AH.com Planet Nation Claims

[Glen]

Time to go for it! Get your territorial claims in!

First come, first served.

Rule of thumb is 500 sq km per post, each hex is about 66500 sq km, or in other words you get a hex for every 133 posts. A sixth of a hex is about 22 posts.

Blue is me, your friendly, neighborhood ASB.

[Othniel]

Is it better now?
Take your post count and divide it by 133. Thats the maxium number of Hexes you get. (The six sided honey combs all over the map)

[Matt]

Okay people, don't put the whole map in your post- I'm working on a master copy to put in the first post. If Glen can go through and delete the attachments in a bit that would be great. Agent- You have a tendency to color claims on maps in black, please refrain from doing so in the future.

[Matt]

Birdy and Leej get the "I can't follow simple instructions award."

[The Dean]

I am staking my claim on Cape Dean here off to the NE of Glen
Cape Dean.PNG (http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/attachment.php?attachmentid=27198&stc=1&d=1178471379)
I have put it in black but if the mods want to change that when adding it to the key thats fine by me.

[Landshark]

I am staking my claim on Cape Dean here off to the NE of Glen
Cape Dean.PNG (http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/attachment.php?attachmentid=27198&stc=1&d=1178471379)
I have put it in black but if the mods want to change that when adding it to the key thats fine by me.

Sorry but that area's already been claimed by Imajin if I'm reading the colours on the key correctly.

[The Dean]

This is changing real quick so my bit was claimed before I put my bid in. Also the whole map seems to be getting posted a lot of times so who is going to decide who gets what?:confused:

[Landshark]

This is changing real quick so my bit was claimed before I put my bid in. Also the whole map seems to be getting posted a lot of times so who is going to decide who gets what?:confused:

Only maps posted by Matt are official so you should go off the latest one carrying his name. It's probably also advisable to check the posts between official maps to see if there are any new claims, Imajin claimed that particular peice of real estate at 1:08 this morning for example.

[The Dean]

Here goes Cape Dean 2
Cape Dean.PNG (http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/attachment.php?attachmentid=27201&stc=1&d=1178473566)
(http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/attachment.php?attachmentid=27200&stc=1&d=1178473283)

[Landshark]

Here goes Cape Dean 2
Cape Dean.PNG (http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/attachment.php?attachmentid=27201&stc=1&d=1178473566)
(http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/attachment.php?attachmentid=27200&stc=1&d=1178473283)

Ah, got it.

Main continent, North Eastern Coast.

[Matt]

Of course Dean, that mountainous peninsula next to your claim is still open.

[Ran Exilis]

Allright, I'll join in and make a claim as well...

According to my calculator, I should get about 6,22 whole hexes of land.
I hope this claim is about the right size...

[The_Leader]

I'll throw my hat in too.. Heres my claim

[Zarth]

I suppose I'll partake in this game. (if I screwed up with the number of hex's and claimed too many just let me know.)

[Aozhouhuaren]

I suppose I'll partake in this game. (if I screwed up with the number of hex's and claimed too many just let me know.)

No Zarth, for the love of god, you're next to Agentdarkistan!!!:eek: :eek: :eek: :(

Oh and yes, the number of hexs seem about right.:)

[Ward]

I suppose I'll partake in this game. (if I screwed up with the number of hex's and claimed too many just let me know.)

I see you at 7 almost 8 hexs strong

[Zarth]

I see you at 7 almost 8 hexs strongyeah, that what my calculations put me at; 1017 posts= just under hexs.

[Othniel]

I see you at 7 almost 8 hexs strong
You get 8 hexes at 1064.

[Zarth]

I'll drop the two islands to my south, so that should bring me closer to the 7.6 hex's I worked out I should have (1017/133=7.6 or there abouts)

[Matt]

And I am in fact waiting for the clean up until I post an updated version.

[RavenDarksong]

Claim: One-third of a hexagon adjacent to Agentdark's country.

[Othniel]

For those making claims that only have a post count of 132 or lower; Just take a whole hex. Its not like we don't have plenty of room on that map, and it shouldn't hurt you in the long run. If you want a partial just go with a seacoast or something to that regard.

A hint for you, if you do it inland do it along a river. You'll tend to be easier to deal with if you are.

[SionEwig]

Hey Oth,

I've counted several different times, and you look to have shorted yourself about 30-32 hexes in your claim.

[Aozhouhuaren]

I've noticed some people count the hexs even when it is mostly covered in water.

Do we only count the land and approximate how much room it would take up in a hex?

[Ward]

I've noticed some people count the hexs even when it is mostly covered in water.

Do we only count the land and approximate how much room it would take up in a hex?

myself icounted them as the % of land they were .

[Glen]

I've noticed some people count the hexs even when it is mostly covered in water.

Do we only count the land and approximate how much room it would take up in a hex?

myself icounted them as the % of land they were .

I confirm, percent of land in the hex only. Guestimate, its a game, not rocket science.:rolleyes: ;)

[Glen]

Have placed Straha's Empire of the Banned on the map.

http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showpost.php?p=1071095&postcount=4

[Landshark]

Have placed Straha's Empire of the Banned on the map.

http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showpost.php?p=1071095&postcount=4

I see Straharia as much like Spain and it's South American colonies.

A combination of one of the oldest nationstates that gradually sunk into decay and decadence before a Bolivarlike figure arose to otherthrow the monarchy and install the first in a series of shakey democratic governments that ended up with the present drugfueled banana republic.

[Jared]

For those making claims that only have a post count of 132 or lower; Just take a whole hex. Its not like we don't have plenty of room on that map, and it shouldn't hurt you in the long run. If you want a partial just go with a seacoast or something to that regard.

A hint for you, if you do it inland do it along a river. You'll tend to be easier to deal with if you are.

And if you do want to set up somewhere around the big inland sea on the northeastern continent (we really need names for those continents), the Unnamed Alliance will gladly develop commercial, cultural and military links with all nations, but particularly small ones - we need to stick together!

[TimKeck84]

Is this open to everyone? If it is I've got some questions.
1. are we just claiming land yet?
2. have we all agreed what technological level everyone starts at?
3. Everyone with less than 133 posts can claim up to one hex? (someone said we could I think, but I'd like to ask)
4. are we putting out info on out little nation states?


Later
Tim

[LightInfa]

Is this open to everyone? If it is I've got some questions.
1. are we just claiming land yet?
2. have we all agreed what technological level everyone starts at?
3. Everyone with less than 133 posts can claim up to one hex? (someone said we could I think, but I'd like to ask)
4. are we putting out info on out little nation states?


Later
Tim

1. Yes land claiming has begun.
2. Tech level is 1930
3. I have no problem with that, but I am not sure what other people's opinions are
4. Yes

[Psychomeltdown]

Is this open to everyone? If it is I've got some questions.
1. are we just claiming land yet?
2. have we all agreed what technological level everyone starts at?
3. Everyone with less than 133 posts can claim up to one hex? (someone said we could I think, but I'd like to ask)
4. are we putting out info on out little nation states?


Later
Tim

Yeah, it's open to all.

1. Yup, land claiming has begun. There's a map and everything.
2. Tech level is 1930s
3. I think it becomes a matter of hex percentage, which i think is kinda lame. So if you got about .5 of the post needed to claim a hex, you get only .5 of the hex... But I sure as hell got no probs if you claim a whole hex to yourself. :D
4. Yup. There's a thread for it.

[Landshark]

Is this open to everyone? If it is I've got some questions.

Yes.

1. are we just claiming land yet?

Yes.

2. have we all agreed what technological level everyone starts at?

Technology is anything upto 1930. There's some wrangling over medical technology at the moment.

3. Everyone with less than 133 posts can claim up to one hex?(someone said we could I think, but I'd like to ask)

It was Othniel and it seems like a fair idea to me.

4. are we putting out info on out little nation states?

Yes, there's another thread on the board for that.

When you do decide on a hex don't post the full map. Just post a section that identifies where you are and it'll be included on the big map and key later.
Later
Tim[/QUOTE]

[TimKeck84]

Coolness. I'm the Brown but with the yellow dot in it for ID EDIT: I posted the whole thing, this sis as small as I could make it, I'm not really good with art sorry.

