Diplomatic Thread for AH.com Planet

[Locke]

Here is where you can negotiate with other nations, forge alliances, or sign treaties, as well as other stuff.

[Aozhouhuaren]

I have forged an alliance and trade deal with Zarthia and protectionate status for the Isles of Carlbandos.

I offer my nations friendship and trade to my neighbour Glenish Ecuador.

I have no other alliances and trade deals in my mind, however I know of many nations dedicated to freedom, peace, friendship and hard work and I will consider any offers that come my way.

King Aozhouhuaren II

:)

[Jared]

Here is where you can negotiate with other nations, forge alliances, or sign treaties, as well as other stuff.

Good thing you didn't say forge treaties, or this thread could have taken on a whole new meaning. ;)

[Locke]

The wording isn't really that important. Whats the difference between forging and signing something?

[Ward]

well the kingdom of Ward is willing to work with almost anyone and trade with them . I'm willing to transport iteams for anyone who needs it moved for them .

[Locke]

Here is a possible roughdraft for the MNTO Charter. Possible members (Nomadic Sky, Jared, Grey Wolf, Timkeck) feel free to post if your interested in joining it. Other nations interested in it may also join and post comments.
Anyway, this should be the foundation of the MNTO Charter.
*If any one of the member nations are attacked, then the other member nations are obliged to come to that nations aid.
*If needed, economic assistance to member nations.
*Trade benefits between member nations.

If theres anything Ive missed or stuff you would like added, feel free to post. After all, this is just a roughdraft.

[Jared]

The wording isn't really that important. Whats the difference between forging and signing something?

Forging a treaty as in forging a signature... ;)

[Aozhouhuaren]

A forum council of diplomatic, economic and social discussion for the nations of this world. All nations are welcome, but must ask for membership and must be voted in for membership by a 70% majority of the council.
A security council is made up of 6 nations who will be expected to considerably contribute to diplomatic military missions and humanitarian missions. The members of this security council again must be voted in by a 70% majority.

Currently, there is help needed to write up a human rights charter and to vote in both the members, General secretary and the Security Council.

[birdy]

I have no other alliances and trade deals in my mind, however I know of many nations dedicated to freedom, peace, friendship and hard work and I will consider any offers that come my way.

King Aozhouhuaren II

:)

The United Anglo Celtic Monarchy treasures all of the above and would welcome any agreements with your great nation.

remember we are a mostly agarian country right now, so are free to export food, if you have any mining companies, they may also prospect for resources in our land.

[Locke]

Some more basic principles for the MNTO Charter:
*To develop frienfdly relations between its mebers, as well as non-members.
* Only nations located around the Mar Nostrum may become members.:p

[Psychomeltdown]

Psymerica is looking for folks to join him in his detesting this whole democratic way of life they speak so highly of.

I shall shelter you and feed you, whilst you protect your homes from their vile encroaching tentacles of greed and perversion.

[Locke]

Is there any nation interested in joining the MNTO?

[Jared]

Is there any nation interested in joining the MNTO?

Potentially, yes. I'm just getting the feeling that we need to flesh out the rest of the rules and other administrative stuff before we get started. We may need to tweak the charter terms a bit, too, but yeah, I'm planning on joining once we finalise all of that.

[Agentdark]

Psymerica

I am deeply interested in an alliance, Democracy and freedom are horribly outdated concepts. I mean, these powers believe there people should be happy, whats up with that?

To:ALL

The PDR of Agentdarkistan is willing to sell military equipment to all who desire it.

[Othniel]

Is this thread really nessacary? Can't you guys do this stuff over PM?

[Jared]

Is this thread really nessacary? Can't you guys do this stuff over PM?

Some of it is being done over PM, I suspect. But there's a need for a thread where people can make public invitations, public diplomatic posturing etc, so why not be here? :)

[Othniel]

It would make as much sense in the main thread.

[Ran Exilis]

It would make as much sense in the main thread.

Yes, but trying to find something in the 37-page main thread can be frustratingly hard.

And with this thread for diplomatic relations, we can easily see what diplomatic relations exist between the many different nations.

[Jared]

It would make as much sense in the main thread.

I suspect we need to break up the main thread or relegate things anyway. There's already lots of requests (including mine) to have a single listing of the rules somewhere, since wading through 30+ pages to keep track of things isn't easy.

[Makelith]

We want all to know that we are against Democracy and religions supporting the false gods of love, truth, justice, all that.

[Glen]

I have forged an alliance and trade deal with Zarthia and protectionate status for the Isles of Carlbandos.

I offer my nations friendship and trade to my neighbour Glenish Ecuador.

I have no other alliances and trade deals in my mind, however I know of many nations dedicated to freedom, peace, friendship and hard work and I will consider any offers that come my way.

King Aozhouhuaren II

:)

A forum council of diplomatic, economic and social discussion for the nations of this world. All nations are welcome, but must ask for membership and must be voted in for membership by a 70% majority of the council.
A security council is made up of 6 nations who will be expected to considerably contribute to diplomatic military missions and humanitarian missions. The members of this security council again must be voted in by a 70% majority.

