellian style leader who used cruelty and violence to enforce his rule.

((OOC: More to come later on...))

1496: Ferghana has a new ruler, now that the prior one has died (the balcony gave out under him). Babur, tutored by his Mongol grandmother, readies both to rule and to marry (the latter not until 1501).

(OOC: all you had to do, was simply ask if you could have Ferghana; I probably would've agreed)

?? I claimed the Timurid Empire! And the other Cha, something or other, nomadic empire, it's listed in the sign up thread.

!?!?!? WTF!?!?!?

http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=62919

Notice under the claims thread:

General Paul - Ming China, Chagatai Khanate, Timurid Empire

Just for some clarificaiton...

also -
Keenir - Ottoman Empire, Ferghana, Duchy of Ferrara, Modena and Reggio, Mantua, Palatinate, Nahnmwarkis, Saudeleurs, Pohnpei

so....how shall we do this?

This is a bit of a challenge to say the least. Well, I'd like to continue with my ideas for the Timurid Empire, I've got some great ideas. You want to use Ferghana in the long run, or is it just sort of a secondary thing for you? Because, I'm sort of trying to center a Central Asian reformed nomadic post-Khanate kingdom on Ferghana and Herat. I'd say that it'll turn out to be quite influential if given the right set of circumstances...

I chose Ferghana only because it is the home of Babur, who had such an influence on India.

basically, I was going to focus on India, crushing the caste system (over the next century or two) while capitalizing on the advances made by the Mughals there. (I considered something in Central Asia, but all I know there, is Afghanistan and a bit about the Uighurs)

a thought - you run Ferghana and Babur, but let me portray one of Babur's sons or grandsons.

[General_Paul]

Keenir and I agreed to a division of the lands pretty easily, so I apologize if I came off sounding rude. Anyways, he'll RP one of Babur's sons and I'll keep my hands off India, and I'll have control of Farghana and the Timurid Empire and Chagatai Khanate. Sorry about the mix-up, I apologize.

[Aussey]

1497: The Ndongolese king, crown-prince, and nobles throughout Ndongo are baptized by Catholic missionaries from Kongo. The king is christened Emmanuel I, and his son Diego. The Matamban king refuses to be baptized, however, he reluctantly allows his daughter too. Various Matamban nobles are baptized as well. She is christened Isabella.

King Emmanuel orders the construction of a seminary to train Ndongolese men to be priests in the Ndongolese capital of Kabassa. Mass baptisms are beginning to be held daily in the rivers. Meanwhile, Catholicism is spread in Matamba, but is not as readily recieved. Portugese priests meet severe resistance in many desolate Matamban villages.

1498: The Matamban king is killed by a royal guardsman. It is widely thought this is the work of the Princess Isabella and the Catholic Matamban nobility. Regardless, she is crowned "Isabella Ngala," as Queen of the Matambans. She renews the alliance with her father-in-law, now-Emmanuel I of Ndongo.

Shortly after her ascension, the Matambans attempt to rebel, demanding the expulsion of the white priests, in favor of Kongolese ones. At the request of the Queen, King João I of Kongo sends several Kongolese priests to the capital city of Matamba. The expelled Portugese are welcomed by in Ndongo.

1499: Mbanza Ngoyo, the Ngoyolese capital, is captured, along with it's king. The victorious Ndongolese and Matamban forces present the king and captured treasures to King Emmanuel of Ndongo, Crown Prince Diego of Ndongo, and Queen Isabella of Matamba at the Ndongolese capital of Kabasa. Diego and Isabella are proclaimed "Their Hignesses Prince Diego and Queen Isabella, Princes of Ndongo and Matamba, Lords of the Ngoyolese," the beginning of extravagant European-style titles in Ndongo and Matamba.

1500: Isabella of Matamba gives birth to a son, who is baptized by a Kongolese priest, and named João-Emmanuel.

[arctic warrior]

On behalf of Redbeard (and myself :D)

King Hans has the following announcements:

It is my will that a Royal Navy is to be constructed and manned, and fortified Royal Navyyards rasied at Copenhagen, Nakskov on Lolland and at Visby on Gotland.