[Fenwick]

Grand Duchy of Fenwick
http://img119.imageshack.us/img119/6412/fenwickcl9.png

[Psychomeltdown]

That tiny island continent is getting pretty crowded, eh?

[Othniel]

Hey Oth,

I've counted several different times, and you look to have shorted yourself about 30-32 hexes in your claim.
Okay I'll attempt to fix that. Does anyone have anyone have any objections to me fixing it?

[Othniel]

Okay I'll attempt to fix that. Does anyone have anyone have any objections to me fixing it?
Here's the additional thirty, to complete the 90 I orginally had to claim. I can cut off some of it if needed. I'll leave that up to Matt's disgression, as he is handling claims.*New Claims in orange*

[Matt]

Okay dokey, I'll get an update map up before my final today.

[Matt]

As I promised:

[Zarth]

you wouldn't mind adding this guy on there, when you have time would you Matt?

[Leej]

What of all the empty land?
It would be rather silly for there actually to be decent empty land when the world is at 1930s level...

[Landshark]

What of all the empty land?
It would be rather silly for there actually to be decent empty land when the world is at 1930s level...

I presume that people are going to be looking to colonise/expand into those areas.

[Leej]

I presume that people are going to be looking to colonise/expand into those areas.

Which is what I'm saying is silly.

[NomadicSky]

I don't think I've overlapped on another users claim. Here's mine in the light orange.

[Doeth]

I'm guessing this is around 8 hexes.

The Confederated Empire of Doethinia

[Ward]

Which is what I'm saying is silly.

Well here is part of the reason we have so much open space

Wendell June 8th, 2005 11,205 April 8th, 2007 Kita Amerika
Thande January 22nd, 2005 10,468 Today Thande ta Kirinrenor Grantambrycge, Cyningdum 7 Wessaex
MerryPrankster January 10th, 2004 8,106 Today
DuQuense January 1st, 2004 8,093 Today Marysland ,CSA
Max Sinister January 15th, 2004 7,948 Today Max The Chaos TL

Grey Wolf January 1st, 2004 6,177



These people have not joined the game and they have over 44049 post or 331 hexs just for these 6 people

[Landshark]

I am killing the next person who hasn't served in the USMC who posts the entire map.

[SionEwig]

Matt,

Here is my claim, fix it up, make it look better, do what you want.

The Semi-Autonomous District of East Othistan (or whatever Oth ends up calling his :D ).

EDIT- Claim Dropped in favor of DuQuesne (or however he spells his name)

[Matt]

Updated again.

[Aozhouhuaren]

I see the Strahia up there, but since he's banned, who will play Straha and take part in all of the discussions?

[Matt]

Anyone else thing this looks like a Civ game in progress?

[Ran Exilis]

It's just a detail, but it looks like that there is just a tiny little flaw in the map...

[Othniel]

Anyone else thing this looks like a Civ game in progress?
Except in Civ games you don't show the whole world and new civs don't appear out of nowhere...:p

[Leej]

Whilst we're nit picking: a river runs through one of my hexes and the land east of the river was missed out.
Also...Can't I have at least one ice island? :(

[Jared]

Anyone else thing this looks like a Civ game in progress?

"We will not sit idly by while you plunder the world's resources. Prepare for WAR!"

Something along those lines...?

[birdy]

Which is what I'm saying is silly.

works for me:p :D

[Locke]

Telegraph to Nomadic Sky:

Due to your close proximity to my island-nation of Thalassa (in the pink), would you beinterested in a trade/military alliance? We do produce lots of excess food!

[NomadicSky]

Telegraph to Nomadic Sky:

Due to your close proximity to my island-nation of Thalassa (in the pink), would you beinterested in a trade/military alliance? We do produce lots of excess food!

Yes I'd be interested in an alliance. We'll talk more once I get my nation more established.

Can anyone tell me how big my claim area is? Also is it ok for me to claim that area?

[TimKeck84]

Once again I have questions.
1. Why are we doing this? Out of boredom? or are we going to have a real new world to play in?

2. If we're actually doing this, how do we do this?

3. When do we start?


4. General question....WTF is going on with the whole idea?

Somebody's gotta ask,
Tim

[SionEwig]

Yes I'd be interested in an alliance. We'll talk more once I get my nation more established.

Can anyone tell me how big my claim area is? Also is it ok for me to claim that area?

Yours should be approximately 15.25 hexes.

And if I am looking right at the colors, your claim is mostly on the big continent south of the Black area of Straha and a bit to the west on the island with Oth, Matt, and me, correct? If that is it, then you're way too big.

Is this yours in the brown/tan color?

[Jared]

Telegraph to Nomadic Sky:

Due to your close proximity to my island-nation of Thalassa (in the pink), would you beinterested in a trade/military alliance? We do produce lots of excess food!

While we're in the process of establishing alliances... my nation (the green islands in the middle of the inland sea) is also firmly committed to peace and, especially, lots of good commercial contacts. It also has a relatively strong navy for its size, which helps with defending islands and allows other nations (yes, you, NomadicSky) to concentrate more of their power on building a defensive army, too.

[NomadicSky]

Yours should be approximately 15.25 hexes.

And if I am looking right at the colors, your claim is mostly on the big continent south of the Black area of Straha and a bit to the west on the island with Oth, Matt, and me, correct? If that is it, then you're way too big.

Is this yours in the brown/tan color?

Yeah that's mine I'm going to call it Nova Vinnlandia from the climate map it has a climate about like that of New England but in the southern hemisphere so it'll have reversed seasons. Am I right about that?

[SionEwig]

Yeah that's mine I'm going to call it Nova Vinnlandia from the climate map it has a climate about like that of New England but in the southern hemisphere so it'll have reversed seasons. Am I right about that?

Yeah, reversed seasons. As to the climate, Jared (I think) was saying something about them in the main thread and did have some comments on it for the Island there, should be of some help to you.

You should still be cutting your land down by a lot, rough count is you have about 30 hexes there.

[NomadicSky]

Yeah, reversed seasons. As to the climate, Jared (I think) was saying something about them in the main thread and did have some comments on it for the Island there, should be of some help to you.

You should still be cutting your land down by a lot, rough count is you have about 30 hexes there.

Did I miss something? Do I have to many? Is there a set amount that I can have? If I can have that area I want to keep it I'll just have rural country. Lots of land not so many people I like living in a place like that.

[SionEwig]

Did I miss something? Do I have to many? Is there a set amount that I can have? If I can have that area I want to keep it I'll just have rural country. Lots of land not so many people I like living in a place like that.

See post #61

You get 1 hex for every 133 posts (actually .5 sq. km. per population but that reduces to right at the 133post/hex number). So you would get 15.25 hexes. You've claimed about 30 hexes (use the partial hexes as the approximate % of land they have). Each hex is 66510.75 sq. km.

[Locke]

While we're in the process of establishing alliances... my nation (the green islands in the middle of the inland sea) is also firmly committed to peace and, especially, lots of good commercial contacts. It also has a relatively strong navy for its size, which helps with defending islands and allows other nations (yes, you, NomadicSky) to concentrate more of their power on building a defensive army, too.

I would be interested in such an alliance with you as well, Jared. We could make the Bay our little lake!

[Yoshi]

I would like to claim this hex of land. I was referred by Zarth.

[Thande]

My claim (79 hexes). I'm not actually playing, but Glen insisted. :rolleyes:

Apologies for gif crappiness

[Landshark]

My claim (79 hexes). I'm not actually playing, but Glen insisted. :rolleyes:

Apologies for gif crappiness

While I will accept your apologies I will also be declaring war on you as you've gone and claimed territory the Glorious Landsharkian Reich was planning to put it's towel on as lounge!


Er, sitting room, what's the word, lederhosen?

[Locke]

Errrr,
Hooever is the official map person, could we get a full map now showing current nations so far?

[SionEwig]

Errrr,
Hooever is the official map person, could we get a full map now showing current nations so far?

That happens to be Matt and he is probably sleeping off an all nighter getting papers ready to hand in for class. Or alternately he's celebrating having handed in said papers.:D So hold your horses, he'll get to it.