Currently, there is help needed to write up a human rights charter and to vote in both the members, General secretary and the Security Council.

Glenish Ecuador is interested in all of the above.

[Glen]

Let it be known to one and all that Glenish Ecuador supports fair trade and respect of human rights, and invites other nations to join us in fostering them for the betterment of all Alternia.

[Aozhouhuaren]

Although Luongia is an incredibly friendly and welcoming place and Luongians are generally good natured, incredibly accomodating and tolerant, A Luongian has his/her limits and will not accept anyone trying to exploit their good nature and its culturally ingrained to seek revenge where there has been exploitation. A Luongian also loves his/her King and will let it be known that there are firm lese majeste laws in place for any defacement of the Kings image and that the King will occasionally enforce these laws himself.

Consider yourself fortunate if you have been given a fine or a short stint in prison (maximum sentence is 2 years). Stronger punishments involve painful physical and mental torture. A very specific one highlighted in national law is the public testicle kicking punishment. An offender will be restrained in a public square and will receive ten hard kicks to the testicles. If the offender is a female, a different punishment will be applied. In the past, the person given the task of applying the punishment would wear a pair of steel capped heavy boots, this practice was permanently halted when the King himself applied the punishment too enthusiastically and sent the offender to intensive care.

In continuation of Luongian hospitality and kindness, offenders will receive medical treatment after the punishment. Luongians are full of mercy yet do not appreciate even what seem to be the smallest of crimes.

Jermaine White
The Ministry of Luongian Tourism

[Aozhouhuaren]

Let it be known to one and all that Glenish Ecuador supports fair trade and respect of human rights, and invites other nations to join us in fostering them for the betterment of all Alternia.

As your neighbour and some who fundamentally believes in the same values, I reach out my hand, and offer our nations alliance, friendship and trade. We wish for an Alternia full of peace if not friendship at the least. I hope Glenish Ecuadorians reciprocate the same feelings.

King Aozhouhuaren II

[Locke]

I am neutral to those who are neutral to me.

Those who are the enemy of my enemy are my friend...whoever my enemy is...haven't really gotten that stuff sorted out yet.

Those who are the enemy of my enemy but wish to be neutral are neutral, and I am neutral to them.

Those who are my friend, yet neutral to my enemy, are considered my friend, but in reality are.....................neutral.

Those who are my friend and also the friend of my enemy are considered neutral, but in reality are...................enemies.

Those who are the enemies of my neutrals are neutrals.

Those who are the friends of my neutrals are the "just met" friends.

Those who were previously my enemy but are now neutral are neutral...
But Im watching them.

Those who were previously my enemies but are now my friends are neutral..........................................b ut they're full of shit.

Those who were previously my BFF's enemy but are now neutral are now neutral..........................................b ut theyr e also full of shit, and theyre going down.

Just to Inform You.

[Glen]

Some proposed principles of international relations with Glenish Ecuador:

- Fair Trade. Trade in legal materials between Glenish Ecuador is fairly free, though all materials produced in Glenish Ecuador and shipped to Glenish Ecuador are subject to Glenish Safety Standards. All items sold in Glenish Ecuador are required to be sold at at least cost, to prevent product dumping. Glenish Ecuadorian regulations require that labor used to produce goods shipped into Glenish Ecuador be recompensed at minimum up to the Purchasing Parity equivalent of the Glenish Ecuadorian Living Wage. An import duty will be applied to make up the difference between the actual labor cost per unit and the Purchasing Parity equivalent of Glenish Ecuadorian Living Wage. Glenish Ecuador respects the right of other nations to do likewise. Any other subsidies or barriers to trade imposed by other nations are required by Glenish Ecuadorian law to be reciprocally applied, though they automatically are rescinded when the other nation does likewise.

- Judicial Relations. Glenish Ecuadorian citizens being held in other nations on charges are expected to be made available to Glenish Ecuadorian diplomatic officials. The same courtesy is extended to other nations when their nationals are held on charges in Glenish Ecuador. We request that Glenish Ecuadorian citizens convicted of crimes while in other nations that are not crimes in Glenish Ecuador be given the option of banishment from your nation back to Glenish Ecuador. This banishment can be either the length of the avoided jail term, or indefinitely. Glenish Ecuadorians who are granted banishment and then return to your nation are considered liable for the crime at that point. Fines will be paid regardless. Extradition of Non-Ecuadorians is available for crimes that are considered crimes in both our nations. However, where capital or corporal punishment is required by your laws, Glenish Ecuadorian highest standard of guilt must be shown in a Glenish Ecuadorian court before extradition is granted. This is the standard used in Glenish Ecuadorian penalty phases for the death penalty, and is very high indeed.

- Military Alliances. Peacetime alliances are available for all nations who share human rights standards similar to or greater than Glenish Ecuadorian standards. These are purely mutual defense. Glenish Ecuador's defense policy is geared towards defense only, first of Glenish Ecuadorian lands and people, then of our allies who share our values. In times of war, Glenish Ecuador will make wartime alliances with other nations who share our foes, even when they may not qualify for a peacetime alliance.