To the Ditmarskers:

I have come to admire your skills as traders and farmers, and I would need people like you to have my lands prosper, claim new land and rule in my name. I think we should meet to talk it over, and you could in the meantime considder what kind of titles and Royal favours you would like. I BTW have a daughter with my most royal concubine Edele Mikkelsdaughter Ironbeard, and she is so ready to be married. Wouldn't it be propper for us to seal our friendship with a marriage between her and a young man from a good Ditmarsker family?

NB: Don't worry about her mother's last name, that is from her grandfather's family - she is a very sweet thing and richly attributed in a way that surely would have her float upright if she ever fell into one of your canals.

To Rigsrådet (Council of the Realm):
Many loyal and laborious men of the merchant ranks have contributed to the wealth of the realm and I will therefore have a number of these men included in the Council of the Realm. This will not affect the rights and priviledges gained so far by other free men.

[Analytical Engine]

OOC: Not much happening (yet)

1492 – Henry IV of Brunswick laid siege to the city of Bremen[1]
1494 – Henry IV and Eric I of Brunswick-Wolfenbüttel divide the territory between them; Eric becomes duke of Brunswick-Kalenburg
1495 – Eric I of Brunswick-Kalenburg gains the Principality of Göttingen
1497 – Johann III. Rode von Wale becomes Archbishop of Bremen, replacing, Heinrich II Graf von Schwarzburg
1498 – Count Adolph of Oldenburg dies. He is succeeded by John XIV.
9 Jan 1499 – John Cicero, Elector of Brandenburg, dies. He is succeeded by his son, Joachim I.
1499 – Joachim I of Brandenburg marries Elizabeth of Oldenburg, daughter of John of Denmark--
[1] Sorry AJ, but the PoD probably wouldn't change that. :(

[General_Paul]

Rebirth of the Nomadic Kingdoms: The Timurid Dynasty and Islam (1494-1500) (Continued)

1497: With the events of the last year still fresh in his mind, Babur began the long, difficult process of solidifying his power base. Rather than attempting to draw support from the generals and high civilian leaders as his father had, Babur found that going to the leaders of the individual clans and tribes himself and working out deals face to face got him farther with them than going through middle men as his father and predacessors had. The concept of a council of elders, where the elders/leaders of the different tribes would come to Farghana and meet with Babur to discuss important domestic issues, sprung forth in the next decade due to Babur's growing connections with the tribal leaders rather than the old gentry of generals, ministers, and imam's.

Also, Babur found out by the end of the year that many of his uncles were in the planning stages of a coup to remove him from his father's throne in a power grab. With these reports, Babur's paranoia, left over from the events of the last year of dealing with the cabal, grew larger and more prevalent in his decision making.

January-May, 1498: In a five month orgy of bloodshed and inter-familial violence, Babur dispatches four of his uncles who were involved in the plot to overthrow him to take power for themselves, as well as laying siege to, sacking, and burning many cities, towns, and villages where his uncles held sway among the population. It is said that in several villages high in the mountains, none were left alive to tell the grusome tale of slaughter to relief expeditions mounted by Babur's uncles, leaving only empty villages filled with frozen corpses in the winter to mark the trail of death and destruction Babur blazed to secure his legitimacy. By the end of May 1498, Babur had killed three of the four uncles involved in the plot, and had driven the last uncle and his pitiful, starving band out of Farghana and into the Taklamakan Desert in western Turkestan.

[Aussey]

1499: The King of Ndongo begins building of five large Iberic-style galleons, to escort a large diplomatic team to be deposited at the Great Courts of Europe. Portugese-style dress was ordered to begin production, and all the nobility was ordered to learn Portugese, and so forth. All with the help of Portugese missionaries.

[DuQuense]

1499: The King of Ndongo begins building of five large Iberic-style galleons, to escort a large diplomatic team to be deposited at the Great Courts of Europe. .

?Is there any evidence of the Kongonese having any Ship Building trradition?
If not this seems a little quick, People [socieities] don't just adopt major new technoligies like this with out some great need.

It is much more :Likly that they Diplomatics would be sent to Europe in Portuguese Ships.

[Glen]

1499: The King of Ndongo begins building of five large Iberic-style galleons, to escort a large diplomatic team to be deposited at the Great Courts of Europe. Portugese-style dress was ordered to begin production, and all the nobility was ordered to learn Portugese, and so forth. All with the help of Portugese missionaries.

?Is there any evidence of the Kongonese having any Ship Building trradition?
If not this seems a little quick, People [socieities] don't just adopt major new technoligies like this with out some great need.