[Locke]

Okay, Im gettting tired of saying it, but:

We REALLY need to name these continents and the larger landmasses/islands/archipelagos.
Glen or Matt need to come to a consensus on what to call them. Its dificult to tell where everyone is.

[SionEwig]

Okay, Im gettting tired of saying it, but:

We REALLY need to name these continents and the larger landmasses/islands/archipelagos.
Glen or Matt need to come to a consensus on what to call them. Its dificult to tell where everyone is.

Then quit saying it. Develop some patience. Or name them yourself and Glen will probably say "thank you."

[Glen]

My claim (79 hexes). I'm not actually playing, but Glen insisted. :rolleyes:

Apologies for gif crappiness

Hey, you could have just left it all up to us...muhahahahaha....:eek:

[Glen]

Because Locke kept buggin'....

[Jared]

4. General question....WTF is going on with the whole idea?

Because it seemed like a good idea at the time, basically.

AH.com: Where You Don't Need A Reason.

[Jared]

I would be interested in such an alliance with you as well, Jared. We could make the Bay our little lake!

Sounds like a plan. Let the trading begin.

Oh, and Thandeshire looks like it's now appeared around the Bay too. Time to put the diplomatic corps to work again!

[Grey Wolf]

I am really rather confused !

Best Regards
Grey Wolf

[Jared]

I am really rather confused !

If you think this thread is confusing, try reading the 34-page (so far) main thread, then you'll be de-fused.

[Aozhouhuaren]

The naming of the continents are done but how about the major water bodies such as oceans, seas, rivers, inland seas and large lakes.

[Jared]

The naming of the continents are done but how about the major water bodies such as oceans, seas, rivers, inland seas and large lakes.

For the big inland sea in the continent I'm on (Terra Magna, according to the recent map), I propose the name Mare Nostrum, meaning "Our Sea". Makes sense for an inland sea, and was also one of the old Latin names for the Mediterranean.

[Landshark]

Lizards End!

Who name's a continent after a reptile's arse!

[Jared]

Lizards End!

Who name's a continent after a reptile's arse!

Someone wearing a turtleneck sweater?

[Max Sinister]

I'm not sure yet whether I'll join the game, but I made my claim. It's the big blue area next to Straha's one (I guess it's Straha's - those colors are so similar... we should make things more clear by adding small signs, as I added M for mine). I'll think up details for my country later.

[Grey Wolf]

I don't envy the people who are going to end with THESE islands !

Grey Wolf

[Grey Wolf]

OK, I don't know if this works or makes ANY sense at all but if I have 46 hexes and halves count as halves, then I THINK this is about right. I've decided I'LL be the person to have those islands I don't envy the person owning !

Grey Wolf

[Grey Wolf]

I might want to close up to Max's blue bit if I've enough spare half hexes left or what have you ! That would make more sense rather than leave a small borderland between us

Grey Wolf

[Max Sinister]

Why? Don't forget that a good part of the world is made up by some thousand n00b nations. They could fit in there.

[Imajin]

Because Locke kept buggin'....
I demand a new name :p

[Alexo]

http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t99/DrunkenPoliceGod/untitled.png

I'd like to claim the hex in the middle of the red area (the one with the river and mountains)

[Ran Exilis]

I'd like to claim the hex in the middle of the red area (the one with the river and mountains)

You mean this one?

[Alexo]

You mean this one?

Yes, that one.

[Locke]

OK, I don't know if this works or makes ANY sense at all but if I have 46 hexes and halves count as halves, then I THINK this is about right. I've decided I'LL be the person to have those islands I don't envy the person owning !

Grey Wolf

Curse you Grey Wolf! I was planning to add those islands to my nation or let some very new n00bs claim them so they could be added to the land of the Republic of Thalassa! Aww, well. Would you be interested in a trade alliance anyway? That would make Nomadic Sky, Jared, you, and me potential allies.

[Jared]

I don't envy the people who are going to end with THESE islands!

They look quite useful to me; handy for smaller nations to have an island or two. Also, since they look mostly mountainous, the mining should be fairly good in those regions, too.

[Jared]

We have a nation for Straha, but are there any of the other Fallen who would make good NPC nations?

M*k* C*ll*ns might make a good candidate, although he only has 259 official posts. Maybe we could lump in all his sock puppets into a single nation called the Hydra Republic, or something.

[Jared]

Curse you Grey Wolf! I was planning to add those islands to my nation or let some very new n00bs claim them so they could be added to the land of the Republic of Thalassa! Aww, well. Would you be interested in a trade alliance anyway? That would make Nomadic Sky, Jared, you, and me potential allies.

The nations by the sea, united! Given that Strahia is sitting on the inland of Grey Wolf, too, an alliance could be quite handy for all concerned, I think.

[Locke]

We need a cool name. Perhaps the Quadruple Alliance? Or the Bay Magnus Alliance? Only the cool people with borders on the bay are allowed!

[Jared]

We need a cool name. Perhaps the Quadruple Alliance? Or the Bay Magnus Alliance? Only the cool people with borders on the bay are allowed!

My nation is already called the Alliance, which could make for some entertaining confusion. Maybe some version of "Pact", like the Warsaw Pact only not.

[Locke]

To those of you who ahve read the works of Orson Scott Card:

Jared:

Ive got an idea:

Its called the Locke Proposal.

Jk.:D

[Locke]

The Mare Nostrum Pact?

Mare Nostrum is the name of our bay.

BTW, when is Nomadic SKy going to edit his nation? Its a bit big.

[Leej]

We have a nation for Straha, but are there any of the other Fallen who would make good NPC nations?

M*k* C*ll*ns might make a good candidate, although he only has 259 official posts. Maybe we could lump in all his sock puppets into a single nation called the Hydra Republic, or something.

Radical neutral had a lot of posts didn't he?

Then there was that weird guy who posted all the nutty polls all the time (name escapes me)

[Max Sinister]

r_n was very active, but since he mostly started threads without writing long TLs, I guess the posts/thread ratio is very low. It's less than 500, actually.

And you mean HelloLegend.

[TimKeck84]

All of these alliances going down and nobody even asks me about my little country.

[Imajin]

No one's asking me about my country, and I'm a major power in size... of course, politically we're a mess and completely unstable, but hey...

[Landshark]

No one's asking me about my country, and I'm a major power in size... of course, politically we're a mess and completely unstable, but hey...

Here, put on this Vladimir Putin costume and try to look Slavic.

[Alexo]

No one's asking me about my country, and I'm a major power in size... of course, politically we're a mess and completely unstable, but hey...

I'll gladly extend an alliance to you (or more likely some sort of protectorate status), as we share a continent and I'll need to import a lot of stuff from you any way. I'll take whatever military aid you're willing to offer at least.

[Imajin]

I'll gladly extend an alliance to you (or more likely some sort of protectorate status), as we share a continent and I'll need to import a lot of stuff from you any way. I'll take whatever military aid you're willing to offer at least.
Well, considering that the new government has slashed the military, I think you'll find that we have some excess to sell... probably outdated stuff though, early to mid 1920s.

Does your nation have a coastline? If not, it'll probably end up pretty isolated from trade with my nation, though I suppose it depends on what's on the mountainous isthmus itself.

[Psychomeltdown]

psychomeltdown will gladly extend his generous hand to whatever nation that wishes to protest the continual economic domination by super sized industrial nations who's sole purpose is to make us their consuming slaves and hold our nations down so that they can remain in power.

Who wishes to live in a world free from the tyranny of capitalistic states wishing to turn the world into their slaves?

[Locke]

Memebers of the Mare Nostrum Treaty Organization (MNTO):

Locke
Jared
Nomadic Sky

Possible Future Members:

Grey Wolf?
TimKeck84?

[NomadicSky]

I edited down my nation.

And Locke haven't signed anything I said that I'd be interested I'm not going to sign anything untill I know terms of your treaty.

[TimKeck84]

It would depend on terms of trade and defense etc. Give a proposal.

[DuQuense]

I think this was unclaimed --at least on the main Map I have 60 hexs

Islands in dark gray

[Jared]

To those of you who ahve read the works of Orson Scott Card:

Jared:

Ive got an idea:

Its called the Locke Proposal.