- Immigration. Glenish Ecuador has unrestricted immigration for those who pass courses at Glenish Ecuadorian consulates, embassies, or other accredited institutions in Glenish Ecuadorian Civics, and pledge or affirm to uphold the Glenish Ecuadorian Constitution. Note, once a person pledges or affirms to uphold the Glenish Ecuadorian Constitution, they are considered a provisional Citizen of Glenish Ecuador, and can be liable for charges of treason for acts against the Glenish Ecuadorian Constitution. People who wish to come to Glenish Ecuador as tourists need not go through this process, but may not stay in the nation longer than six months, though an additional six month extension is available on occasion. Those who wish to reside in Glenish Ecuador without seeking Glenish Ecuadorian citizenship for the purpose of doing business or working must have a Glenish Ecuadorian business sponsor. The sponsor can be held financially and in some cases criminally liable for the sponsoree.

[Imajin]

High Kingdom of Grand Imajinistan

- The High Kingdom is dedicated to the principle of limited trade. That is, with certain nations whose economies compliment ours, free trade should be promoted, while in other nations that could be considered competitors, trade could be restricted or also opened considering the status, such arrangements to be made by the Chancellor of the Economy.

- The High Kingdom bars any use of capital punishment, and considers it an affront against Justice. The High Kingdom, therefore, will look with extreme anger at any nation which applies a capital punishment to a citizen of Imajinistan.

- The High Kingdom will look poorly on any attempt by an outside nation to infringe on the rights of any free nation within the continent of Fnordland, and reserves the right to take action to protect their freedom as it sees fit. The High Kingdom considers all nations in Fnordland in a de facto military alliance with the High Kingdom unless those nations specifically renounce this right.

- The High Kingdom reserves the right to restrict ingress of peoples into the nation based off of the jurisdiction of the Vice-Chancellor of Immigration and in cases of political asylum, the Chancellor of the Interior. All immigrants will be required at least four year residence in the nation, renunciation of any other citizenship and any ties to any other nation, and an oath to His Holy Majesty before any applications for permanent citizenship and voting rights be permitted. This may be revoked for anyone not a citizen at birth by the jurisdiction of His Holy Majesty.

- The High Kingdom reserves the right to deny any person residency or permission to dwell in the nation, for any reason whatsoever, at the jurisdiction of the Vice-Chancellor of Immigration. In certain cases, appeal may be made to the Chancellor of the Interior and in a very number of specific legally-defined cases final appeal may be possible to His Holy Majesty.

[Grey Wolf]

We want all to know that we are against Democracy and religions supporting the false gods of love, truth, justice, all that.

The Empire of Zusodan would stand with you on the first one. Ahura Mazda is of course the true god, but we recognise the existence of Ahriman and his attempts to turn the world to darkness. Life is a battle, and the Cathars in our outer provinces are with us in this.

Grey Wolf

[Agentdark]

The Peoples Democratic Republic of Agentdarkistan is a firm believer that Freedom, Justice and Goodwill are largly outdated social concepts that are best thrown out like the rest of the trash heap of history.

Religion is useful as long as it does not put the rediculos notion in the populaces head that they are worth anything in the greater scheme of things. We believe in fierce independance, and shall not bow to any international pressure in any regards.

[Grey Wolf]

The Empire of Zusodan remembers that it made alliances and agreements in another thread, but has mislaid the diplomatic bag ! Would our allies please stop by and say hello and remind us of who they are !

His Imperial Majesty, Lucius II, gravely apologises for this slip up !

Best Regards
Grey Wolf

[Grey Wolf]

The Peoples Democratic Republic of Agentdarkistan is a firm believer that Freedom, Justice and Goodwill are largly outdated social concepts that are best thrown out like the rest of the trash heap of history.

Religion is useful as long as it does not put the rediculos notion in the populaces head that they are worth anything in the greater scheme of things. We believe in fierce independance, and shall not bow to any international pressure in any regards.

The Empire of Zusodan would like to make a formal overture of alliance, if it could remember where your country was, or where the map to look for it is ! Being somewhat challenged in the media storage department, we did print out a map...but it was in black and white and we couldn't tell the difference between the countries on it...which has since got the Foreign Ministry official responsible for it sent to the island prison of {{{name to be supplied at a later date}}}

Grey Wolf

[Locke]

Perhaps the island of Guluthera?

[Ran Exilis]

- The High Kingdom will look poorly on any attempt by an outside nation to infringe on the rights of any free nation within the continent of Fnordland, and reserves the right to take action to protect their freedom as it sees fit. The High Kingdom considers all nations in Fnordland in a de facto military alliance with the High Kingdom unless those nations specifically renounce this right.

On behalf of the government of the Most Serene Archanate of Rania, I have a question to the government of Imajinistan: what will the stance of Imajinistan be on the (possibly militairy) actions of the Archanate againest the often unruly tribal communities that live in the mountains just outside of the Archanate's borders?

We, of course, do not wish to undertake any militairy or any other actions againest the independant nation of Alexo, with which we wish nothing but good diplomatic relationships, but we would just like to know what the stance of the Imajinistani government is on the minor conflicts on the Adax Peninsula.