It is much more :Likly that they Diplomatics would be sent to Europe in Portuguese Ships.

I must agree with DQ here, Aussey. Way too fast. They would hitch a ride with the Portuguese, and buy the clothes, most likely.

Also, what you're going to want to do is send craftsmen along with those diplomatic missions to learn how to build those sorts of things.

Pace yourselves, folks. You don't have to transform your nations overnight. We have decades, even centuries, to play with here.

[arctic warrior]

1493:
King Hans (John) has the Sjaelland Thing recognize his claim to Copenhagen effectively removing the city from the Bishop of Roskilde.
Hans encourage merchants to take up state responsibilities by working for the King and get access to being nobility.

1494:
A commoners member of the chancellery Anders Nielsen is hanged accused of embezzlement - a reaktion from the nobility to the Kings encouragement of the previous year.
The King however decide to continue getting merchants to work for him, if only to get access to their wealth.

1496:
King Hans raises a large army and the navy is commandeered to sea. All Hansa ships found in Danish waters are obliged to supply the Kings ships with two able seamen.
Among the troops raised are the Saxon Guards commanded by Junker Schlentz.

1497:
The Danish army is transported to Scania.

1498:
King Hans issues a declaration which says that every Danish student must commence studies at Copenhagen University for three years before going to study at any foreign University.
The Copenhagen University has an excellent staff of professors and has no lack of students.

1499:
The Ditmarschen support the Arcbishop of Bremen in conflict with King Hans and plunder Ejdersted. In reparations King Hans demand 15000 marks and right to build three castles in Ditmarschen.

Almost OTL, Hans did encourage merchants and commoners into the Kingdoms administration much angering the nobility.
There was a Danish-English trade treaty 1490 ending the Iceland Trade war of 1467. English merchants was allowed into Iceland and the Scania heering market and given generous trade privileges in Denmark-Norway.
The negotiations with Ditmarschen will continue into 1490.

[arctic warrior]

1493:
King Hans (John) has the Sjaelland Thing recognize his claim to Copenhagen effectively removing the city from the Bishop of Roskilde.
Hans encourage merchants to take up state responsibilities by working for the King and get access to being nobility.

1494:
A commoners member of the chancellery Anders Nielsen is hanged accused of embezzlement - a reaktion from the nobility to the Kings encouragement of the previous year.
The King however decide to continue getting merchants to work for him, if only to get access to their wealth.

1496:
King Hans raises a large army and the navy is commandeered to sea. All Hansa ships found in Danish waters are obliged to supply the Kings ships with two able seamen.
Among the troops raised are the Saxon Guards commanded by Junker Schlentz.

1497:
The Danish army is transported to Scania.

1498:
King Hans issues a declaration which says that every Danish student must commence studies at Copenhagen University for three years before going to study at any foreign University.
The Copenhagen University has an excellent staff of professors and has no lack of students.

1499:
The Ditmarschen support the Arcbishop of Bremen in conflict with King Hans and plunder Ejdersted. In reparations King Hans demand 15000 marks and right to build three castles in Ditmarschen.

Almost OTL, Hans did encourage merchants and commoners into the Kingdoms administration much angering the nobility.
There was a Danish-English trade treaty 1490 ending the Iceland Trade war of 1467. English merchants was allowed into Iceland and the Scania heering market and given generous trade privileges in Denmark-Norway.
The negotiations with Ditmarschen will continue into 1500.

[arctic warrior]

1500:
During negotiations with the mayor of Meldorf, capital of Ditmarschen, and Mr. Wolf Isebrandt an agreement is reached.
The Ditmarschen agree to rebuild burned down Ejdersted and pay the King of Denmark one mark a year. The King also get to build one castle in Meldorf. One of the King Hans daughters with his mistress Edele Mikkelsdaughter Ironbeard is promised to marry Mr. Isebrandt's son.
King Hans then returns to Stockholm and Queen Christine together with the Saxon Guards. The Saxon Guards are garrisoned in Stockholm.

[DuQuense]

OOC: The guy in Wien is not Martin Luther, rather he's just a guy who wants to reform the Catholic church from within. Basically, I'm thinking of jump-starting the Catholic Reformation, not the Protestant one. That aside...remembre that the Reformation was a reponse to the Anti Catholicism, and mostly to the linking of the Catholic church to the Antichrist of Revailations.
One of the best tricks the Catholic church has pulled is getting it's Jesuit thout up, Reformation talk about the Antichrist being a Anti Pope sometime in the future, as protestain doctrine istead of the original --Pope is the Antichrist, and the Church is his evil organization.