Jk.:D

Probably make more sense if I'd read Orson Scott Card. :(

[Jared]

The Mare Nostrum Pact?

Mare Nostrum is the name of our bay.

Makes sense. Although it's more of a sea than a bay. Think of the Mediterranean, only a lot bigger.

[Jared]

Radical neutral had a lot of posts didn't he?

492. More than M*k* C*ll*ins, but not exactly a big nation, either.

Then there was that weird guy who posted all the nutty polls all the time (name escapes me)

Presuming you mean HelloLegend, he has 1514 posts. A nation of roughly 1.5 million people is a decent size in this world, so why not put him in? A NPC nation where the whole of the population has to vote in a referendum before they can do anything at all sounds kind of fun...

[Jared]

All of these alliances going down and nobody even asks me about my little country.


Don't worry too much. Only a couple of people have started discussing things. It's all pretty preliminary since so many things need to be fleshed out before the game starts.

[Jared]

No one's asking me about my country, and I'm a major power in size... of course, politically we're a mess and completely unstable, but hey...

Hey'd, I'd suggest something, but you're on the opposite side of the world. Settle for benign indifference and the occasional friendly comercial contact?

[Jared]

And Locke haven't signed anything I said that I'd be interested I'm not going to sign anything untill I know terms of your treaty.

It would depend on terms of trade and defense etc. Give a proposal.


I'd suggest that at this stage just think in terms of "probably interested". Drafting a full treaty would be hard until we know how all the economics and everything else is going to work.

In general terms, though, expect to do trade deals and have a defensive (but not offensive) alliance. Sound promising?

[DuQuense]

Edit to Claim [bunched up those Islands]

[Grey Wolf]

Curse you Grey Wolf! I was planning to add those islands to my nation or let some very new n00bs claim them so they could be added to the land of the Republic of Thalassa! Aww, well. Would you be interested in a trade alliance anyway? That would make Nomadic Sky, Jared, you, and me potential allies.

Er sure, you can have an alliance :) That makes my islands more secure

I haven't got a name for the country yet, though I think I will ask Ward to do the economic post for me because I haven't got a head for figures these days, my brain gets too easily confused !

Could someone post a map of the area that includes my nation and Max's as well as what was on the map that I used ? I'm getting a bit befuddled about where everything is

Oh, call my nation Zusodan, I once did a major piece of work on that but its all lost now

Best Regards
Grey Wolf

[Ran Exilis]

I'll gladly extend an alliance to you (or more likely some sort of protectorate status), as we share a continent and I'll need to import a lot of stuff from you any way. I'll take whatever military aid you're willing to offer at least.

Well, considering that the new government has slashed the military, I think you'll find that we have some excess to sell... probably outdated stuff though, early to mid 1920s.

Does your nation have a coastline? If not, it'll probably end up pretty isolated from trade with my nation, though I suppose it depends on what's on the mountainous isthmus itself.

You know, since my nation is on the same continent, the three of us could form an alliance.
That would solve the little problem of Alexo's nation being isolated from Imajinistan as well.

[Grey Wolf]

The nations by the sea, united! Given that Strahia is sitting on the inland of Grey Wolf, too, an alliance could be quite handy for all concerned, I think.

Do we do something with alliances ? I mean does it cost anything :) ? I tried to understand the economics of trade per points or something, but its gone over my head !

btw if you want a military aspect to the alliance, feel free. My armed forces is intended to consist of (roughly) :-

Border Rangers - cavalry with a focus North and South
Key forts with garrison troops - with an inland focus, plus one in the islands
An Elite Guard for the Emperor in the capital (equivalent of Skorzeny's Commando)
A Secret State Police of a paramilitary nature and probably equivalent to reserve army
A tank regiment based in the capital

The navy will be based around heavy cruisers and (presuming their cost is reduced from that of aircraft carriers) seaplane carriers, supported by light cruisers, destroyers and submarines which are based in concrete pens.

The military airforce is mostly single-engined fighters, either seaplanes or land-based, with strips at the mainland cities and across the islands. I want a civilian airfleet of disarmed (but re-armable) 2-engined bombers.

I'm still trying to get my head around the rest ;)

Best Regards

[Max Sinister]

Why cost? Alliances shouldn't cost anything. Custom unions even should bring in money, indirectly.

[Othniel]

Edit to Claim [bunched up those Islands]
http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showpost.php?p=1074313&postcount=49

Alls I'm going to say is its already claimed...

[SionEwig]

http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showpost.php?p=1074313&postcount=49

Alls I'm going to say is its already claimed...

Thank you Oth, hadn't looked at the Claims thread this morning.

Edit to Claim [bunched up those Islands]

Yes, please look at the post Oth linked. Much of that is already
claimed. Now if your folks wish to visit as tourists...:D

[NomadicSky]

What's the name of this planet? And the continents?
Can we call the planet Terra Nova?

[Jared]

Do we do something with alliances ? I mean does it cost anything :) ?

No, doesn't cost anything as far as I know. Just a nice defensive measure.

I tried to understand the economics of trade per points or something, but its gone over my head !

We're still fleshing out the details, but basically more trade = good.

[Jared]

What's the name of this planet? And the continents?
Can we call the planet Terra Nova?

The continents have been named on one of the maps in the Claim thread. The planet, as far as I know, doesn't have a name.

[SionEwig]

What's the name of this planet? And the continents?
Can we call the planet Terra Nova?

See Post #76 in this thread.

Name of the planet? I vote for AH.

[LightInfa]

The continents have been named on one of the maps in the Claim thread. The planet, as far as I know, doesn't have a name.

I just call the planet the AH.com Planet.

[Jared]

Why cost? Alliances shouldn't cost anything. Custom unions even should bring in money, indirectly.

I think the economics system is designed to do that by increasing GDP with foreign trade; if not, we should probably rejig it.

[Jared]

I just call the planet the AH.com Planet.

Terra Nova has a certain ring to it, although we could also go with ASBia.

[Ward]

I think the economics system is designed to do that by increasing GDP with foreign trade; if not, we should probably rejig it.

Thats what it is set up for :D

[SionEwig]

Matt,

Here is my claim, fix it up, make it look better, do what you want.

The Semi-Autonomous District of East Othistan (or whatever Oth ends up calling his :D ).

Edit to Claim [bunched up those Islands]

I think this was unclaimed --at least on the main Map I have 60 hexs

Islands in dark gray

I'm going to let DuQuense have precidence in the claim. After a new, up to date Claims map is up I'll choose something else.

[Grey Wolf]

I just call the planet the AH.com Planet.

Is that Aie-Aich as a name then ? ;)

Grey Wolf

[Jared]

Is that Aie-Aich as a name then ? ;)

The h is silent, as in hour. It's the ay-dot-com planet. :p

[Psychomeltdown]

so is there a fully map yet? Cuz I wanna know where to invade when the game starts. :D

[Locke]

Yes, Id like that too.

Looks like this thread is all but forgotten now.:(

[Glen]

Matt's AWOL, need another volunteer to update the map.

[Locke]

Well, it appears that Matt is back-I hope he gets staretd ASAP.

[Glen]

Well, it appears that Matt is back-I hope he gets staretd ASAP.

He's just moved, give him a bit, eh?

[Glen]

My suggestion for Ianland:

[Locke]

Does Ian even want to play?

[Glen]

Does Ian even want to play?

Not really the point. We need our biggest and most famous members to at least have nations in their honor.

[Douglas]

I'm in, with the Empire of Aenon.

Me = The purple parked next to those crazies of Grey Wolf.

[Jared]

He's just moved, give him a bit, eh?

I agree... after having moving, he should have at least an hour off. Maybe even two. :p

[Jared]

I'm in, with the Empire of Aenon.

Me = The purple parked next to those crazies of Grey Wolf.

Welcome to the game. Two things you should know:

NomadicSky's nation has, I believe, been edited down since that version of the map, the original claim was too large. There may be some vacant land there. I'm hoping that we can use what he posted so far and continue his nation as an NPC one, but we'll see...