[Imajin]

On behalf of the government of the Most Serene Archanate of Rania, I have a question to the government of Imajinistan: what will the stance of Imajinistan be on the (possibly militairy) actions of the Archanate againest the often unruly tribal communities that live in the mountains just outside of the Archanate's borders?

We, of course, do not wish to undertake any militairy or any other actions againest the independant nation of Alexo, with which we wish nothing but good diplomatic relationships, but we would just like to know what the stance of the Imajinistani government is on the minor conflicts on the Adax Peninsula.
We consider nation to mean organized nation. As it were, the High Kingdom does not recognize the tribal communities as nations, as they lack many of the required characteristics. We support moves to bring them to civilization.

[Locke]

On behalf of the government of the Most Serene Archanate of Rania, I have a question to the government of Imajinistan: what will the stance of Imajinistan be on the (possibly militairy) actions of the Archanate againest the often unruly tribal communities that live in the mountains just outside of the Archanate's borders?

We, of course, do not wish to undertake any militairy or any other actions againest the independant nation of Alexo, with which we wish nothing but good diplomatic relationships, but we would just like to know what the stance of the Imajinistani government is on the minor conflicts on the Adax Peninsula.

Pacifist, isolationist nations.....

They make me sick!

:D

[Psychomeltdown]

Peace, prosperity, good will toward men?

What madness is this?

A new dawn is fast approaching, folks. Best get with the times or get steam rolled into extinction.

Who stands with me and who shall stand against me?

[Locke]

Not that peace and prosperity are bad, but....
Nothing can stop our primal instinct for violence!:p

Pyschomeltdown, I support you in whatever games of conquest you may have.

[Psychomeltdown]

, I support you in whatever games of conquest you may have.
Then we shall be friends. or enemies, it depends upon which way the quarter lands. :D

[Ward]

The Kingdom of Ward would like to offer all the other nations on Lizard's End
Multral deffence pacts and free trade treatys with them .

[Jared]

The Mare Nostrum Treaty Organisation is opening discussions about membership and alliances. The MNTO has three main principles:

1. Defensive alliances. An attack on one member of the MNTO is an attack on every member of the MNTO.

2. Unity through trade. All members of the MNTO encourage trade with all other members of the MNTO. No tariffs will be charged on imports which have originated from another member of the MNTO, although reasonable trans-shipping fees can be charged. Where there is an identical commodity being offered by an MNTO member and a non-MNTO member, the produce of the MNTO member will be given preference.

3. Non-interference in internal affairs. MNTO members will not interfere in the internal politics of other members of the Organisation.

[Glen]

The Kingdom of Ward would like to offer all the other nations on Lizard's End
Multral deffence pacts and free trade treatys with them .

Glenish Ecuador would be interested in exploring the possibility of extending such a nascent Lizard's End Defense and Trade agreement to encompass Glenish Ecuador as well, given our close proximities.

[Ward]

Glenish Ecuador would be interested in exploring the possibility of extending such a nascent Lizard's End Defense and Trade agreement to encompass Glenish Ecuador as well, given our close proximities.

Glen at this time we would sign a trade treaty with you and a non agrestion pact but rember we nations on Lizards end are between you and the 5th largest nation in the world . It would take the 4 of the nations there to ecual the 5th largest nation let alone your self in industry and military power .

[Makelith]

we agree that all beliefs such as freedom, justice and all that is a load of bull s**t.

[Ran Exilis]

We consider nation to mean organized nation. As it were, the High Kingdom does not recognize the tribal communities as nations, as they lack many of the required characteristics. We support moves to bring them to civilization.

Excellent! The High Council will be most pleased with this.

[Ward]

Who is intrested in forming the Blue Shield ( think of the Red Cross )
We of the Kingdom of Ward would like to invited the Nations of the world to join us in the organztion .

The Blue shield will help all nations in time of need .
They will be neutral in all War's and check all POW camps , Gather list of those KIA and who is a POW .
They will also insure that all liners have enough life boats for all there pasagers and crew membes .
Also all members will place the Blue Shield on a white background on any Hospital ships and Hospital ships will not be targeted by any nation that is in a war .

[Jared]

Who is intrested in forming the Blue Shield ( think of the Red Cross )
We of the Kingdom of Ward would like to invited the Nations of the world to join us in the organztion .

Is the Blue Shield a private organisation funded by governments, or does joining the Blue Shield require a nation to be neutral? Where does the funding come from?

[birdy]

Who is intrested in forming the Blue Shield ( think of the Red Cross )
We of the Kingdom of Ward would like to invited the Nations of the world to join us in the organztion .

The Blue shield will help all nations in time of need .
They will be neutral in all War's and check all POW camps , Gather list of those KIA and who is a POW .
They will also insure that all liners have enough life boats for all there pasagers and crew membes .
Also all members will place the Blue Shield on a white background on any Hospital ships and Hospital ships will not be targeted by any nation that is in a war .

well my country is small, but sure we'll join it.