[DuQuense]

1498-99: The Abranels are goven exclusive economic rights to the island of Sicily by the crown, as they were the main financiers to its purchase.I find this very unlikly, even if the King of Naples was for some strange reason to try this, it would cause a Backlash among his Advisors, and Subjects.
Probaly make 1492 Spain look like a minor Synaque burning.
The Nobility of Europe considered the Jews as a resourse to be plundered at need, and ignored/mistreated inbetween times.
There has been nothing to change that yet . in the minds of most people. The King of Naples in letting Jews settle there is not [OTL present ]Liberal but is being Pragmatic. He needs [to plunder] the Arbenel wealth.

[The Sicilian]

I find this very unlikly, even if the King of Naples was for some strange reason to try this, it would cause a Backlash among his Advisors, and Subjects.
Probaly make 1492 Spain look like a minor Synaque burning.
The Nobility of Europe considered the Jews as a resourse to be plundered at need, and ignored/mistreated inbetween times.
There has been nothing to change that yet . in the minds of most people. The King of Naples in letting Jews settle there is not [OTL present ]Liberal but is being Pragmatic. He needs [to plunder] the Arbenel wealth.
Okay, fair enough. I guess I just got caught up in the anti-anti-semetism.

[Glen]

I find this very unlikly, even if the King of Naples was for some strange reason to try this, it would cause a Backlash among his Advisors, and Subjects.
Probaly make 1492 Spain look like a minor Synaque burning.
The Nobility of Europe considered the Jews as a resourse to be plundered at need, and ignored/mistreated inbetween times.
There has been nothing to change that yet . in the minds of most people. The King of Naples in letting Jews settle there is not [OTL present ]Liberal but is being Pragmatic. He needs [to plunder] the Arbenel wealth.

Okay, fair enough. I guess I just got caught up in the anti-anti-semetism.


Right. In the case of Isaac Abravanel, he was fairly well respected by the Chrisitian nobility. He almost swayed Ferdinand to revoke the explulsion (granted, through bribery in part), and Spain offered to allow him to stay when the others were forced to leave. It was his choice to follow his people. So it would not be unreasonable for the ruler of Naples to have good relations with him. Giving him special economic advantages however does seem to be right out. Its going to be more, "What have you done for me lately".

[Aussey]

?Is there any evidence of the Kongonese having any Ship Building trradition?
If not this seems a little quick, People [socieities] don't just adopt major new technoligies like this with out some great need.

It is much more :Likly that they Diplomatics would be sent to Europe in Portuguese Ships.

We don't have any any Portugese ships! In 1494 the Portugese had returned to Portugal. And the Portugese HAD taugh the Ndongo's on how to build ships...they had hoped the Ndongos would become a Portugese ally, a Europeanized African nation.

Anyways. They aren't necessarily building them, he just ordered construction. We need SOME Europeans to come down here and help us ya know!!!

[Glen]

We don't have any any Portugese ships! In 1494 the Portugese had returned to Portugal. And the Portugese HAD taugh the Ndongo's on how to build ships...they had hoped the Ndongos would become a Portugese ally, a Europeanized African nation.

Anyways. They aren't necessarily building them, he just ordered construction. We need SOME Europeans to come down here and help us ya know!!!

In any event, we're going to have to deny the shipbuilding event as implausible. I recommend that you write a series of events starting now and extending into the early 1500s to have something similar happen at a later date.

[Aussey]

In any event, we're going to have to deny the shipbuilding event as implausible. I recommend that you write a series of events starting now and extending into the early 1500s to have something similar happen at a later date.

alright-y then!

[Glen]

1494:
A commoners member of the chancellery Anders Nielsen is hanged accused of embezzlement - a reaktion from the nobility to the Kings encouragement of the previous year.
The King however decide to continue getting merchants to work for him, if only to get access to their wealth.


Is Anders Nielsen a historical figure, or is it a name you just plugged in?

[arctic warrior]

Is Anders Nielsen a historical figure, or is it a name you just plugged in?

Historical figure - actually it was thought that the Steward of the Royal Household Poul Laxman was the initiater. No proof of course.