And the Mare Nostrum Treaty Organisation (Mare Nostrum being that big inland sea) is formulating its charter about alliances, trade pacts and so forth. Drop me a PM if you want to be included in the discussion...

[Grey Wolf]

I'm in, with the Empire of Aenon.

Me = The purple parked next to those crazies of Grey Wolf.

Oo, a new neighbour :)

With regard to NomadicSky's NPC orange nation, can it be accepted that even if he does not OWN the land up to my border he DOMINATES it ? I've built two forts on the Southern border on this basis, and am very loathe to change my entire military ALL OVER AGAIN !

Of course, I am now completely open to attack by the Empire of Aenon, but I suppose one can butterfly that away by saying you've just annexed the hexes adjacent to mine and converted what was empty borderland into an integral part of your empire... So my first move is going to be to try to quickly build some aspect of the military to defend against you in case you go further, as I rather think my Border Rangers cavalry, perfect for empty borderlands, is going to be outclassed by you

Best Regards
Grey Wolf

[Grey Wolf]

This is the mainland part of the Empire, i.e. everything but Palmares province which is the islands.

As luck would have it, the South-West didn't fit on an A4 scan, so the new existence there of the Empire of Aenon doesn't muck up my map.

I still like the 'idea' that Aenon has only recently acquired/annexed the land immediately adjacent to my empire; that way it suddenly becoming a defence priority of mine makes 'sense' in a game narrative way.

Best Regards
Grey Wolf

[SionEwig]

Oo, a new neighbour :)

With regard to NomadicSky's NPC orange nation, can it be accepted that even if he does not OWN the land up to my border he DOMINATES it ? I've built two forts on the Southern border on this basis, and am very loathe to change my entire military ALL OVER AGAIN !

Of course, I am now completely open to attack by the Empire of Aenon, but I suppose one can butterfly that away by saying you've just annexed the hexes adjacent to mine and converted what was empty borderland into an integral part of your empire... So my first move is going to be to try to quickly build some aspect of the military to defend against you in case you go further, as I rather think my Border Rangers cavalry, perfect for empty borderlands, is going to be outclassed by you

Best Regards
Grey Wolf

Grey,

See post #111 in this thread for how Nomadic Sky adjusted his claim.

[Grey Wolf]

Grey,

See post #111 in this thread for how Nomadic Sky adjusted his claim.

That's OK, I saw it - I'm just saying I want the borderland between his nation and mine to be under his dominion, the tribes there or whatever swearing allegiance to his empire.

Otherwise I don't know what the Hell I'm doing with 2 forts on the Southern border...

I would just like this to start, really, so that I know that what's what IS finally what, and I don't constantly have to redo things. Not annoyed, just tired really. I have enthusiasm for this at the moment, but if its all taken up with buggering around changing everything all over again, its definitely going to wane.

Best Regards
Grey Wolf

[Matt]

Okay, I'm going to have to back out of my map making commitments for now. A friend of mine is in the hospital right now on top of this whole moving thing so I've shifted priorities.

[Glen]

Okay, I'm going to have to back out of my map making commitments for now. A friend of mine is in the hospital right now on top of this whole moving thing so I've shifted priorities.


Understood. We'll take it from here.

[Douglas]

Grey Wolf:

I'm ok with Aenon having just recently seized control over the lands that border Zusodan.

[Jared]

On another note, has it been decided what to do with the areas which are unclaimed? There's a few NPC nations around, and we could probably stand to add a few more. But large chunks of the place will still be empty. Does this mean that they're completely empty? Or are there still some people around - barbarians, presumably - which the ASBs have also dropped down?

[Landshark]

I had a go at redoing the map myself earlier but that bloody map screwed up my computer again!

What the hell is wrong with the damn thing?

[Locke]

Since when is Nomadic Sky out of the game?

[Grimm Reaper]

How can I color some territory to serve as the core of my nation?

[Jared]

Since when is Nomadic Sky out of the game?

He posted yesterday afternoon in the main thread that he didn't have the time to play. I'm hoping to continue his nation as an NPC, but we'll see.

[Glen]

He posted yesterday afternoon in the main thread that he didn't have the time to play. I'm hoping to continue his nation as an NPC, but we'll see.

All nations will continue, as NPC is fine. He's in good company....

[Landshark]

How can I color some territory to serve as the core of my nation?

You copy the map, colour the hexes you want for your country, (don't worry about what colour as whoever does the map will change it so it doesn't get mixed up with anyone else's), then post the section not the whole map that your nation is surrounded by.

[SionEwig]

I'm working on the claims map, it's just going to take a bit cause I'm still learning the program. So please be patient :) (to some of you that means hold you horses and don't get you panties in a knot if I don't have it done to your schedule - you know how you are:D ).

[Landshark]

I'm working on the claims map, it's just going to take a bit cause I'm still learning the program.

It's Paint!?!:confused:

[Ran Exilis]

I'm working on the claims map, it's just going to take a bit cause I'm still learning the program. So please be patient :) (to some of you that means hold you horses and don't get you panties in a knot if I don't have it done to your schedule - you know how you are:D ).

Waaaaaaaaayyy ahead of you, pal! ;)

[Landshark]

You need to change the colour of Max's claim. From some angles it looks black.

[Ran Exilis]

There, changed it.

Better now?

[SionEwig]

Waaaaaaaaayyy ahead of you, pal! ;)

Excellent! One small thing though, look at post #111, Nomadic Sky adjusted his claim way down and what you have shows his original claim.

Otherwise fantastic job, when you get Nomadics changed, then I can easily do a little something with it to make the game easier.

[Landshark]

There, changed it.

Better now?

Yes, thanks.

[Ran Exilis]

Allright, I've worked in NomadicSky's reduced claim as well...

Just one minor question though: did NomadicSky also give up that little bit of Australasia that he originally claimed?

[SionEwig]

Allright, I've worked in NomadicSky's reduced claim as well...

Just one minor question, though: did NomadicSky also give up that little bit of Australasia that he originally claimed?

Thank you very much, I feel horrible being nitpicky since you saved me hours of work.

But yes, he did give up that little part of Australasia also.

[Ran Exilis]

Thank you very much, I feel horrible being nitpicky since you saved me hours of work.

Oh, being a little nitpicky is not a problem.

I'm trying to make an accurate map here, so any constructive criticism is welcome. :)

But yes, he did give up that little part of Australasia also.

OK, I fixed that too.

..
By the way, I also took the liberty of enhancing DuQuense's claim a bit,
since the map with his original claim was just a little too spotty to work with.

I hope no-one minds...

[SionEwig]

Oh, being a little nitpicky is not a problem.

I'm trying to make an accurate map here, so any constructive criticism is welcome. :)



OK, I fixed that too.

..
By the way, I also took the liberty of enhancing DuQuense's claim a bit,
since the map with his original claim was just a little too spotty to work with.

I hope no-one minds...

Looks Great:)

[Aozhouhuaren]

I know more people will probably end up participating, yet there is so much land, colonisation sort of seems inevitable, I mean 50-60% (from the looks of it) of the AH.com earth is still empty.

[Psychomeltdown]

I know more people will probably end up participating, yet there is so much land, colonisation sort of seems inevitable, I mean 50-60% (from the looks of it) of the AH.com earth is still empty.

why colonize when you can take the already plowed, built upon, and ready to live in homes and cities of the people you vanquished? :confused:

[Glen]

Waaaaaaaaayyy ahead of you, pal! ;)

Added an NPC nation for Wendell, since he's not been sited for a while and did not answer his PMs.

[Glen]

Added an NPC nation for Wendell, since he's not been sited for a while and did not answer his PMs.

BTW, I think it shall be called the Republitarian Nation of Wendell.:D

[Alexo]

I know I only get one hex, but would it be ok to extend my nation a bit to the south and west so I can have a coastline and port for trade? You can take some land off the northeastern half to compensate.

[Glen]

Waaaaaaaaayyy ahead of you, pal! ;)

Added the nation of Perdition (perdedor99) to the map in the above post.

[Ward]

I need to know who I still need to build nations for .

[Glen]

I need to know who I still need to build nations for .