[Ward]

Each member nation kicks in a small amount to the organztion .
And no it dose not mean a member has to reman nuetral in a war .
What it means that if in a War they will send through the Blue Shield a list of people they captured and the names of the dead that they found .
And they will never attack a ship with the Blue Shield on it . Nor will they place a Blue shield on a WAR Ship .
Blue Shield the Organzation will stay neutral in any Wars so it can over see POW's are not being killed or treated harsh . Blue Shield will never spy on member mations in time of WAR .

[Glen]

Who is intrested in forming the Blue Shield ( think of the Red Cross )
We of the Kingdom of Ward would like to invited the Nations of the world to join us in the organztion .

The Blue shield will help all nations in time of need .
They will be neutral in all War's and check all POW camps , Gather list of those KIA and who is a POW .
They will also insure that all liners have enough life boats for all there pasagers and crew membes .
Also all members will place the Blue Shield on a white background on any Hospital ships and Hospital ships will not be targeted by any nation that is in a war .

Glenish Ecuador is in.

[Ward]

The Kingdom of Ward
Moves that the head quarters of the Blue Shield be in IanLand .:D

[Glen]

The Kingdom of Ward
Moves that the head quarters of the Blue Shield be in IanLand .:D

Glenish Ecuador seconds.

[Aozhouhuaren]

The Blue Shield is a great idea and Luongia would be happy to contribute as any medical supplies and staff as is possible.

Ianland is a great location for the Blue Shield organisation.

[birdy]

The Kingdom of Ward
Moves that the head quarters of the Blue Shield be in IanLand .:D

no problem here.

so has the game started?

[Jared]

Each member nation kicks in a small amount to the organztion .
And no it dose not mean a member has to reman nuetral in a war .
What it means that if in a War they will send through the Blue Shield a list of people they captured and the names of the dead that they found .
And they will never attack a ship with the Blue Shield on it . Nor will they place a Blue shield on a WAR Ship .
Blue Shield the Organzation will stay neutral in any Wars so it can over see POW's are not being killed or treated harsh . Blue Shield will never spy on member mations in time of WAR .

Sounds good. The Unnamed Alliance will join.

[Jared]

The Kingdom of Ward Moves that the head quarters of the Blue Shield be in IanLand .:D

Good way to ensure that every other nation in the world will declare war if someone attacks the Blue Shield... ;)

[Jared]

so has the game started?

Not yet, I hope. Partly because there's still a few details of the rules to iron out, but mostly because I still haven't finished the write-up of my nation. This is what I get for having the idea to have it composed of six or seven different sub-nations (I may scrap the seventh), each of which requires a separate write-up. Oh well, I'm over halfway there...

[Locke]

WHat is the Unamed Alliance that you keep talking about?

[Jared]

WHat is the Unamed Alliance that you keep talking about?

That's what my nation is called. Complicated reason why it's given that name, which will be posted when I finalise the details of the nation and post it in the Nations thread.

[LightInfa]

To: Kingdom of Ward
From: The People's Republic of Glenish Ecuador

We would like to enquire about the possibility of the PRGE purchasing a number of ocean going submarines from your country. Do you have some ocean going subs that you are willing to sell from your military stocks, or could would it be possible to order some submarines from shipyards?

[Ward]

To: Kingdom of Ward
From: The People's Republic of Glenish Ecuador

We would like to enquire about the possibility of the PRGE purchasing a number of ocean going submarines from your country. Do you have some ocean going subs that you are willing to sell from your military stocks, or could would it be possible to order some submarines from shipyards?

we are willing to build you subs

[Agentdark]

The Peoples Democratic Republic of Agentdarkistan would like to annouce the first annual weapons of war fair. At this fair and convention, which all nations not hostile to Agentdarkistan are invited to, we will display all of our current export models of weapontry for sale to other nations. We take all forms of payment.

[LightInfa]

The Peoples Democratic Republic of Agentdarkistan would like to annouce the first annual weapons of war fair. At this fair and convention, which all nations not hostile to Agentdarkistan are invited to, we will display all of our current export models of weapontry for sale to other nations. We take all forms of payment.

The People's Republic of Glenish Ecuador would like to attend the fair. Will there be submarines on display at this fair?

[Ran Exilis]

The Most Serene Archanate of Rania is interested as well...

We could use some extra artillery, and perhaps a few tanks too...

[Agentdark]

Yes, we will have our current New Model of Export Submarine available for sale, and several varietys of artillery, as well as the A-30 MBT will be available for purchase.

[Ward]

The Kingdom of Ward will be willing to come to this show .
We will be bringing Subs designs , MTB designs as well as both TB and DD plans . We will have iteams of those types there for your navy comanders to see . We will also bring Arty Weapons to show also .

[birdy]

The Peoples Democratic Republic of Agentdarkistan would like to annouce the first annual weapons of war fair. At this fair and convention, which all nations not hostile to Agentdarkistan are invited to, we will display all of our current export models of weapontry for sale to other nations. We take all forms of payment.

A representitve of my government will attend, crops and resources are offered as payment.

[Agentdark]

We are pleased to here that the Kingdom of Ward will attend. Also, as the Kingdom has reminded us.

All nations are welcome to bring examples of there own military wares as well.

UCAM: We are definatly interested in all forms of crops for sale.

[Ward]

We are pleased to here that the Kingdom of Ward will attend. Also, as the Kingdom has reminded us.