[Glen]

Historical figure - actually it was thought that the Steward of the Royal Household Poul Laxman was the initiater. No proof of course.

Good to know. This too probably should be reposted in the Scandanavia Thread.

[arctic warrior]

Good to know. This too probably should be reposted in the Scandanavia Thread.

Actually its done - but its a hard time to keep up with it all at the moment and have a number of other interesting threats to monitor. :D

[Glen]

OOC: Not much happening (yet)

1492 – Henry IV of Brunswick laid siege to the city of Bremen[1]
1494 – Henry IV and Eric I of Brunswick-Wolfenbüttel divide the territory between them; Eric becomes duke of Brunswick-Kalenburg
1495 – Eric I of Brunswick-Kalenburg gains the Principality of Göttingen
1497 – Johann III. Rode von Wale becomes Archbishop of Bremen, replacing, Heinrich II Graf von Schwarzburg
1498 – Count Adolph of Oldenburg dies. He is succeeded by John XIV.
9 Jan 1499 – John Cicero, Elector of Brandenburg, dies. He is succeeded by his son, Joachim I.
1499 – Joachim I of Brandenburg marries Elizabeth of Oldenburg, daughter of John of Denmark--
[1] Sorry AJ, but the PoD probably wouldn't change that. :(

Analytical, how many of these are the same as OTL? Could you put the ones that are the same as OTL in red for me, please?

[The Sicilian]

Milan
1498: Leonardo da Vinci publishes several treasties on various subjects, including anatomy, mechanical engineering and the mechanics of flight.

Naples
1499: Alphonso comissions a fleet of ten carracks and five caravels.

[Glen]

Mesopotamia

1494: Rustam ibn Maqsud dies of a fever.

{1495: Baisonqur ibn Y‘aqub continues to rule the White Sheep Turkomen.}

[KineticBots]

Post of events occurring in Japan between 1493 and 1499:

In 1493, Go-tsuchimikado reigns as Emperor, Ashikaga Yoshitane is Shogun.


1493: Shogun Ashikaga Yoshitane attacks Hosokawa Masamoto over a dispute regarding the accession of a new Shogun following the death of Ashikaga Yoshihisa in 1489. Yoshitane is defeated and exiled; Ashikaga Yoshizumi becomes puppet Shogun. However, the authority of both the Imperial court and the Shogunate is is sharp decline, and the country is plagued by civil war, insurrection, and rife political instability. There is little faith in either the court or the Shogunate and many Samurai are showing aspirations of grandeur.

Hojo Soun acquires Kokukuji castle in Izu (OTL now Shizuoka prefecture), becoming the first 'sengoku daimyo'.

1494: Hojo Soun extends his influence into Sagami province (OTL now Kanagawa prefecture) after taking Odawara castle from the Omori.

(more may come later, although doubtful)

Regards,
KineticBots

[DuQuense]

1497
Death of MUHAMMAD AL-MAGHILI, a renowned theologian from Tlemcen. There are accusations of Assisination, thro nothing is ever proved.

Reflecting the anxiety and alarm provoked by European encroachment, he sanctioned the persecution not merely of Christians and Jews, but also of Muslims who deviated from orthodox practices.

this is 8 yearsbefore OTL, Think of a 1500's 'OBL' He spent his last years getting more and more Vitrious, as the Europeans became moving into the Mararab, during the Reconquestia.

[KineticBots]

Sorry for the fragmented post....

As I mentioned, Japan is in a period of political instability. The time of the daimyo is at hand.

In 1493, Hojo Soun set the precedent for aspiring samurai after he acquired Kokukuji castle in Izu. Following his lead in the next decades many other men will rise from obscurity to greatness at the expense of their former masters, rivals, or even family members.
So here is the rest of my post for the period 1493-1499:

1496: Political authority in the peripheral provinces is in the brink of collapse. In southern Shikoku and western Kyushu, many lords are seriously struggling to maintain their hegemony. However the situation is most volatile in the frontier provinces of northern Honshu, where regional lords have to contend with not only insurrection and rebellion, but the restless Ainu (indigenous people of Japan), who they have been slowly displacing and pushing northward.

Shogun Ashikaga Yoshizumi and his puppet-master Hosokawa Masamoto become increasingly distressed as more and more regions succumb to instabilities.