Me me me!:D

[Ward]

Me me me!:D

Glen I sent you one to look at
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Glen here is a idea for your country

13,800 post x5 = 69,000 points to spend

GNP 13,800
mineing 7,000 points =14,000 mineing points . 200 extra
Farming 6,900 points = 13,800 food points
industry 7,000 points = 14,000 industral points , 200 extra

Research 400 points = 40 points a mo 20 more then you need

Total spent 35,100

Merchant ships
300 x merchant ships at 20 points each = 6,000 points
100 x tankers ships at 25 points each =2,500 points
10x liners cost 400 each = 4,000 points.
Spent = 12,500 points
Total spent = 37,600 points

Army
2500,000 men in a res army = 2,500 points
456 Arty guns cost =4,560 points
150 Tanks = 3,000 points
spent on army =10,060
Total spent = 47,660

Airforce
200 one eng aircraft =2,000 points
60 two eng aircrat = 900 points
36 three eng aircraft =720points
spent on airforce = 3,620
total spent = 51,280

Navy
2 x CV with 33 aircraft each= 3,980
2x 1914-1918 BB cost 4,000
5x CA = 2500
11x CL over 6,000 tons =4,400
80x DD cost 2,000
30x Subs cost 750
18 x MTB cost =90
spent =17,720
total spent 69,000

Fine.


so what do you want me to change for you

[Jared]

I know more people will probably end up participating, yet there is so much land, colonisation sort of seems inevitable, I mean 50-60% (from the looks of it) of the AH.com earth is still empty.

We can either fill it with plenty of NPC nations (Dr Whatiana, anyone?), or just say that it's full of barbarians. At least then you have to fight for it...

[Max Sinister]

We should set a rational limit. The top 50 or 100 posters (or at least the most interesting of them) as NPC nations, the rest are barbarians.

[Jared]

We should set a rational limit. The top 50 or 100 posters (or at least the most interesting of them) as NPC nations, the rest are barbarians.

Even 50 may be too many... someone has to run them, after all, unless they're just cannon fodder for invasions by the player nations.

Say, 20-30 tops? We already have a few NPC nations - Strahia, NomadicSky's nation, Thande's nation, Wendell's nation, Ianland - and a few more would round it out nicely. They don't all need to be mega-nations, either, since some of the player nations are quite, quite small.

[Ran Exilis]

Added the nation of Perdition (perdedor99) to the map in the above post.

I assume that this is an NPC nation?

[Glen]

Yes, p99's is an NPC nation at this time.

The top posters should have discrete nations, as should the most colorful.

We take the rest of them, and we put them in a circumscribed area that's big enough to hold them, but without distinguishing every single nation within it.

We can either fill it with plenty of NPC nations (Dr Whatiana, anyone?), or just say that it's full of barbarians. At least then you have to fight for it...

We should set a rational limit. The top 50 or 100 posters (or at least the most interesting of them) as NPC nations, the rest are barbarians.

Even 50 may be too many... someone has to run them, after all, unless they're just cannon fodder for invasions by the player nations.

Say, 20-30 tops? We already have a few NPC nations - Strahia, NomadicSky's nation, Thande's nation, Wendell's nation, Ianland - and a few more would round it out nicely. They don't all need to be mega-nations, either, since some of the player nations are quite, quite small.

I assume that this is an NPC nation?

[Jomazi]

This seems kinda cool!

Claimed the tiny island of Mazia, whose captial "Jom" was founded 179y BP upon the exile of the people from the holy island, which I belive Yoshi now controls, to the peoples dismay.

The people of Mazia are known for their temperament (or, their lack of temperament, reflecting my own high kick/post ratio), their scientific knowledge and their fanatic nationalism.

Mazia is a Israel-type nation in many aspects, though the language is said to "make Afrikans sound like Sindarin". The ruling class in this stratified society are known to refuse eating anything but meat and never drink alcoholic beverages.

Population density is comparatively high due to developed fishing, irrigation and industrially produced synthetic fertilizer.

[Ran Exilis]

Even 50 may be too many... someone has to run them, after all, unless they're just cannon fodder for invasions by the player nations.

Say, 20-30 tops? We already have a few NPC nations - Strahia, NomadicSky's nation, Thande's nation, Wendell's nation, Ianland - and a few more would round it out nicely. They don't all need to be mega-nations, either, since some of the player nations are quite, quite small.

I agree with Jared that we should think about the smaller nations too.

Smaller NPC nations will allow more interesting political scenario's, and that would give smaller player nations a good chance of being actively involved in international politics as well.

[Glen]

I agree with Jared that we should think about the smaller nations too.

Smaller NPC nations will allow more interesting political scenario's, and that would give smaller player nations a good chance of being actively involved in international politics as well.

I'm going to work on the 'Big' NPC nations for placement. I open it up to others to put small NPC nations on the map. My rules for this for today.:rolleyes:

To get on the map as an NPC nation for now, must have at least 133 posts (ie one hex). If they are truly small, instead of using up more colors, put a symbol in their hexes (letter, number, wingding, etc)

Banned members are fair game, anyone can add them. Members who have been inactive more than 3 months are also fair game. Others please PM first to see if they want to place their own nations, particularly recent posters. If you get no response in a few days, go ahead.

As ASB, I reserve the right to break/alter these rules at any time for the good of the game.:rolleyes::rolleyes:

[Grey Wolf]

Please don't arbitrarily fill in the borderland between my nation and Max's nor that which exists on my Western border, North of Fenk's Aenon. My defensive strategy rests on having 'unorganised territory' as borderland.

Best Regards
Grey Wolf

[Ward]

Mike Collins January 19th, 2004 259 December 18th, 2006

Fasist state of Collins
The people are ruled by Fear

POP = 259,000
GNP =2,590,000,000
Hexs 1.9
Post count 259 x 5 =1295 points

GNP =259
industry=130
mining = 130
Food =130

total spent = 649

air force
36 one eng aircraft = 360

Army
6,000 men secret police 30 points
5,800 men in the army 116
7 tanks 140

Area marked on the map

[Leej]

Big map:
Can't you mark on those two ice islands for me. They were a pretty big want when I marked off territory (and I'm certain I counted about the right amount then- especially considering I've lost a few hexes where another person is located)

Edit- counting now I only see myself with 34 hexes(ish)...

[Ran Exilis]

I know I only get one hex, but would it be ok to extend my nation a bit to the south and west so I can have a coastline and port for trade? You can take some land off the northeastern half to compensate.

Sure you can have a bit of coastline, but I don't think that it is neccesary to take some of your territory to compensate.

TimKeck84 has a little over 1 hex (IIRC), and yet he only has about 64 posts.

Yet that's appearantly not really a problem, so I don't think that adding a little bit of coastline to your nation should be a problem either...


...but of course, this is still Glen's project, so he should have the final say in this.

[Bulgaroktonos]

Here is my nation.

Circled in red on Majipoor

[SionEwig]

Here is my nation.

Circled in red on Majipoor

Bulg,

You're a bit under what you could have. You should be getting just under 18 hexes, but by my estimation, you have only claimed 12. Count the partial hexes as the approximate % of land they are.

[Jared]

What sort of planet would the AH.com planet be without being graced by the presence of radical_neutural?

So, in the spirit of ambiguity, introducing the Neutural Rebupilic.

Located on the northeastern cape of Australasia, the Neutural Rebupilic is under the confused presidency of His Magesty radical_neutural the Only; celibacy being the requirement for any elected president there. This nation's commerce, military and foreign policy is ambiguous at best; no-one's quite sure what they'll do or why.

I'll get a write-up of this nation done in the Nations & Economics thread a bit later, but basically, it's a small nation with a big-talking leader, who no-one can actually understand.

[Psychomeltdown]

What sort of planet would the AH.com planet be without being graced by the presence of radical_neutural?

Can i invade it? Please? Please?????

[Ward]

Can i invade it? Please? Please?????

Only if I can use it for shore bombment practice .:D

[Jared]

Can i invade it? Please? Please?????

I think invaders will have to form an orderly queue. One reason I placed it there was that so many nations would be near enough to invade. Hell, we might start a war just arguing over who gets the privilege of invading that country...