All nations are welcome to bring examples of there own military wares as well.

UCAM: We are definatly interested in all forms of crops for sale.

We would also be intrested in Bring Farm equpment that the Kingdom builds .

We are willing to see other countrys iteams that are up for sell .

[LightInfa]

Concering the military equipment on sale:

The PRGE would like to purchase around 30 ocean-going, high endurance submarines. In return we are willing to lease naval, ground, and air bases in our territory, and we will also provide monetary payment.

[Ward]

Concering the military equipment on sale:

The PRGE would like to purchase around 30 ocean-going, high endurance submarines. In return we are willing to lease naval, ground, and air bases in our territory, and we will also provide monetary payment.

well the Kingdom of Ward will open the Biding on building these subs at 36million GED's and will be abe to have them ready for you in a year .
These will be the Redoutable class sub its 1570 tons Normal and its Armament is 9x21.7 in TT , 2x 15.7in TT, 1x 3 in Deck gun ,2x 13.2 mm AA guns and a crew of 61

[Agentdark]

We would like to lease land for a Naval Facility, as well as a large quantity of cash products.

[LightInfa]

well the Kingdom of Ward will open the Biding on building these subs at 36million GED's and will be abe to have them ready for you in a year .
These will be the Redoutable class sub its 1570 tons Normal and its Armament is 9x21.7 in TT , 2x 15.7in TT, 1x 3 in Deck gun ,2x 13.2 mm AA guns and a crew of 61

36 million GEDs each for the subs, or 36 million GEDs for all 30 submarines?

[Ward]

36 million GEDs each for the subs, or 36 million GEDs for all 30 submarines?

Yes the will cost me 30 million GED and 30 industral points to build them .
Cost to build a sub is 1 million GED and 1 industral point each , they take
10 mo's to build . You will need to build yourself a port for them if you do not have one this will cost 25 industral point and 25 million GED 's if you do not have a port for these 30 subs. We will build you this port for 31 million GED's and will take us 8 mo's to build . So this whole package will cost 66 million GEDS .

[LightInfa]

Yes the will cost me 30 million GED and 30 industral points to build them .
Cost to build a sub is 1 million GED and 1 industral point each , they take
10 mo's to build . You will need to build yourself a port for them if you do not have one this will cost 25 industral point and 25 million GED 's if you do not have a port for these 30 subs. We will build you this port for 31 million GED's and will take us 8 mo's to build . So this hole package will cost 66 million GEDS .

We already have a submarine base at our capital-there are 13 submarines in our navy. So to build all 30 subs, the PRGE will pay the Kingdom of Ward 36 million GEDs. We will also allow the Kingdom of Ward to lease a naval or air base in our country for free as part of the payment, if you want to lease a base.

[Ward]

We already have a submarine base at our capital-there are 13 submarines in our navy. So to build all 30 subs, the PRGE will pay the Kingdom of Ward 36 million GEDs. We will also allow the Kingdom of Ward to lease a naval or air base in our country for free as part of the payment, if you want to lease a base.

we will take a base there .

[LightInfa]

we will take a base there .

Then the deal is settled. The PRGE will transfer the 36 million GEDs to your possesion immediatly, and we will begin readying a military base at Lightsburg for your use. As soon as the Kingdom of Ward's shipyards finish construction of the subs, they will be transfered to PRGE control.

Thank you for selling us these submarines.

[Psychomeltdown]

so....

We begin out with the points we have and the points we allocate to various areas. But if we wish to add more, if we wish to build more, in the way of ships, armaments, or trade, we use our industrial points and the money we have in our GDP?

But do we have to keep it under the current amount of points we have? or can we go over, using industrial resources and GDP money?

[Jared]

The Peoples Democratic Republic of Agentdarkistan would like to annouce the first annual weapons of war fair. At this fair and convention, which all nations not hostile to Agentdarkistan are invited to, we will display all of our current export models of weapontry for sale to other nations. We take all forms of payment.

The Unnamed Alliance would like to attend. We may also be interested in making some sales of our own of small surface warships (MTBs, TBs and DDs).

[Ran Exilis]

I was just wondering - are there also any pocket battleships for sale?
And we might be interested in a few more submarines as well...

But our main goal is still to buy some more artillery pieces and a few tanks.

..
By the way, can I also pay with mining points and industry points aside from just GED?

[Jared]

By the way, can I also pay with mining points and industry points aside from just GED?

I think those are equivalent; you can say that the GED is payment in kind - iron ore, manufactured customer goods, whatever.

[Psychomeltdown]

So I'm still confused. The machinery of war you guys buy are being added on top of the points you've dedicated to the forming of your militaries and the like? or is it just you've got limited industry, therefore you're looking to buy some ships, using your current pts set aside for that purpose...

[Ward]

So I'm still confused. The machinery of war you guys buy are being added on top of the points you've dedicated to the forming of your militaries and the like? or is it just you've got limited industry, therefore you're looking to buy some ships, using your current pts set aside for that purpose...