1499: The Ainu, recognising the increasing inability of the Shogunate to maintain control, launch offensives into Mutsu and Dewa provinces. Towns are raided and prisoners are taken. The Shogunate responds with a plan for a campaign to drive the Ainu out. However, regional lords in Mutsu and Dewa are the ones who show the initiative, recognising the ineffectiveness of the Shogunate.

The Akita clan of northern Dewa and the Nambu clan of northern Mutsu each gather an army to repel the Ainu warriors and 'drive them north into the sea'. Forming an alliance, they move swiftly and aggressively to rebuff the threat. By the end of the year, the combined armies have forced the Ainu back as far as the Oga peninsular.

[Analytical Engine]

Analytical, how many of these are the same as OTL? Could you put the ones that are the same as OTL in red for me, please?

All of them. I'm just not sure how many of them would have changed :(.

I haven't got a real PoD yet.

[General_Paul]

Rebirth of the Nomadic Kingdoms: The Timurid Dynasty and Islam (1494-1500) (Continued)

1497: With the events of the last year still fresh in his mind, Babur began the long, difficult process of solidifying his power base. Rather than attempting to draw support from the generals and high civilian leaders as his father had, Babur found that going to the leaders of the individual clans and tribes himself and working out deals face to face got him farther with them than going through middle men as his father and predacessors had. The concept of a council of elders, where the elders/leaders of the different tribes would come to Farghana and meet with Babur to discuss important domestic issues, sprung forth in the next decade due to Babur's growing connections with the tribal leaders rather than the old gentry of generals, ministers, and imam's.

Also, Babur found out by the end of the year that many of his uncles were in the planning stages of a coup to remove him from his father's throne in a power grab. With these reports, Babur's paranoia, left over from the events of the last year of dealing with the cabal, grew larger and more prevalent in his decision making.

January-May, 1498: In a five month orgy of bloodshed and inter-familial violence, Babur dispatches four of his uncles who were involved in the plot to overthrow him to take power for themselves, as well as laying siege to, sacking, and burning many cities, towns, and villages where his uncles held sway among the population. It is said that in several villages high in the mountains, none were left alive to tell the grusome tale of slaughter to relief expeditions mounted by Babur's uncles, leaving only empty villages filled with frozen corpses in the winter to mark the trail of death and destruction Babur blazed to secure his legitimacy. By the end of May 1498, Babur had killed three of the four uncles involved in the plot, and had driven the last uncle and his pitiful, starving band out of Farghana and into the Taklamakan Desert in western Turkestan.

June-December 1498: In the wake of his successful quelching of civil insurrection lead by close family members, Babur began to solidify his power base in Farghana in preparation for possible expansion west and south into the areas under the control of Samarkand, as well as Husayn Bayqarah in Herat. However, while Babur's plans for expansion and conquest in line with Timur's founding of the Timurid Empire are realistic and possible, the long term emotional and psychological effects of his struggles to survive on the throne have yet to fully manifest in his outward actions. Within his personal thoughts, however, Babur is beginning to show signs of increasing paranoia and dillusions that members of his court are plotting behind his back. These ideas are made apparent in his journal entries of the time, with his repeated paranoid rants that include, "...should my father have been alive, I am sure he would have enjoyed the slaughter of his unfaithful brothers and uncles...there are those within the court who I believe would follow in their footsteps, I will be sure to guard my flanks against any threats to my legitimacy...I will not make the same mistake twice."

These paranoid rants will become more and more frequent as the years go by and will seize control over his every waking moment by the time he dies.

1499: Plans are finalized by Babur and his trusted generals to march on Samarkand and kill off his greatest percieved rival, Muhammad Shaybani, khan of the Uzbeks. These plans are part of a greater strategy put together by Babur and his generals to first regain control of Samarkand, then to march on Herat and Kabul, seizing control over the largest cities of the Afghan area, and setting Babur up for an eventual march on Baluchistan or Persia, depending on what he feels would be the better option.

[Glen]

Aussey, while I am sympathetic to your dreams of matriarchy, I would like to make certain that they are implemented in a solid, plausible manner. So far I am going to tentatively accept what you have done so far, but be careful, please. Also, if anyone has objections to these, please speak now.

1497: The Ndongolese king, crown-prince, and nobles throughout Ndongo are baptized by Catholic missionaries from Kongo. The king is christened Emmanuel I, and his son Diego. The Matamban king refuses to be baptized, however, he reluctantly allows his daughter too. Various Matamban nobles are baptized as well. She is christened Isabella.