[Ward]

Will some one please post Weapon M next to Matt :D

[Aozhouhuaren]

Why not have all banned members, inactive members and notorious NPC's to merge together to form one large evil empire called the B.A.N.N.E.D (not sure what that all stands for) Federation ala OTL USSR. That way, theres always an enemy to keep the powerful nations on their toes as well, it will use up some of the empty land, all those white hexs look ugly on the map.

Just a suggestion, thoughts?

[Glen]

Bulg,

You're a bit under what you could have. You should be getting just under 18 hexes, but by my estimation, you have only claimed 12. Count the partial hexes as the approximate % of land they are.

Actually, he should get about 20.

[Glen]

"Fixed" Bulg's nation. Added Weapon M next to Matt (gray with green WM letters inside).

[Jared]

"Fixed" Bulg's nation. Added Weapon M next to Matt (gray with green WM letters inside).

Looks great, but there are a couple of other claims which I don't think are on that map. Alexo wanted to modify his claim a bit. radical_neutural has an NPC nation, and I think there's one for Mike Collins too. Jomazi made a claim for a small nation which I don't see either.

I'd volunteer to add them if I didn't screw up anything graphic-design related every time I try to make it work... :confused:

[Glen]

Looks great, but there are a couple of other claims which I don't think are on that map. Alexo wanted to modify his claim a bit. radical_neutural has an NPC nation, and I think there's one for Mike Collins too. Jomazi made a claim for a small nation which I don't see either.

I'd volunteer to add them if I didn't screw up anything graphic-design related every time I try to make it work... :confused:

Due to time contraints, I haven't incorporated everyone's stuff yet. Hopefully Ran will pick up the slack.

[Ran Exilis]

Due to time contraints, I haven't incorporated everyone's stuff yet. Hopefully Ran will pick up the slack.

Sure, I'll update the map. No problem.

[Ran Exilis]

Allright, here's the updated map.

[Aozhouhuaren]

Heres an idea, I wasn't bothered to do any real calculations but I assume it would also include the nations of the one dayers and members whose last activity was a very long while ago.

I basically was always awed by the claim of Russia that it was so large that it was morning on one side and night on the other. And since the B.A.N.N.E.D Federation should be an evil Empire, it should also be humungous.

http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t99/DrunkenPoliceGod/Claims_Raw.png

[birdy]

i like that:D

[Aozhouhuaren]

i like that:D

Thanks!:D

You can nearly fit all the major players in the Commonwealth!:eek:

[Glen]

No Confederation of the BANNED, especially not an uncalculated, ginourmous one like that.

[Aozhouhuaren]

No Confederation of the BANNED, especially not an uncalculated, ginourmous one like that.

Why not? :(:(:confused::confused::confused:

You already have banned members in the game.

[The_Leader]

Because its a bad idea and Glen said so:p

The Glen has spoken,Never question Then Glen

[Ran Exilis]

Why not? :(:(:confused::confused::confused:

You already have banned members in the game.

I agree with Glen here, and not just because I *really don't like* a Confederation of the Banned superpower empire.

Just think of what the presence of a nation like this does to the balance of power in this world; just about every other nation in the world - and particularly those on Terra Magna - will be forced to stick together in a makeshift alliance againest this evil empire that is constantly threatening to take over the world.

And that *really* restricts the freedom of the player nations' international politics - instead of getting a half-decent chance to make treaties and alliances and gang up upon weaker nations, we'll all either be caught up in a cold war with the evil empire, or we will all just be fighting for our lives againest it.

[Aozhouhuaren]

I agree with Glen here, and not just because I *really don't like* a Confederation of the Banned superpower empire.

Just think of what the presence of a nation like this does to the balance of power in this world; just about every other nation in the world - and particularly those on Terra Magna - will be forced to stick together in a makeshift alliance againest this evil empire that is constantly threatening to take over the world.

And that *really* restricts the freedom of the player nations' international politics - instead of getting a half-decent chance to make treaties and alliances and gang up upon weaker nations, we'll all either be caught up in a cold war with the evil empire, or we will all just be fighting for our lives againest it.

Wow, sounds just like our world.:D:D:D

I was thinking about the internation geo-political balance and I agree with you, I was just thinking of an idea of what to do with all the prominent banned members as well as normal banned members.

[Glen]

Because its a bad idea and Glen said so:p

The Glen has spoken,Never question Then Glen

While true, I will give my main objections:

1) More interesting to see major Banned posters represented as nations. Come on, don't you want to see the Mike Collins Federation of Pseudonyms?

2) No giving advantages to NPC nations. They will be part of the game, but by the same criteria everyone else has. So go through the Banned list, post here their post counts, and we can start putting the big ones up on the map.

3) Minor/inactive posters don't deserve to be lumped in with the Banned.

Some of the others mentioned before me are pretty good as well.

[Jared]

Because its a bad idea and Glen said so:p

I agree with Glen on this one, too. For a start, it means that you can toss any idea of international politics out the window for anyone nearby - they have to band together to survive. For another, a random BANNED federation has no particular personality to work with - it's just a generic evil empire.

That said, if you want to create an NPC nation, there's plenty of banned players - and a few high-post count players - left to create nations around. Go for it! :)

[Ran Exilis]

By the way, I had an idea for another NPC nation; how about the Hashemite Republic of Quebecois?

...and one of Hash's sockpuppets, crnagora99, has more than 133 posts as well,
so we could make a nation out of that as well...

[Jared]

By the way, I had an idea for another NPC nation; how about the Hashemite Republic of Quebecois?

...and one of Hash's sockpuppets, crnagora99, has more than 133 posts as well,
so we could make a nation out of that as well...

Put 'em next to each other, and they'd probably fight each other to death and the rest of the world could stop worrying about them. :)

[Ran Exilis]

Put 'em next to each other, and they'd probably fight each other to death and the rest of the world could stop worrying about them. :)

Sounds good, I'll do it!

By the way, there's also TheGrandVizier, Hash's last sockpuppet account, although that account only has 56 posts...

[Zarth]

Sounds good, I'll do it!

By the way, there's also TheGrandVizier, Hash's last sockpuppet account, although that account only has 56 posts...make it a micro-state crammed between the other 2.

[Jared]

make it a micro-state crammed between the other 2.

Three-way war! [Mr Burns voice]Excellent![/Mr Burns voice]

In terms of other NPC nations, why not throw Molobo in there next to them? He only had 192 posts, so about 1.5 hexes somewhere in the same area would go down a treat.

For other nations, Michael E Johnson isn't banned, but given that he hasn't been active for almost two years, his 492 post nation would be appropriate to be thrown in somewhere...

[Ward]

Have pople read the Rules for the game yet let me know what people think of the new rules on tax's please . And also on cost of bases for ships haveing one with ship yard slips and one with out . yes it make's the paper work a little harder to keep track of but this way we are like real nations .

[Landshark]

Why not? :(:(:confused::confused::confused:

You already have banned members in the game.

It's just too damn big. A nation that size would dominate Terra Magna in general and the Mare Magna in particular.

[SionEwig]

Have pople read the Rules for the game yet let me know what people think of the new rules on tax's please . And also on cost of bases for ships haveing one with ship yard slips and one with out . yes it make's the paper work a little harder to keep track of but this way we are like real nations .

Shipyard stuff looks OK, tax stuff should depend on how the people write up the history, government, how their tax structure and such things work. Some places can have a larger tax burden if done right.

[TimKeck84]

I'm posting a revised claim, with (I think) the same amount of land claimed. This is as small as I could make the map.

If there is a problem, let me know. It's in the bottom right. Same color scheme

[Jared]

Shipyard stuff looks OK, tax stuff should depend on how the people write up the history, government, how their tax structure and such things work. Some places can have a larger tax burden if done right.

Hmm, that sounds like leaving a lot of scope for argument. Could work, but there might be all sorts of problems. I think we'd need at least a few more guidelines on what's reasonable and what isn't.

[Jared]

If there is a problem, let me know. It's in the bottom right. Same color scheme

Looks mostly pretty good, but that small island has already been claimed by Jomazi further up the thread. Might I suggest that instead of that, you claim the additional partial hex just above the rest of your claim, since that's roughly the same area but doesn't overlap an existing claim.