Ok there is the cost of items in GED 's and how many industral points for them . LightInfa has a sub base that can hold ub to 26 subs right now because he had 13 to start . Hr has docking and repair and ship yards for up to 39 subs at this time .
He will need docking for 43 subs and this will cost him eather 12 million GED's and 12 industral points or 8 Million GED and 8 industral points , With the cost of 12 million he would be able to lay down 14 new subs and/or repair 43 subs at any one time.

[LightInfa]

Ok there is the cost of items in GED 's and how many industral points for them . LightInfa has a sub base that can hold ub to 26 subs right now because he had 13 to start . Hr has docking and repair and ship yards for up to 39 subs at this time .
He will need docking for 43 subs and this will cost him eather 12 million GED's and 12 industral points or 8 Million GED and 8 industral points , With the cost of 12 million he would be able to lay down 14 new subs and/or repair 43 subs at any one time.

So in addition to the 36 million GEDs I paid you, I will also need to begin construction of additional submarine facilities?

[Ward]

So in addition to the 36 million GEDs I paid you, I will also need to begin construction of additional submarine facilities?

yes you need to add by the time the subs arrive in your navy, an add space for 6 more subs . because you need to buy submarine facilities or any ship types facilities in groups of threes .
now you have in your country 13 ship yards that can build subs .

[Grey Wolf]

The Peoples Democratic Republic of Agentdarkistan would like to annouce the first annual weapons of war fair. At this fair and convention, which all nations not hostile to Agentdarkistan are invited to, we will display all of our current export models of weapontry for sale to other nations. We take all forms of payment.

Oo, we would definitely like to be there ! Is there a Secret Police stand at this fayre ?

Grey Wolf

[Jared]

Oo, we would definitely like to be there ! Is there a Secret Police stand at this fayre ?

Not that anyone will publicly admit... ;)

[Ward]

Not that anyone will publicly admit... ;)

Why My Police will have a both there and show how to wire tape a phone .
We will also show how on your volunteer how to make a phone in to a way to make some one talk . Also we will show how to use a rubber hose on some one .:D And yes I have a secret police force there is always some people who are to libral for my taste , who need to be shown there ways are wrong .

[Jared]

Why My Police will have a both there and show how to wire tape a phone .

But if you admit their existence, doesn't that mean that they're not secret? ;)

Seriously, though, if things like secret police become a game mechanism with appropriate benefits, should there also be rules for more open and democratic societies and any relevant benefits they have? At the moment, it looks like it's all benefits and no drawbacks from having a police state with a secret police force.

[Locke]

Who is going to be the first person to attack the Neutral Republic? I really don't care; heck Ill go last. But ya know, just to get things straigtened out.

[Jared]

Who is going to be the first person to attack the Neutral Republic? I really don't care; heck Ill go last. But ya know, just to get things straigtened out.

I think we need to hold a lottery for this one...

[birdy]

UCAM: We are definatly interested in all forms of crops for sale.

Glad to hear it:), we got numerous fruits and vegtables, as well as rice, cocoa, meats, tea and rubber + coal.

we think there's other resources around here too, any country is welcome to send mining companies here.

[Locke]

Consider yourself fortunate if you have been given a fine or a short stint in prison (maximum sentence is 2 years). Stronger punishments involve painful physical and mental torture. A very specific one highlighted in national law is the public testicle kicking punishment. An offender will be restrained in a public square and will receive ten hard kicks to the testicles. If the offender is a female, a different punishment will be applied. In the past, the person given the task of applying the punishment would wear a pair of steel capped heavy boots, this practice was permanently halted when the King himself applied the punishment too enthusiastically and sent the offender to intensive care.

I denounce such an inhumane, excruciating type of punishment. I do not support you for anything as long as you continue this cruel and unusual punishment.

[Aozhouhuaren]

I denounce such an inhumane, excruciating type of punishment. I do not support you for anything as long as you continue this cruel and unusual punishment.

Do not insult Luongians and our King especially, and you'll be fine. WE value democracy and freedom of speech, so by all means if you have criticisms about the way our country is run or parts of our culture, we will be more than willing to listen and have a rebuttal ready.

The Head of the Tourism board may have forgotten to clarify our exact intentions and indeed his words may have come off as very insulting provocation, I apologise for that so I take it on myself to do this clarification.

The punishments mentioned are rare to say the most, 15 recorded incidents over the last 60 years, the Luongian Dynasty has been in power. The mentioned punishments are also very last resort treatments of criminal acts against the Lese Mageste and Lese Nationale laws. The offender will be given many opportunities to defend him/herself, the state will even provide a lawyer if the offender cannot afford one. The said punishments are only dealt when the offender has genuinely shown no remorse for their actions. Might I inform you also, that the 15 incidents I mentioned were recorded out of 4300 separate cases, so even though we treat crimes of this nature very seriously, we also treat them with mercy and patience.

WE have no problems with criticisms, we have problems with personal insults and degradation. WE will not accept any discrimination of The King and The Luongian people, whether it be racial, cultural or national. WE also do not look on manipulation and fraud very kindly. Luongians are mostly friendly and accommodating people and will treat any visitor with utmost kindness and respect, even if our views differ, so all we expect in return is the same treatment.

That is all I have to say on that matter. Thank you.