King Emmanuel orders the construction of a seminary to train Ndongolese men to be priests in the Ndongolese capital of Kabassa. Mass baptisms are beginning to be held daily in the rivers. Meanwhile, Catholicism is spread in Matamba, but is not as readily recieved. Portugese priests meet severe resistance in many desolate Matamban villages.

1498: The Matamban king is killed by a royal guardsman. It is widely thought this is the work of the Princess Isabella and the Catholic Matamban nobility. Regardless, she is crowned "Isabella Ngala," as Queen of the Matambans. She renews the alliance with her father-in-law, now-Emmanuel I of Ndongo.

Shortly after her ascension, the Matambans attempt to rebel, demanding the expulsion of the white priests, in favor of Kongolese ones. At the request of the Queen, King João I of Kongo sends several Kongolese priests to the capital city of Matamba. The expelled Portugese are welcomed by in Ndongo.

1499: Mbanza Ngoyo, the Ngoyolese capital, is captured, along with it's king. The victorious Ndongolese and Matamban forces present the king and captured treasures to King Emmanuel of Ndongo, Crown Prince Diego of Ndongo, and Queen Isabella of Matamba at the Ndongolese capital of Kabasa. Diego and Isabella are proclaimed "Their Hignesses Prince Diego and Queen Isabella, Princes of Ndongo and Matamba, Lords of the Ngoyolese," the beginning of extravagant European-style titles in Ndongo and Matamba.

1500: Isabella of Matamba gives birth to a son, who is baptized by a Kongolese priest, and named João-Emmanuel.

[Tom Veil]

Aussey's events sound to me less like a matriarchy and more like a puppet government. I'm OK with them so far, but I would be suspicious if Isabella were to develop popular support.

[Glen]

Aussey's events sound to me less like a matriarchy and more like a puppet government. I'm OK with them so far, but I would be suspicious if Isabella were to develop popular support.

Thanks for confirming. I read them as being plausible, but am not as conversant with that civilization as I'd like to be to feel comfortable with it.

We're very fortunate to have Aussey participating, as he does some incredibly detailed and fun work. He just needs some feedback from time to time to make things more plausible, as quite frankly we all do. But by the same token, Aussey writes so much that you don't want to waste any of it, so best to get in front of the train.

A similar Mosaic Earth alum, General Paul, is doing some really great work in China, though I occasionally worry about the use of more modern terms for what he's accomplishing. There, it is more how things are being stated than what is occuring (with the exception of reviving the Treasure Fleet so quickly, though I understand why he wants that.;))

Which reminds me, GP. I think you've got a natural progression with your former bureaurocrat businessmen. Have them revitalize Chinese shipping. Eventually the Emperor will feel pressured to join in or squelch it. Just choose the former, and I think you'll be good. Try to pace it.

Which is good advice to all of us. We literally have centuries to play with here, folks. Don't do everything in just a few years. These first several decades should be setting the stage for more major divergences to come. Shake up your leadership, make some subtle but important different decisions (hopefully within character for your nations and leaders), and build up to where you wish to go.

Oh, and a last thing to reemphasize....PLEASE, run your events through a word-processor for spelling and grammar and punctuation. It really makes a difference if I don't have to do it myself.

Thank you! BTW, we've done less than a decade, and we already have a rather large amount of events. This is going to be one heck of a large timeline!

Which reminds me. For your favored nations, I recommend strongly that each and every one of you post your own thread, to keep a nation specific record of 1493 history. Once the 'official' timeline events are posted, feel free to post them in your threads in any format you see fit. We also might wish to consider starting up a whole wiki section now for 1493. It will be easier to update as we go rather than after we're done. Any entry in AH wiki for this project should have at the end of the title (1493) to indicate it is from this timeline.

Oh, and while I am rambling....we need a complete, comprehensive map of the Holy Roman Empire, not to mention the world at large. I hope Scarecrow, Knight Templar, and the others can get something to us this week, before things REALLY start to change. If any of you, ANY of you, have some map making ability and a willingness to pitch in, put up some of your own submissions in the map room. 1493...Needs....Maps!!!!

[Glen]

Please do not post any more events in this thread.

Post (and repost) events for 1500-1509 in the 'draft' thread.

Post (and repost) events from 1493-1499 in the 'retro' thread.