[TimKeck84]

Don't worry about It. I'll simply drop the claim to the small island and leave it at what else I have there.

[Leej]

Just noticed how wacky Duquense's nation is (I think its his...and I know its spelt wrong). Its spread everywhere :o

Anyway as I've said I wanted some ice islands, they were missed out originally though I had enough to claim some of them if not the amount I originally marked. Its under a hex up there and as mentioned earlier I have ones to spare:

[SionEwig]

Just noticed how wacky Duquense's nation is (I think its his...and I know its spelt wrong). Its spread everywhere :o


That's how it is spelled (on the map legend), DuQuense.

[SionEwig]

My (new) claim.

[Jared]

Does anyone mind if I modify my claim slightly? I want to get rid of the islands I had claimed down near Lizard's End (circled in red on the lower right of the map) and extend my claim on the mainland of Terra Magna by the extra hex and a bit in red (and circled in red) on the upper right of the map. I do have the hexes to spare; my original claim was a bit under the amount of hexes I could claim, even before I've removed those islands to the south.

[Aozhouhuaren]

Unfortunately or fortunately for some land greedy bastards, unless anyone wants to take the role of Zarth, the nation of Zarthia is no more since he will no longer frequent this forum, so that particular piece of land is now available for anyone who still wants to play.

Unless Glen or SionEwig say otherwise.

[Jared]

Matt has also said he's left, I believe.

Two more NPC nations up for grabs. :(

[Ran Exilis]

I saw Bulgaroktonos saying on Alternia that he's also going to leave this site again because of the events of the past few days.

In other words, it looks like we've got a third NPC nation...

[Leej]

Moving everything first to shared worlds now further into a secondary sub forum seems to have seriously harmed this.

[Aozhouhuaren]

Moving everything first to shared worlds now further into a secondary sub forum seems to have seriously harmed this.

True, even I who was enthusiastic about this game, check it less often now that is has been moved to this section.

[Ward]

I check it every day and still do not know if people understand the rules yet.

[Grey Wolf]

Moving everything first to shared worlds now further into a secondary sub forum seems to have seriously harmed this.

I have trouble finding it ! Before I could open a speculative window and cruise, now I have to hunt, which means I have to know I have the time to look in on it

Best Regards
Grey Wolf

[SionEwig]

Moving everything first to shared worlds now further into a secondary sub forum seems to have seriously harmed this.

First, Shared Worlds is where games are run. Attempting to keep this in the ASB forum would have been quite unfair to the people in that forum as something like this tends to dominate a forum. Also it would have been quite confusing as various threads got mixed in with each other. So AH.com planet was going to move to Shared Worlds.

Now, moving it to a sub-forum like we did. Much of the same thought applies, too many threads edging out anything else. Here the only other stuff is an inactive game, whose threads are (mostly) maked as "(E.I. Game)," and are all closed. The only stuff that will stay at the top of the page is threads for AH.com Planet.

When the threads were moved, redirects were left in place (and still are up for a bit) for the most important threads and they should have easily been enough to let people know that things had been moved.

We also gave people a week to comment on the proposed changes. See this thread, which was stickied so it didn't vanish.

http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=63123

Agentdark and Jared were the only people (aside from the SW Moderators) who bothered to respond. If you (and this applies to everyone) didn't bother to look and respond, well we can't make you do so.

What you are missing is this, moving stuff may have lost a few people, but the biggest thing that has lost people is simply that most were probably not serious about participating on a long term game. This is pretty much what happend with the three ALT games, the PA game, and a good number of ME/MWs. Lots of enthusiasm at the beginning, but quickly fading interest from a number. Plus there were a good number who did make theri claims, and had no intention of going much further than that. In addition, some have been intimidated by the level and complexity of the rules. That is not intended as a criticism at Ward, just a statement.

[Ward]

First, Shared Worlds is where games are run. Attempting to keep this in the ASB forum would have been quite unfair to the people in that forum as something like this tends to dominate a forum. Also it would have been quite confusing as various threads got mixed in with each other. So AH.com planet was going to move to Shared Worlds.

Now, moving it to a sub-forum like we did. Much of the same thought applies, too many threads edging out anything else. Here the only other stuff is an inactive game, whose threads are (mostly) maked as "(E.I. Game)," and are all closed. The only stuff that will stay at the top of the page is threads for AH.com Planet.

When the threads were moved, redirects were left in place (and still are up for a bit) for the most important threads and they should have easily been enough to let people know that things had been moved.

We also gave people a week to comment on the proposed changes. See this thread, which was stickied so it didn't vanish.

http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=63123

Agentdark and Jared were the only people (aside from the SW Moderators) who bothered to respond. If you (and this applies to everyone) didn't bother to look and respond, well we can't make you do so.

What you are missing is this, moving stuff may have lost a few people, but the biggest thing that has lost people is simply that most were probably not serious about participating on a long term game. This is pretty much what happend with the three ALT games, the PA game, and a good number of ME/MWs. Lots of enthusiasm at the beginning, but quickly fading interest from a number. Plus there were a good number who did make theri claims, and had no intention of going much further than that. In addition, some have been intimidated by the level and complexity of the rules. That is not intended as a criticism at Ward, just a statement.

Did I not ask people to write up some economic rules for the Game . No one did so I end up writeing some . And yes they are complex rules but running a country is complex .

[SionEwig]

Did I not ask people to write up some economic rules for the Game . No one did so I end up writeing some . And yes they are complex rules but running a country is complex .

Yes you did Ward, several times. And yes running a country is complex. I clearly said that it was not intended as a criticism at you, just a statement. What it comes down to though, is that some people just don't want to do all that work constantly for a game, and I include myself in that category. Nothing is wrong with the economic and other rules (once a few things were clarified), but I (and I strongly suspect some others) just don't feel like putting in that much time for a game.

Besides, the complexity is just one of the factors behind why there has been a decrease in interest, and not the largest factor.

[Glen]

Unfortunately or fortunately for some land greedy bastards, unless anyone wants to take the role of Zarth, the nation of Zarthia is no more since he will no longer frequent this forum, so that particular piece of land is now available for anyone who still wants to play.

Unless Glen or SionEwig say otherwise.

Leave nations where they are. If people leave, they're NPC.

[Glen]

I'd like someone with too much time on their hands to post a list of the banned with their post counts noted. Most important are the largest ones.

[Ran Exilis]

I'd like someone with too much time on their hands to post a list of the banned with their post counts noted. Most important are the largest ones.

Allright, here they are:
(I excluded all the accounts that had less than 100 posts)

Blaine Hess (Mike Collins sockpuppet) - 105

Dunash - 115

Shope - 138

Roedecker - 149

Emperor Antonine - 173

dittomitto2445 - 185

Molobo - 192

Street_Disciple - 201

monkey - 216

Aldroud - 233

blysas - 234

Kadyet - 239

Jus Pau Hib - 253

joatsimeon@aol.com - 372

Tielhard - 1,359

HelloLegend - 1,514

Brilliantlight - 1,774

Diamond - 3,841

[Ran Exilis]

And here's Hashemite's data:
Hashemite - 241
crnagora99 - 193
TheGrandVizier - 56

But I kept those separate because I have my own plans with them...

[Ran Exilis]

Here it is - the Hashemite Republic of Quebecois (in blue), the state of Crnagora-Montenegro (dark yellow),
and TheGrandVizier's free Hashemite principality (bright yellow).


By the way, I had this idea; why not put several of the banned NPC nations together,
and thus create the banana republics of AH.com world?

[Aozhouhuaren]

Thanks Ran,for taking the time to do the work. This world will be quite exciting with all these new nations around. Will random ideas and discussions about these nations, just come up during the game itself, or will someone actually take on the responsibilty of acting out representatives for these nations, I would, but I didn't know any of these members well enough when they did post and I can't really be bothered reading all their posts to get a general impression.

Also an idea, it may be complicated but should we introduce territorial waters and exclusive economic zone rules? Maybe like real world where IIRC, 25 kms from the shore is the extent of national borders and 250 km from the shore, the extent of territorial waters for overseas territories held.