Prime Minister of The Kingdom of Luongia and Protectorate of The Isles of Carlbandos, Sir Anthony Johnstone Parker.

[Agentdark]

Oo, we would definitely like to be there ! Is there a Secret Police stand at this fayre ?

Grey Wolf

Talk to Brandon in front of the Old Werehouse, he'll show you everything you need to know.

[TimKeck84]

I had to make a decision as to where to put this post, so I chose here as it is diplomatic trading.

Should anyone care to take a look, my nation makes 50% more finished products than it needs. We specialize in Radios, some Medicines, Alcohol & coal-fueled heating units for homes. Another small (but rapidly growing) industry is Wind-based power. We would be more than willing to enter into negotiations to sell some of these products to other nations. Feel free to get in touch.

[birdy]

I had to make a decision as to where to put this post, so I chose here as it is diplomatic trading.

Should anyone care to take a look, my nation makes 50% more finished products than it needs. We specialize in Radios, some Medicines, Alcohol & coal-fueled heating units for homes. Another small (but rapidly growing) industry is Wind-based power. We would be more than willing to enter into negotiations to sell some of these products to other nations. Feel free to get in touch.

I'd like to enter into trade negotions with you- The United Anglo Celtic Monarchy (UACM) is a tropical country with the climate flora and fauna of Malaysia and Thailand etc.

we're mostly agarian but trying to develop our industrial sector.

[TimKeck84]

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Office of the President
Port Chester, Schuylkill State
Republic of Sylvanus

The Republic of Sylvanus politely declines to join this new league. This is simply due to our small population size and the economic reality that we can only support a certain number of full-time diplomats. We wish you luck in your endeavor.

Sincerely,
President Timothy Keck
Prime Minister Luke Glogg

Well in time, when your nation grows larger in population and stronger, we hope you will reconsider this marvellous opportunity. Thank you very much for your warm wishes. May your nation prosper and may we see in you as a member in the future.

Of course although we regret that you have declined the offer, I am interested in taking the opportunity to offer you a trade deal, we need industrial goods. The trade minister Mr Chang noticed that your nation produces a surplus in industrial goods, however your research level is incredibly low, thus may we offer a technological exchange in the form of medicinal goods, engineers, and guaranteed university places for Sylvanians?

Please consider this offer, we understand, if you decline it, but I believe it will be a wonderful opportunity for your nation and its always good to foster friendships.

Prime Minister Anthony Johnstone Parker
The Kingdom of Luongia and The Protectorate of The Isles of Carlbandos.

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From:
Ministry of Education
Port Chester, Schuylkill State
Republic of Sylvanus

To:
Prime Minister Anthony Johnstone Parker

Regarding:
Educational Trade offering.

Prime Minister Parker,

The Sylvan Ministry of Education has an offer in response to your invitation to trade. As you may know, the Sylvan educational system has mostly focused on the teaching of teachers. The problem that this has led to is that there is not much money allocated towards research, nor are there many researchers themselves. What we do have, in abundance, are young people who have extensive experience in being primary & secondary education teachers. As an initial offering, we propose that some of these young folk be allowed to take jobs as teachers in your nation as an exchange with you sending over some of your reseachers. We are most interested in hydroelectric & wind power research as the government has realized that mining or drilling for resources is both hazerdous and short sighted. You can reach the President at his AIM address of Timtrooper803 for further discussion if you like.

Sincerely
Minister of Education

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Prime Ministers Office
Aozhouville, Lychee County
The Kingdom of Luongia

To:
The Sylvanian Minister of Education

Regarding:
Educational Trade offering.

Minister of Education,

I have consulted with the Luongian parliarment and the Minister of Education and we gladly accept your offer. It is most fortunate you have come through this offer as our schooling system has recently experienced a slight shortage in teachers with the horrible Killer Flu which I'm sure you have heard about. It is vital to maintain our status of a nation with excellent educational opportunities. In return, we will provide a few researchers and engineers as you requested, we are glad you are dedicated in the pursuit of renewable energy as well. It has been Luongias aim to produce a significant portion of our energy needs from environmentally friendly processes thus slowly decreasing our dependence on fossil fuels. I am extremely happy you also share this goal and I hope we can have further discussions not only on this matter but other issues as well.

Sincerely,
Prime Minister Anthony Johnstone Parker

[LightInfa]

To: Kingdom of Ward
From: People's Republic of Glenish Ecuador

Will you be able to start production of the thirty submarines we discussed earlier in your shipyards fairly soon? We will be able to have a military base prepared for your use quite quickly and we will await the arrival of your personell.

[Ward]

To: Kingdom of Ward
From: People's Republic of Glenish Ecuador

Will you be able to start production of the thirty submarines we discussed earlier in your shipyards fairly soon? We will be able to have a military base prepared for your use quite quickly and we will await the arrival of your personell.



The Subs are started and we will be heading to your country to build the base .

[birdy]

would anyone like to help me build up my military, ie build an airforce. navy and tanks for us in exchgange either for trade goods or currency. The stipulation being that technical blueprints and specifications need to be given to us as well.

if you are interested either reply here or write to the UACM Embassy.